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I usually do not have a practise or history of pre filling an oil filters, but had a whole day for a 15 minute job 😆
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Got to cleaning the bearings with some stale petrol (mixed with some used engine oil that was in the jug) and a toothbrush. They came out looking good. Started spinning freely again which is reassuring. All traces of old grease removed. Washed until the petrol came out Needle roller bearing (wheel side) also washed clean of old grease. Then used the same tub of petrol to wash the crud off the swingarm. Cut through it beautifully! Petrol is so effective I’ll be using it more in future.
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That is my revelation after knowing about the lack of jumper, and thanks for confirming. If it flows as it should after the re-test with jumper in place, I'll just order a new filter and the return line filter kit and bring it back to life..hopefully. Still re-learning these VFR's
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Well that explains why you only saw 2 ounces of fuel flow Simply switching the Ignition On or the Kill switch from off to run will Only give you 2 to 3sec of pump run time, not the required 10secs!
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Apologies for the confusion. Yes, my friend held the return hose into a container and then turned on the switch for the 10 seconds, then off. He said he forgot to put the jumper wire into the connector during a discussion on the issues after I had pulled out the fuel pump. My hands were full holding the fuel tank and a timer and keeping a finger over the port that the return line was removed from.
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Umm so that means you didn't run the pump for 10sec for the FF test?? Pump needs to run continuously for 10secs. I'm confused.
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"His side" during this exercise was the right hand side of the bike. I was on the left and had a finger over the return hose port and holding the fuel tank. He failed to put in the jumper wire as he said was too focused on the hose into the can and then the start/stop switch operations.
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Not sure what you're saying here "his side of the bike"? In order to run the pump for 10sec for the FF test, you either need to provide external 12v to the FP connection for 10secs OR bypass the FC Relay using a wire jumper for the mentioned wires on the relay base, then switch on Ignition for 10secs. Otherwise your FP will only operate for the 2 to 3 secs prime at switch On!
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Yep point taken Squirrelman completely agree. A new or rebuilt dry engine is most certainly the exception to the general rule.
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Mega thanks Grum. Will pay extra attention. And suppose that my friends failure to jump those is what limited the flow... probably ?
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Mate.....Be Very Very careful when jumping/bypassing the Fuel Cut Relay. You need to jumper the Black/White wire to the Brown wire NOT the Brown/Black wire if you get this wrong you Will DESTROY your ECM. This has happened! Double check this BEFORE switch On.
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not so messy as u might guess if you let the filter sit for 5 minutes before mounting it. no race engine builder would fail to pre-fill. the idea of running for a few seconds with zero oil pressure scares the crap outta me, and when working in a professional shop, i did hear rod knocks before pressure built up.
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Or try again tomorrow. Friend helping me just admitted he forgot to jump the fuel cut relay on "his side" of the bike. But the fine stuff in the cup still is an issue.
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Interesting/strange the oil filter pre fill process!! I can imagine it would create a bloody mess trying this on a horiziontal mounted VFR fitting. Never seen this recomended in any Service or Owners manual. Been doing oil filter changes for over 48 years, have never suffered any ill effects from not prefilling an oil filter. There is always a good micro film of oil on all the internals and oil pressure recovery on start up is generally very quick. Seems crazy and messy doing this on a VFR. But, As always YMMV.
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No idea on the filter at this point and not willing to chase the previous owner. Had to get gas cap key from his daughter couple months back and she said he is construction worker on high rise and large hotels and usually gone months at a time. Guess that brand X fuel pump explained the odd sound. Quick search on the web indicated that pump is by Quantum and they show to fit 98-09. Almost want to replace the entire thing, even with a used ebay unit from a Gen 5 bike.
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Thats very bad, less than half the required flow rate. Is there any way of knowing if the Fuel Filter was replaced with the pump? Might be worth replacing the filter on spec then recheck flow rate! Grit in the catch cup is not a good sign as well! Good to see you did the power and ground check for the FP, well done. Good luck.
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this rider gets extra points for pre-filling the oil filter, something i've always done on both bikes and cars.
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I will stand corrected. The more I dig into this thing, the more I doubt what the PO told me. Or maybe it was the shop that tried to get it going for him, Hard to tell. All grounds good and no voltage for the check Grum outlined. Did the 10 second FP test and only got 2 ounces in the 10 seconds. 3 different times and same outcome. And a bit of fine grit in the bottom of the catch cup. So drained the tank and removed the fuel pump ( which pulled out with ZERO effort ) to find... a NOT stock fuel pump and not any of the mesh looking stuff or rubber wrap piece at the bottom... UGH.
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Let's say you bought a 6th gen with issues...
Sweeper replied to WDIV's topic in Sixth Generation VFR's
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Let's say you bought a 6th gen with issues...
