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  2. Nothing at all boring about these. I can listen to GDC whine all day long . . . What I really should do is play these whilst wrenching in the garage so I can hear it.
  3. I'm not tracking with how this could be a hydraulic master / slave cylinder bleed issue. The default with the clutch lever at rest (out) is for the clutch to be engaged. Air in the system compresses and prevents the clutch rod from applying force to the clutch stack to dis-engage engage the clutch (slip). He's saying the clutch is out and the clutch is slipping, so air in the hydraulics cannot be the problem. If the slave cylinder is maybe partially seized or somehow the master or combination of parts are not allowing the system to release the pressure on the clutch rod, that could be an issue. Since the fluid was nasty when you changed it maybe there are some corroded parts or plugged passages in that could be the source. Since your clutch was slipping before it was serviced, that could warrant further investigation. Just to be clear - I think it's a matter of semantics or language translation, you mentioned clutch "oil". Did you mean hydraulic fluid? The master / slave system requires the correct fluid, an oil is not specified for that application. Once the hydraulics are sorted and known good, then it's probably worth going back over the clutch pack installation. Leaving a disc or steel out of the stack, or getting them out of order could be the problem - I'd be inclined to take it back out and double check your work, comparing to the factory service manual to see that everything is as it should be. I don't believe you mentioned - did you use OEM parts, or aftermarket? If the latter, it would be worth measuring them to be sure they match OEM specs for the components.
  4. In addition, you do not want to find out what the front will do at 150 mph. Every misalignment and tension multiplies with speed.
  5. Nothing to add, completely agree. Yeah, the famous butt dyno! I am in the process to change out relatively new EBC, I guess, pads for OEM. In my opinion, the OEM have better feel when increasing lever force. BTW, I had the experience of too thick pads on my mountain bike brakes few times using aftermarket pads (involved a lot of swearing!) As Bmart said, it is a good idea to flush the brake fluid at the same time when replacing the pads. Back in the day, brake fluid and fork oil change was a mandatory task every spring. Now, since I am "too busy?!" Every 2 years. These are my 2 cents.
  6. I first started riding at 15yo and my motorcycles have included a Honda S80, Honda CB125S, and a Kawasaki H1 triple. I also rode my brother's CB400F and CB1100F. When I first saw the '87 VFR's at the dealer, I didn't feel anything was comparable from a beauty and tech standpoint and was hooked. Bought my first VFR700 in '89 as a repo with 1200 miles from Long Beach Honda for $3000 out the door and it became my main transportation. Unfortunately, I was working on it and had it inside an airplane hangar that caught on fire and it took a number of years to replace all the melted fairings. Luckily, the bones were still good. While restoring that one, I bought my second '87 VFR from a co-worker that had two (his other was candy blue). I finished the restoration of the first and mostly rode the second, but I've taken an unintentional hiatus for almost 10 years (mostly due to raising a family and E10 gas messing up the carbs on both bikes). Recently, I got a bug up my a$$ and decided to get them running again and back on the road to enjoy. After some trials and tribulations they are now running. My original is fully stock and still very clean. The second is a work in progress . . . looks a little rough due to muffler corrosion and I want to update with more mods. Scott Picture of both bikes (about 10 years ago): Original '87 VFR700 (current picture): Second '87 VFR700 (current picture):
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  8. I've heard claims to the contrary, but my experience has been exactly the same as yours, though with other brands. As soon as the offending front tire was changed out, the shimmy disappeared.
  9. Another OEM pad user here as well. While I haven't tried aftermarket pads on the bikes, my guess is that the perception of "more bite" or "feel" from aftermarket pads is similar to the "butt dyno" perception of installing a K&N filter and having more power output. OEM pads were produced to Honda's spec and QC standards as well as engineered to match the rotor material. Those rotors are extremely expensive to replace and OEM pads give satisfactory braking performance while remaining kind to the rotors and not chewing them up. The "heat pad" is more likely there to absorb high frequency vibrations that causes the irritating squealing or screeching from the pads during braking. I don't recall the OEM pads having that feature and they have never made any noise on my bikes. If you go through the above procedure and continue having the same issue, swapping back to OEM pads should solve your problem. Alternatively, you could place a piece of coarse sandpaper, 80 to 100 grit should do it, on a flat surface and sand the pads on it a bit to remove excess material. Be sure to vary the direction of sanding to prevent cutting grooves in the material and to keep the face of the pad square with the backing plate. YMMV with that approach.
  10. If you remove the oil filler cap you can observe if the clutch plates do move and the degree by which they move or not...
  11. As you can see in the drawings the zip tie suggestion doesn't accomplish much because as you squeeze the lever the piston blocks the path of bubbles (blue) from reaching the reservoir... but if you leave the lever at rest the piston retracts enough to uncover the port so the bubbles (blue) can travel all the way to the reservoir...
