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New 5th/6th/8th gen performance header now in production in USA

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Announcements:

[These are restatements from earlier posts regarding cost and scheduling]

 

[1] As stated on the Jan 28 post to this thread, headers with deposits received after Jan 28 cost $790 plus shipping [plus 7.75% sales tax for California residents].

 

[2] The deadline for receiving deposits to add orders to the first production run of 5th/6th gen headers is 4pm Pacific Time Monday February 18. This date/time was moved closer because it is Wade's last opportunity to call his tubing bender vendor and have more sets of tubing bent. The next production run of 5th/6th gen headers will probably be ready to ship 4 months from now. Please send your deposit via paypal to the paypal account of vfrheaders@gmail.com. In the paypal note section enter your VFRD or VFRW username and state '5th/6th gen'. Send your deposit as friends and family to avoid paypal charges, then send me a PM to let us know you've sent a deposit. I will respond with a confirmation that the deposit has been received.

 

[3] We are now accepting deposits on headers for 8th gen VFR800s. Shipping of finished 8th gen headers is estimated to be 10 weeks from now. This timeframe represents 4 weeks to complete the production run of 5/6th gen headers, 2 weeks for prototyping 8th gen headers, and 4 weeks for production of 8th gen headers. Please send your deposit via paypal to the paypal account of vfrheaders@gmail.com. In the paypal note section enter your VFRD or VFRW username and state '8th gen'. Send your deposit as friends and family to avoid paypal charges, then send me a PM to let us know you've sent a deposit. I will respond with a confirmation that the deposit has been received.

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Just to clarify, is the $95 passivation an extra cost above the initial price of the header?

 

Also, is Wade willing to add a 3rd O2 sensor bung after the final collector?  If so, cost?  We can discuss by PM if you want, but I figured others may want to know.  Would be nice to have all welding done before passivation.  I'm not sure that the 3rd O2 sensor bung is even necessary, so this is just academic at the moment.

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This has been a great thread to follow. Lance, your ambition, organization and problem-solving are impressive. We have to get the band back together and do a Sierra trip this year--just so I can see the finished product!
 

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1 hour ago, MadScientist said:

Just to clarify, is the $95 passivation an extra cost above the initial price of the header?

 

Also, is Wade willing to add a 3rd O2 sensor bung after the final collector?  If so, cost?  We can discuss by PM if you want, but I figured others may want to know.  Would be nice to have all welding done before passivation.  I'm not sure that the 3rd O2 sensor bung is even necessary, so this is just academic at the moment.

 

Hey MadSci - yes the cost of passivation is extra above and beyond the cost of the header. We are having the prototypes passivated on behalf of their future owners - VFRD member Hammerdrill and some lucky individual who would like to own prototype 2 at a discount.

 

We did discuss bung placement with Wade, and arrived at offering purchasers their choice of one of three options included in the price of the header:

 

(1) no O2 sensor bungs at all (good for Power Commander owners that are not using autotune)

(2) two O2 sensor bungs in OEM positions

(3) one O2 sensor bung in the collector for users of autotune who run a single sensor.

 

MadSci, my sense of Wade’s approach to things is that he’d do a third sensor bung for an additional cost. I will pin down what that cost would be and report back.

 

Request - I would appreciate feedback from those 5/6 gen owners who use a single sensor in the collector: where and at what angle is it located?

 

The photos below feature the standard 1/2” tall M18 bung that will be installed unless the ‘no bungs’ option is selected. The OEM bung locations and sensor size are also shown. DO NOT neglect to liberally coat sensor AND bung threads with anti-seize every time you install a sensor or a plug! At the end of the dyno day, I hand-threaded mild steel plugs into the bungs of prototype1, and 5 days later they had galled so solidly that I had to soak them in penetrating oil overnight and use an impact wrench to get them out.

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Close enough to M18 for government work:

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Positions everyone! (As in ‘here are the OEM bung positions’)

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Get yer frickin bird away from my pipes! Can’t you see that we are working on a header project here? No, I really, truly don’t care if he likes carbon fiber.

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1 hour ago, St. Stephen said:

This has been a great thread to follow. Lance, your ambition, organization and problem-solving are impressive. We have to get the band back together and do a Sierra trip this year--just so I can see the finished product!
 

 

So true sir - getting back to Brian’s ‘Greatest Hits’ road selection with the gang must happen again.

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Am I correct to assume that you will be contacting the deposit list to get bung, and passivation options? 

 

*he said bung heheh*

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Good question, MBrane. Yes, over the next few days, I will PM everyone who has placed a deposit to ask those questions and request a destination shipping address so we can start preparing to ship finished headers.

