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I get the dislike of the ADV looks, the beak is pretentious and not functional, the designers hoping to give the impression of taking on any road or any trail. But to paraphrase Skids, I'll take function over form. My ADV, owned for eight years now and with a silly beak, is just a great sport touring bike for me. 140hp, weighs less than any VFR made in the last 30 years, more luggage capacity than I need, has 7" of suspension travel, rips the canyons and is comfy on the freeways. The bars are just the right height for all-day comfort.

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are you laying down on the tank? From what I've seen of Crossrunner ergos hands should be at or just below your sternum.

Haha, no surprises that there are differing opinions. Lord help us if we all liked exactly the same things. The Crossie is all-day comfortable. You can ride fast or take it easy and the miles can just vanish yet it is equally at home in the twisties. Yes, the suspension could be better for this (the same for every VFR) but the wider bars give you a lot more leverage for turning and your view ahead is better with a higher head height. And despite the higher drag from the upright riding position, I've seen well over 50mpg (imperial gallons) at high cruise speeds which gives nearly 250 miles to a tank. Looks aren't something that bother me too much, it's the bike between my legs that's important and the VFR800X, which has exactly the same engine as the 800F, ticks my boxes for what I need it for. 68000 miles, never failed to start first touch and with nary a cough or a splutter, all weathers, all year round for 6 years. However, I shall be sad to see her go come the spring as my commuting days are over and I cannot justify keeping her. YMMV, as always.

The adventure bikes are quite ugly...not to mention that my shoulders are on fire about 1.5 miles in. It is very unnatural to have your arms WAY up there.

As someone who only ever rides on the road, I just don't get the adventure bike style attraction (looks especially). For me the VFR800F is almost perfect. Sure, I'd prefer it to be rather lighter for the dynamics and the ergonomics only work in 1.5hr segments but it suits my purposes.

The 1st Gen was very much "meh"... Test rode it when introduced...

MotoGP is quite a few years ahead of the consumer market but you can see the pendulum swinging back to the V4 configuration.

MotoGP is a whole different world from the American consumer motorcycle market.

I don't doubt that at all, but it still doesn't have the same handling unless you've made some mods we are unaware of.

This is what cmsnl shows for a 2000 vfr. I've been keeping an eye on this thread, thinking it might be a down the road project.

I think you'll find that's not a 5th Gen shift star, looks nothing like one. Looks like its for an old 750,

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The 750 responds VERY well to substantial ride height increase in the rear and dropping the front. Much quicker steering, not a hint of nervousness.

I haven't ridden a Crossrunner (we no get 😠), but I have done 80K on 5th gens with Crossrunner equivalent ergonomics 🤩. I completely understand your assessment.

"It's never going to handle like a CBR600" Not sure on the 750, but my 800 beats 600's & has matched 600 club racers on track days 😎👍

I've done nearly 70k miles on my Crossrunner and though I haven't owned an 8th Gen but have test ridden one, the Mk2 Crossrunner is the best VFR800 Honda produced. IMHO of course.

It's just an aftermarket adjustable sidestand. Amazon special. I was going to return it if it was a total POS, but it has worked nicely. One of those rare worth-it impulse buys. Haha.

What is going on with the side stand in that photo - looks interesting.

Ducati and Aprilia would disagree. Even Yamaha is going to a V4 in MotoGP in ‘26.

I have doubts. Seems the market these days is fine with inline fours, and twins. We V4 fanatics are a dying breed.

It's never going to handle like a CBR600, but raising the rear, lowering the front, and using elliptical profile tires in the correct size will be a big improvement. The downside is it's getting hard to find sport tires in 170/60.

The Crossrunner was a nice machine I’d love to own. Shame it was never imported to the states.

They are all setup very stable as stock. My 800 is 2" up in the backend & 10mm down at the front & it's still very stable. Tyre profile & pressures can have a huge effect on turn in, run sporty rather than touring tyres.

FYI, some pics of my 5th gen Shift Star: Ciao, JZH