  12. If the master was full, the pistons going to "full in" can create pressure in the system, pushing the pads into the rotors. Was the master cap/lid off when you pushed the pistons in and did you remove fluid to set at the proper level for the new pads? If you're not flushing the system at the same time, here is what I would do. Loosen caliper mounting bolts. Set handlebars so master is level(ish). Wrap towel/sock around master and remove top/cap. Suck out some fluid with a rag or syringe and cover master so you don't get any fluid on anything when you push the pistons in. Remove one caliper. Remove pads. Scrub pistons with SimpleGreen or similar and a toothbrush, then rinse. Push pistons in while monitoring fluid level. Install new pads and reattach caliper to forks, finger tightening caliper bolts. Perform the same (5-9) on the other side while monitoring the fluid level. Tighten caliper bolts to spec. Squeeze lever for normal feel. Either fill to high mark or suck out crappy old fluid from the master and add new fluid to the high mark. Clean up any brake fluid. Test! It is completely worth it to flush the system properly so that you get the full benefit of the new mating surfaces. Most crappy brake feel is from dirty pistons and old fluid, not the pads/rotors. Let us know how it goes! (Not a fan of EBC braking products...)
  13. This is why I went with Honda pads. I think the pads are too thick. Contact EBC to remove heat plates and see if wheel moves. I tried EBC and Braking always had some issues. I warped several rotors. Eventually i was fed up and went with 4 piston calipers with full floating rotors.
  14. Rotor is fine. And I could install the pads without removing the caliper. Tight fit but pistons were fully retracted.
  15. Is there some room for air in the master? The pads need to be able to back off once the lever is released. Are you sure that the brakes didn't feel like that before the pad swap (dished rotor?)
  16. Hello, I installed EBC Double-H brake pads on my VFR800 (2003) and my front wheel barely turns now - I left both of the heat plates on the pads (if that is what they are) should I remove them?
  17. Well, well... well. Time for an update! I had the very great pleasure of zipping around with a few of you hooligans the last few days at the VFRD Spring Ride. Great time! It also exposed a few things that need yet a bit more attention on the 1200. 1) Right fork leg seal is seeping oil. No bueno, but not surprising as they are original. Springs up front are also obviously shot, and the fluid is definitely on the back side of good. Now I'm pricing out casettes (never did like the Showa much, but springs helped a LOT when they were new). I'm sitting on the bottom of the fork legs a LOT. The springs in there now are Sonic Springs 1.2kg/mm, but I'm fat and they are worn out. I may go to 1.35kg/mm as I'd rather have them run high than low. HispanicSlammer is running Andreani cartridges up front and seems to like them... and the pricing sure seems right at under 700USD with springs. 2) The shock out back has started to identify as a pogo stick. It was installed in 2016 and is past due for a rebuild. I may visit with the Penske team about making it a piggyback reservoir, or finding a better way to mount the reservoir than the zip-ties I'm using currently. 3) Valve Clearances are needing to be checked, still. 4) Going to do all fluids again as I've now had a chance for everything to get stirred up nicely. Hopefully will purge any remaining bits from the cooling system. 5) Might swap the front tire a bit early as the shimmy is supremely irritating... Or maybe I'll just burn it off. The Conti's grip nicely, but man, that front tire is awful at 45-55mph. 6) While forks are off, I'll do head bearings and wheel bearings. Even with all that, the bike performed admirably. The smokies are challenging for a big bike like this, especially with a fatbodied rider... and I was stunned at how well it held lines considering how bad the suspension is. I'm so glad I bought it back.
  18. From my way of thinking if a cyl. is missing then the fuel isn't being burned and there should be a rich mixture. That would be if a spark induced miss. An injector issue would cause a miss and be lean if it wasn't injecting the proper amount of fuel.
  19. He says he picked it up for £750 (approx $935). I had a crashed one I picked up for £350. Good engine, lots of other good bits but damaged frame & scrapped panels as side hit by a car damaged both sides. The sale of parts came to nearly £900, so was a good job. 👍
  20. I just watched the first part. Professionally filmed and nicely presented. The guy has a well equipped workshop and knows what he is doing. He strikes me as one of those guys who could fix anything. He paid GBP150 (about USD $188) for the bike. Honda VFR800
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  22. Last of the "more" boring videos. It was a very low key trip for us! Route 30 N from the lake (one of my favs). Route 315 north, another favorite in the area. And lastly, the super secret squirrel road I love.
  23. I also bleed the banjo. Wrap a towel around the banjo nut on the master pump loosen retighten quickly it will squirt . this will get that last bit of air out.
  24. riderS.....but all is well, nothing ibuprofen wont fix.
  25. Looking at those curves, it visually mirrors how I instinctively ride it - 4,000 to about 9,000 is my operating range. Beyond 9,000 there is very little additional power to be had and torque is beginning to fall off, so time for the next gear up! I don't recall ever hitting the rev limiter.
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      Juniper Pass

