MadScientist

Yeah, so sounds like you know the problem and you want someone to tell you how to rig it up in a potentially improper manner. If one of those relays overheats and fuses "closed" or the wiring is not done properly, I'm not going to be the one responsible for burning your bike to the ground or killing you/others. Even if I say "do this at your own risk", it does not necessarily absolve me of responsibility. This may sound harsh, but you will get plenty of advice here how to do it the right way. I wouldn't, not would I recommend that you ride your bike on public roads in it's current condition - what if you have an accident and emergency personnel can't turn off your bike. The only thing I will say is that the usual current draw for a relay is about 160mA. One of your relays is probably connected to a circuit not controlled by the key or kill switch since this is in the neighborhood of your current draw.

I've also heard of people mounting a magnet into the heel of riding boots for this reason. Sounds like an idea for a product right there, maybe a velcro-on magnet strap. Would have to find a way to do it without interfering with the grip of the footwear on the pegs or ground though. This is hearsay, of course. I don't know if even a small, high powered magnet is capable of tripping the sensor loops.

The rear middle piston is not controlled by either brake lever. There is a master cylinder in the mounting bracket of the left side brake caliper - bleeding instructions can be found for this circuit starting on page 15-11 in the manual. You will have to squeeze the brake caliper mount toward the fork tubes to pressurize this circuit.

Unfortunately not, the panel is required because they are actually printed out on an LCD display rather than light flashes. Shame about the dash, unfortunately they are damn expensive on ebay too. If the wires and connectors are gone, it might be more work and money than the time it might save to re-wire the OEM dash. I see an immobilizer on the schematic also. Do you still have it wired in or did you figure out a bypass? My other possible suspects are wiring (as always) and 12. Starting circuit cut-off relay. Can you do me a favor and check the voltage at any ignition coil from red/black to chassis ground and at any injector from Red/Violet(?) to ground with the key on (no cranking)?

PCV requires an ignition module. Not sure if it is even compatible with the VFR800 PCV either - doesn't show up as an additional purchase option.

Do you have the R1 dashboard? If so, check if there are any error codes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1mNYU0Zr2M Report back if you do. Seems other people have no problems starting their R1s with broken fan or headlight relays; at least individually, they don't appear to be required for startup. That said, the ECU provides ground signal to energize both of these relays. You could check the cam and crank position sensors for proper function with an oscilloscope; you won't get any truly meaningful information with a regular multi meter.

Yeah, I was concerned about this too when I saw it. I think it will be ok, but I can't say for sure. Some of the pictures look worse than others, but the one looking forward from the rear tire edge (picture 5) is reassuring. The lower O2 sensor appears to be above the pipe midline and at a slight downward angle toward the tip, even on the sidestand. It is close either way, that's for sure. Standing upright, it looks like there should be no issues. Just have to be careful with left lean until the exhaust is warmed up. Also, don't fill the exhaust with water when washing...

They are most likely 180 degree cranks like the VFR, NC13-NC24 had 180 degree cranks, NC30 & 35 had 360 degree (like the RC30/45 and early VFxxxF). Of course they could have later motor swaps or crank/cam swaps. IDK if the earlier engines are compatible with the later parts though.

A small tip on the loudness - I find that the baffles are a little too quiet, but open is too loud. I usually cut down and drill holes in the baffle insert until I get the volume level where I like it - cut/drill a little at a time and test until you find the volume level that you like. I don't have a Delkevic, but this has worked out on a bunch of other brands so there shouldn't be any difference.

Whoops, I just sent you and Lance a PM in case I missed something. Should have checked here first. I still can't believe this is actually happening. Thanks for all your hard work!

The traces of fine white dust are almost definitely old dried up dielectric grease.

I have ridden both these bikes in the past year. Sorry if this comes across as harsh, but all your thoughts, feelings, and stats are irrelevant until you have been on both bikes. Is it worth considering both, yes, but spitballing on BMW or Honda message boards is actually more likely to give unwanted bias. They are both good bikes, one will speak to you when you ride it, the other will not. If you like them both after test ride, then bonus for you: pick the best deal that comes along. I would say overall handling between the VFR and F800S is a wash. I've upgraded my suspension significantly and the stock BMW isn't even in the same ballgame. I suspect the same would hold true of the BMW given the same level of mods against a VFR. While we aren't talking cruiser/tourer geometry, both these bikes have suspension and steering geometry that isn't what I would call flickable. For a pillion, the stock seat on a 5th gen is absolute rubbish. The sargent I have is worlds better and I imagine other aftermarket seats are comparable. If I was looking for a bike in this group now, I wouldn't be considering either the F800 or the VFR. I would be looking at the Yamaha MT09/FJ09 Tracer, whatever that model is called in your area. Loads of engine character, more flickable than either (lighter weight and steeper rake), and an 18L tank. I rode an FZ-09 (naked version, same frame) last September and if I wasn't in love with an Aprilia Tuono, I'd own it already.

Hi and welcome, Have you test driven either of these bikes yet? I think that far more importantly than a tenth here or there on the quarter mile or 0-60 , you will find that the F800 engine is not even remotely smooth, by virtue of the 1950's era 360 degree parallel twin firing order they tried to "fix" with that 3rd connecting rod balancer. But why, pray tell, would someone want a 360 degree twin? The answer - so it has the same uninspiring, tractor-esque din of the boxer twins which can at least claim to be smooth. I mean think about it, they went through all the engineering to "balance" an inherently unbalanced engine just so it could sound bad, WTF? I actually looked at purchasing a BMW several times, one F800 and an RnineT. While they were both mostly competent, I found it impossible to connect with either one. They were pretty much appliances for road travel. And I don't get excited every time I see the laundry machine.

Thanks for the laughs, made my morning better.

I talked about this in the last thread. Basically there is no easy horsepower in filters, we are talking the last percent and trading something to get it. Edit: Found it