 

(Like you, I can’t help but snicker while trying to remain serious about anything bung-related)

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7 hours ago, sfdownhill said:

 

 

MadSci, my sense of Wade’s approach to things is that he’d do a third sensor bung for an additional cost. I will pin down what that cost would be and report back.

 

 

I'd love to verify this.

 

I'm planning 3 sensors. Stock, with the third for my wideband o2. That's what I'm running now.

 

I can have my buddy do it, but I'll be as happy throw a few dollars at wade as well as at my local friend if it is an option. If it's too much a PITA for us rapidbike guys, definitely don't press it. I'll be happy just to have the good pipes with stock bungs and not be a pain in Wade's butt.

 

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Lance, given the deadline for deposits on the first run is the 18th, can you please keep an eye out for the cheque I sent you. I also sent through tracking details via PM. 

 

Once the cheque is received, we'll need to discuss shipment options, as we are moving out of our place at the end of March, so if shipping is a 6-week proposition, I may have to provide an alternate address for shipment.

 

On the passivation side of things, I might have to wear the PayPal ripoff (on exchange rate) to have that done.

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1 hour ago, EX-XX said:

Lance, given the deadline for deposits on the first run is the 18th, can you please keep an eye out for the cheque I sent you. I also sent through tracking details via PM. 

 

Once the cheque is received, we'll need to discuss shipment options, as we are moving out of our place at the end of March, so if shipping is a 6-week proposition, I may have to provide an alternate address for shipment.

 

On the passivation side of things, I might have to wear the PayPal ripoff (on exchange rate) to have that done.

 

Michael - I don't understand why you'd post this on the thread, as we have been corresponding successfully via PM. Your post here covers the same topic as the PM you sent yesterday. I responded yesterday that I'd been home since 9am, the mail hadn't arrived yet, and I have not received a notice from a carrier that a delivery attempt had been made. Later in the day yesterday I PM'd you with an update that the US Postal mail had been delivered and did not include an envelope or parcel from you. PM is the appropriate medium for our transaction.

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23 hours ago, sfdownhill said:

 

Request - I would appreciate feedback from those 5/6 gen owners who use a single sensor in the collector: where and at what angle is it located?

 

 

Don't put it where mine is!  It barely fits in that location.  (This is an Erion, btw.)

 

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Ciao,

 

JZH

 

 

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Thanks JZH - not putting it there gives us a lot of leeway. That Erion is a good-looking assembly - is that your 2000?

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This is where I put my third bung when I made up my pipe.

Sorry I don't have a shot with it on the bike but as you can see I positioned it to clear all of the running gear on the 6th Gen.

 

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16 hours ago, sfdownhill said:

Thanks JZH - not putting it there gives us a lot of leeway. That Erion is a good-looking assembly - is that your 2000?

 

Yes, and I should mention that the outlet was cut down slightly to match the TBR's length, and to keep the link pipe from sticking out too much.

 

I'm hoping to get in on the second 5th/6th gen production run, assuming my finances then allow! 

 

Ciao,

 

JZH

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Hey sfdownhill, 

Any reply from K&N tech support about the big mouth airfilter, was there a solution for 6g center stand stop and what was Wade's view on 3 bungs? 

 

Cheers

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Good question boOZZIE - I followed up w K&N 3 times after emailing them the photos of both of their HA-8098 filters and got the run around each time. Their last position statement was that ‘it’s been pushed up to a product manager”, and I haven’t contacted them since before the dyno testing Jan 26.

 

I’ll give it another go.

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Looking good highside,  it'd be nice to have my wideband for the rapidbike there too.

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The lists on p1 of this thread have been updated. Now there is a 'LIST 8' made up of those who have placed deposits for 8th gen headers.

 

Deposits are $200 and can be sent to the paypal of vfrheaders@gmail.com. In the note section of the paypal transfer, please enter your username and '8th gen'. Enter '5th gen' or '6th gen' along with your username in the notes section if you are placing a deposit for the third production run, which will consist of 5/6th gen headers.

 

VFRD member Hammerdrill has purchased prototype 1 and we'll be taking his 6th gen to Attack Performance Saturday March 23 to do a stock baseline and dyno tune.

 

Another VFRD member [I haven't yet asked him if it's ok to mention him, so mum's the word for now] located geographically close to Duc2V4's control and command center has volunteered his 8th gen for prototyping and fitment. We have April 6 reserved at Attack to do a baseline and tune on his 8th gen. One of the 5/6th gen production units is tagged to become the 8th gen prototype - we hope through building the 8th gen prototype from a 5/6th production unit Wade will get his mind around the concept of building modular front primaries.

 

Tonight a PM is going out to all who have placed deposits for the first production run of 5/6th gen headers.