      I took a day off from work and also from my bicycle training to take out the Veefalo one last time before the weather turns ugly, supposed to snow the rest of the week and possibly start sticking to the ground along the Colorado Front Range. I took a leisurely pace up hwy 105 toward Morrison and got reacquainted with the bike since its been over a month since I took any sort of twisties on it at all, hwy 105 is a scenic ride along the front range between Denver and Colorado Springs, its mostly easy fast sweepers and lite traffic so its a favorite road of mine when going north. Then I have to negotiate a bit of traffic near Highlands ranch and up hwy 470 into the mountains. I decided to take the Morrison Exit and try either Lookout Mountain or head up Golden Gate Canyon - this time it was Lookout Mountain, I was sort of making it up on the fly as I went along. Lookout Mountain is my old bicycling haunt from my days while I was working at Coors, its a killer ride and all uphill - I don't think I could do it today If I had to, not quite there yet! I saw a whole bunch of riders doing it though and wished I was in shape enough to be there doing it as well. 30 more lbs and I will be able to do it! On this day I would do it on the Veefalo instead.





      I took a video from the gateway to the top at the Lookout Mountain State Park, getting past riders, the guy in the green jacket actually pretty much astounded me with how far he had gotten in the short time it took me to set up my camera, some 3 miles at least and up to the gateway from the turn off at hwy 6! Amazing I thought. I took the first two turns slow then got more comfortable as I went up further, till I was doing well, I made some gearing mistakes and took the tight 15mph marked hairpins in the wrong gear so I lugged it a bit on one or two. Still enjoyed it though and then got off at the top and hiked over a rock outcropping for an overview of the road for the pictures below.




      Lookout Mountain - Golden Colorado


      Zoomed in


      Lookout Mountain Park top of the mountain

      From there I headed up interstate 70 to Idaho Springs for a beer at the Tommy-knockers brewery, I was the only customer in the joint - slow day for them so they treated me like a king! I got a nice tour of the place sort of impromptu, they made me a nice Pastrami sandwich on rye and with the brown ale it was fantastic. I must say the beer is much better there than in the bottles - its always good at the brewery. I am glad I stopped