WDIV replied to WDIV's topic in Sixth Generation VFR's
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Your Starter Relay is located just forward of the Battery. The Headlight Relays are located in the front cowl area behind your instrument panel. Remove your seat and listen near the Starter Relay for it to click when the Starter button is pressed. Do you definitely hear the Starter Relay click when pressing the Starter Button? - Have you tried starting the bike with the Sidestand to UP and Clutch pulled in? With a voltmeter measure the incoming 12v on the main B terminal (battery) of the Starter Relay. Now place your Red meter probe on the other main terminal, when the start button is pressed and the relay energized you should see 12v appear on this terminal being the M (motor) terminal. Refer attached diagram. - Have you downloaded the 5gen Service Manual from the forum? Here's a handy basic drawing of the Starting Circuit, hope it helps. It highlights in Red the 12v feed for the relay coil and the grounding side for the coil in Green. Note all the various safety interlocks/switches on both the positive and ground side for the relay coil.
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I looked at the specs for the VFR750 RC24 (I had one of those) and it uses a 12.7 mm (1/2") Master Cylinder Piston with 2 x 27.0 mm Caliper Pistons which produces a ratio of 9.04 according to the information you previously posted. Never had any issues with that configuration. A 14 mm M.C. Piston with the 3 Caliper Pistons of the VFR produces a ratio of 8.97. How much does the diameter of the disc come into play? Thanks!!
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Did second oil change yd, after 3500km:
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It's not that the lever is moving any more because of the piston diameter, it's that it may need to move more before the brakes stop the bike. And once it gets there, it is likely to be more like an off-on switch. But this is only if you get the ratio significantly wrong. There are probably a range of ratios that will work fine on the street. You have a 5th gen with 11/16" master cylinder and all three rear pistons? That would be a 5.76 ratio, which you said was too wooden? In that case, a 1/2" using two pistons might not be that different (6.37). The better rear cylinder for you might be the 5/8" one, using all three pistons (6.97). That ratio is somewhere between the 8th gen and the F4. Ciao, JZH
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Hi Terry, Do you have photos please? Did you cut to the same length as the VFR? Thanks!
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Juniper Pass
I took a day off from work and also from my bicycle training to take out the Veefalo one last time before the weather turns ugly, supposed to snow the rest of the week and possibly start sticking to the ground along the Colorado Front Range. I took a leisurely pace up hwy 105 toward Morrison and got reacquainted with the bike since its been over a month since I took any sort of twisties on it at all, hwy 105 is a scenic ride along the front range between Denver and Colorado Springs, its mostly easy fast sweepers and lite traffic so its a favorite road of mine when going north. Then I have to negotiate a bit of traffic near Highlands ranch and up hwy 470 into the mountains. I decided to take the Morrison Exit and try either Lookout Mountain or head up Golden Gate Canyon - this time it was Lookout Mountain, I was sort of making it up on the fly as I went along. Lookout Mountain is my old bicycling haunt from my days while I was working at Coors, its a killer ride and all uphill - I don't think I could do it today If I had to, not quite there yet! I saw a whole bunch of riders doing it though and wished I was in shape enough to be there doing it as well. 30 more lbs and I will be able to do it! On this day I would do it on the Veefalo instead.
I took a video from the gateway to the top at the Lookout Mountain State Park, getting past riders, the guy in the green jacket actually pretty much astounded me with how far he had gotten in the short time it took me to set up my camera, some 3 miles at least and up to the gateway from the turn off at hwy 6! Amazing I thought. I took the first two turns slow then got more comfortable as I went up further, till I was doing well, I made some gearing mistakes and took the tight 15mph marked hairpins in the wrong gear so I lugged it a bit on one or two. Still enjoyed it though and then got off at the top and hiked over a rock outcropping for an overview of the road for the pictures below.
Lookout Mountain - Golden Colorado
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Lookout Mountain Park top of the mountain
From there I headed up interstate 70 to Idaho Springs for a beer at the Tommy-knockers brewery, I was the only customer in the joint - slow day for them so they treated me like a king! I got a nice tour of the place sort of impromptu, they made me a nice Pastrami sandwich on rye and with the brown ale it was fantastic. I must say the beer is much better there than in the bottles - its always good at the brewery. I am glad I stopped
Tommy-knockers Brewpub Idaho Springs
Idaho Springs Colorado
Mashtuns and fermenters
Rows of fermenters
I finished my lunch and since the road to Mount Evans is right there I headed up Squaw pass hoping to get in some nice pictures I wasn't expecting what I found, ICE IN ALL THE SHADY PARTS
Icy patches on Squaw Pass definitely taking it easy on that road
There were some section where the ice covered the whole road for 300 yards or so I had to roll through it with my legs out to help keep the bike from sliding and falling over, I took it real slow. A Ford pickup was right behind me so I pulled over to let him pass but the guy was going slower then even I was so I pressed on - in places where I could see I just cut over to the oncoming lane and out of the ice where the sun was shining on the road more, but some places there was not alternative so I just had to go slow, good thing it wasn't slick but rather they tossed some gravel over the worst parts so I had some traction!