 

For the new headers, a center stand stop for 6th gen owners will be a $50 add on [maybe less - I'm getting a fixed quote next week] and will consist of a tidy stop welded to a simple t-bolt clamp that will be fastened onto the 6th gen midpipe. The stop will be a single piece of 13g [2.4m] bar stock with two bends and a hole for a rubber stopper [not included]. The bolt tension section of the t-bolt clamp will be oriented on the backside of the midpipe - toward the tire - so all that will be visible will be the stop. We don't have a finished example yet, but the clamp will be one of these two types - Delkevic is on the left and Staintune is on the right:

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The center stand stop for 6th gen will look and function like the one on this Staintune,  but it will be built on a t-bolt clamp instead of being welded onto the midpipe:

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On 2/22/2019 at 2:37 PM, sfdownhill said:

Good question boOZZIE - I followed up w K&N 3 times after emailing them the photos of both of their HA-8098 filters and got the run around each time. Their last position statement was that ‘it’s been pushed up to a product manager”, and I haven’t contacted them since before the dyno testing Jan 26.

 

I’ll give it another go.

 

I rolled the dice and placed a call to K&N to revive the discussion about the big mouth version of the  HA-8098 for VFR800s. My call was answered by a representative who was not only willing to help, but held the position of product specialist. She could find no trace in the K&N system of the previous calls or emails I had exchanged with other reps. So I forwarded the email thread and photos to her this past Monday and heard nothing back. I sent an email follow-up today and eventually received this response:

 

"Hello,

The filter you are speaking of in the plastic wrap [large aperture version] is the only one we manufacture now. The older one may have been from our UK facility when we manufactured them there. The only one available for purchase is the one in the in the plastic wrap. The new one has more filter media space and will flow more air. If you would like to become a distributor of the K&N products or purchase for resale fill out our Dealer application. You can also email or call our UK facility."

 

I sent a brief response thanking her for getting to the bottom of the puzzle and observed that part of the mystery stems from K&N's website photos featuring the small aperture filter and people who have recently purchased HA-8098 filters from K&N dealers receiving small aperture filters. There was no further response from her.

 

To verify the info she provided, I ordered an HA-8098 directly from K&N's website. If it turns out to be the large aperture/big mouth filter that so many of us are after, I'll post it up on VFRD, then install the filter on VFRD member Hammerdrill's 6th gen prior to his dyno baseline and tune March 23.

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Wow,  just dropped in to catch up between flights and you guys have been very busy. The clever bung fitting references and not being a pain in Wades butt are only exceeded by the work actually accomplished.  

 

I can hardly wait, hope to get one installed before the Spring Memorial ride.

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Welcome back to VFRD after its little vacation. Hispanic Slammer, thanks for keeping the forum up to speed - you're efforts are appreciated.

 

To purchasers of headers:

Duc2V4 and I are unable to access PMs at this time, but we are getting email notifications when you send a PM, and we can read what you wrote. Until VFRD is back to being a fully armed and operational battle station, you can email us at vfrheaders@gmail.com. A few of you have already done this and it's working well as a stop-gap measure.

 

K&N's large aperture [big mouth] air filter with part number HA-8098 is the only one they currently make for the VFR800. the big mouth is the filter we installed for dyno testing and tuning of the prototype headers. I was lucky enough to have purchased that particular filter from an individual in the UK for $85. Now the general public can purchase the same filter for $59.99 from K&N. The small aperture filter with the same part number is an old design, and is no longer manufactured. Confusion ensues because K&N on their own website and online retail dealers of K&N products all feature photos of the now defunct small mouth filter. Yesterday I ordered an HA-8098 straight from the K&N website and today a big mouth air filter arrived. I will attempt to attach a photo of the filter that arrived today:

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Wow. It's crazy how difficult it is to get a straight answer on this K&N filter issue. They claim the larger one is the current production but anyone that orders a K&N Filter gets the smaller version.

I remember posting a picture of my large mouth K&N filter almost 2 years ago now on the old 5th/6th gen header thread. K&N doesn't seem to have their shit together

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3 hours ago, slowbird said:

Wow. It's crazy how difficult it is to get a straight answer on this K&N filter issue. They claim the larger one is the current production but anyone that orders a K&N Filter gets the smaller version.

I remember posting a picture of my large mouth K&N filter almost 2 years ago now on the old 5th/6th gen header thread. K&N doesn't seem to have their shit together

I ordered a K&N, last spring, and received the larger element. I believe, the issue stems from what each distributor has on their shelves. For instance, a smaller distributor may not stock it and orders direct from K&N at the time the customer (us) orders and they receive a large element. Whereas a large distributor may have stock sitting on the shelf from 5yrs ago and the customer ends up with a small element. I think, your best bet is to order direct. I feel like the K&N rep probably walked out to the warehouse and physically pulled a filter to double-check the element for their conclusive answer. 

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