      Tommy-knockers Brewpub Idaho Springs


      Idaho Springs Colorado


      Mashtuns and fermenters


      Rows of fermenters

      I finished my lunch and since the road to Mount Evans is right there I headed up Squaw pass hoping to get in some nice pictures I wasn't expecting what I found, ICE IN ALL THE SHADY PARTS


      Icy patches on Squaw Pass definitely taking it easy on that road

      There were some section where the ice covered the whole road for 300 yards or so I had to roll through it with my legs out to help keep the bike from sliding and falling over, I took it real slow. A Ford pickup was right behind me so I pulled over to let him pass but the guy was going slower then even I was so I pressed on - in places where I could see I just cut over to the oncoming lane and out of the ice where the sun was shining on the road more, but some places there was not alternative so I just had to go slow, good thing it wasn't slick but rather they tossed some gravel over the worst parts so I had some traction!

      I did stop for pictures in all the best spots


      Echo Lake at Mount Evans showing off my new plate


      Elephant Butte Park and Denver


      Close up


      Veefalo on Squaw Pass


      Juniper Pass


      Juniper Pass


      Mount Evans

      My route A is home B is Tommy-knockers


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      Not that it matters and not that I expect anyone had noticed, but to those who sent me "where are you?" I would like to say I am back. Not only that I am officially returning to VFRD after nearly 2 months break but I have also ridden my Hawk last weekend and had FUN! Let me restate that; I had major fun riding! Something I have almost given up on.

      Most of you have been riding your whole adult lives and riding is not only a hobby to you, it is part of you. But I started riding three years ago and even though I have encounter some setbacks, till this spring I loved riding with whole my heart. However, I have always considered riding as my hobby. As a hobby which suppose to make my life better, more fun and more rich. Life is too short to do something which we don't fully love.

      My love of riding received a first major scar this spring: I lost a friend on the racetrack. He was a total stranger who offered me his help after I lowsided at CMP track last year. I still remember hearing his "Hi, my name is Todd, do you need help?" while I was duct-taping my roadrash from ripped jacket. He helped me straighten up the shifter and we kept in touch. The next time we saw each other was the day he died.

      With 9 months delay, I can say that Todd's death shook me more than I have realized. It rooted fear in me which was fueled by seeing and hearing about others getting hurt over and over again. If I was to summarize this year - it would be one big accident report. I became sensitive to every broken bone, every roadrash, every lowside. And even though I did 10 track days this year, I became slower and slower and slower. Suddenly, I have acquired this 'grandma' riding style on the road, frozen with fear that behind every corner there is car standing in my lane, or major sand trap or deer staring at me ... I was crippled with fear not only for me about also for my fellow rider.

      So, at the end of this year, I rode more and more by myself. I could not bear the feelings of responsibility for others on the road and my lines were crippled by my own fears. It all culminated this fall at WDGAH. In a freaky accident Love2rideh82crash was taken down by a truck crossing into our lane. I was done. I finished the weekend, locked the VFR into a garage and took a break.

      Until the last weekend, I pretended that motorcycles do not exists. As a last instance after 2 months break from riding, I decided to go to CMP track to see if I can still have fun. I also felt like I should go for the memory of Todd. I went and I had fun! I had much more fun than I expected and the most fun on track I can remember. Suddenly the whole track connected into an uninterupted line of turns and I felt one with the bike riding around! I was giggling like a little girl in my helmet and keep on giggling ever since smile.gif

      Granted I was not the fastest one and through out the weekend, I have never exceeded about 60% of my riding abilities, but I had no "oh-shit" nor 'blond' moments. I could have maybe go faster, I could have brake later for the turns and I could have lean further, but I am no Rossi nor Stoner. I decided to ride for fun and I had amazing blast riding well within my comfort zone.

      I was proud of myself when, after bandaging Ricks arm, I was able to distance myself and go back to riding without the year-long fear. I did feel bad for him but the feelings were not crippling my lines nor my mind. And when a total stranger came to me and said "Hi, my name is Todd", my heart stopped for a minute though but I suddenly knew that my life went a full circle. I probably will never win MotoGP :idea3: , but I am back! :wheel:

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