I did stop for pictures in all the best spots
Echo Lake at Mount Evans showing off my new plate
Elephant Butte Park and Denver
Close up
Veefalo on Squaw Pass
Juniper Pass
Juniper Pass
Mount Evans
My route A is home B is Tommy-knockers
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I Am Back !
Not that it matters and not that I expect anyone had noticed, but to those who sent me "where are you?" I would like to say I am back. Not only that I am officially returning to VFRD after nearly 2 months break but I have also ridden my Hawk last weekend and had FUN! Let me restate that; I had major fun riding! Something I have almost given up on.
Most of you have been riding your whole adult lives and riding is not only a hobby to you, it is part of you. But I started riding three years ago and even though I have encounter some setbacks, till this spring I loved riding with whole my heart. However, I have always considered riding as my hobby. As a hobby which suppose to make my life better, more fun and more rich. Life is too short to do something which we don't fully love.
My love of riding received a first major scar this spring: I lost a friend on the racetrack. He was a total stranger who offered me his help after I lowsided at CMP track last year. I still remember hearing his "Hi, my name is Todd, do you need help?" while I was duct-taping my roadrash from ripped jacket. He helped me straighten up the shifter and we kept in touch. The next time we saw each other was the day he died.
With 9 months delay, I can say that Todd's death shook me more than I have realized. It rooted fear in me which was fueled by seeing and hearing about others getting hurt over and over again. If I was to summarize this year - it would be one big accident report. I became sensitive to every broken bone, every roadrash, every lowside. And even though I did 10 track days this year, I became slower and slower and slower. Suddenly, I have acquired this 'grandma' riding style on the road, frozen with fear that behind every corner there is car standing in my lane, or major sand trap or deer staring at me ... I was crippled with fear not only for me about also for my fellow rider.
So, at the end of this year, I rode more and more by myself. I could not bear the feelings of responsibility for others on the road and my lines were crippled by my own fears. It all culminated this fall at WDGAH. In a freaky accident Love2rideh82crash was taken down by a truck crossing into our lane. I was done. I finished the weekend, locked the VFR into a garage and took a break.
Until the last weekend, I pretended that motorcycles do not exists. As a last instance after 2 months break from riding, I decided to go to CMP track to see if I can still have fun. I also felt like I should go for the memory of Todd. I went and I had fun! I had much more fun than I expected and the most fun on track I can remember. Suddenly the whole track connected into an uninterupted line of turns and I felt one with the bike riding around! I was giggling like a little girl in my helmet and keep on giggling ever since
Granted I was not the fastest one and through out the weekend, I have never exceeded about 60% of my riding abilities, but I had no "oh-shit" nor 'blond' moments. I could have maybe go faster, I could have brake later for the turns and I could have lean further, but I am no Rossi nor Stoner. I decided to ride for fun and I had amazing blast riding well within my comfort zone.
I was proud of myself when, after bandaging Ricks arm, I was able to distance myself and go back to riding without the year-long fear. I did feel bad for him but the feelings were not crippling my lines nor my mind. And when a total stranger came to me and said "Hi, my name is Todd", my heart stopped for a minute though but I suddenly knew that my life went a full circle. I probably will never win MotoGP :idea3: , but I am back! :wheel:
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I’ve never had the opportunity or taken the time for a track day or scheduling a 1 on 1 coaching session but I’d like to. I was fortunate enough to become friends with a guy in the UK that has raced professionally around the world at all levels, still does some racing and offers 1 on 1 coaching in the UK and Europe. He has so much to offer and I only wish I could make it back to the UK for some training. If you ever run into or come across Mike “Spike” Edwards from Harrogate take advan -
I don't think that I posted this before. My first track day came about when I was the "fastest" guy on our street rides. I led a lot of rides and felt I was pretty excellent at riding. I signed up for my first track day expecting to be pumped to advanced pretty quickly. During my first day, I realized how little I knew...particularly when I was passed by a guy who looked like Santa, on his BMW R-bike, complete with saddlebags...like I was stopped. The hook was set! -
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Similar: Perfect day on a perfect smooth Swiss engineered road on a K100, getting adventurous with shaving the footpegs and sliding the front tyre a little. Then blown away by several Jappos - a Honda 750 four K1!!, GS750 etc. Talk about ego deflation....till I caught up with them at a cafe, took a closer look and slowly began to understand. All of them shared a common theme - Fritz Egli frames.
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