Veefer800Canuck Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 mello - you ever consider a 6th gen rear swap? I think it is VeeferCanuck that has that and it is sharp! Nein, not I. Member FROZEN (he's from Israel) has a 6th gen tail on his 5th gen. I only have the 6th gen gas tank. Frozen's how-to 6th gen rear section swap: http://www.vfrdiscus...to/#entry665717 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer mello dude Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 mello - you ever consider a 6th gen rear swap? I think it is VeeferCanuck that has that and it is sharp! Nah - Mostly I have already had this bike stripped to bare bones and added a bunch of farkles. I'm not in any hurry to do another project outta this bike. I need to get some real miles on it. ---- My mileage is way down from normal in the last 3 (4?) years from shoulder issues and just plain life gets in the way stuff. Next season I'm gonna fix that! - Veefers bike is incredible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer vfrAustin Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 mello - you ever consider a 6th gen rear swap? I think it is VeeferCanuck that has that and it is sharp! Nein, not I. Member FROZEN (he's from Israel) has a 6th gen tail on his 5th gen. I only have the 6th gen gas tank. Frozen's how-to 6th gen rear section swap: http://www.vfrdiscus...to/#entry665717 Pure art!!! Top notch 5th gen. Sorry to say I will need to steal a few of your ideas. I wanted to do a number plate look on the tail as well. I am looking to break up the massive slabs of Red on mine. I will be using a matt black vinyl and creating custom panels for a few locations. Thank you for posting quality photos of your machine. Impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veefer800Canuck Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Pure art!!! Top notch 5th gen. Sorry to say I will need to steal a few of your ideas. I wanted to do a number plate look on the tail as well. I am looking to break up the massive slabs of Red on mine. I will be using a matt black vinyl and creating custom panels for a few locations. Thank you for posting quality photos of your machine. Impressive! Thanks, there's more in my gallery if you wanna go fishin. http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/gallery/album/5200-vfr-rebuild-album/page__sort_order__asc__st__120 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmythecop Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I think what is very nice and unique about VFRs is that they are simmilar enough that you know you are going to love it (and you will), yet they are different enough to where you want one of each. I rode Kanadian Ken's 6th gen and loved it. Like a more refined 5th gen. I rode Dutchy's 4th gen and loved it. Like a thinner, more raw 5th gen. I ride my own 5th gen and love it. Etc, etc. One of each please, but if I had to choose one, it would be the vey same bike I own now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veefer800Canuck Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 To answer one of the OP's questions, why was the 5th gen only produced 4 years? Well, The VFR had typically run in 4 year cycles between redesigns: 1986, 87,88,89 1990, 91, 92, 93 1994, 95, 96, 97 1998, 99, 00, 01 As for the VTEC, there were a host of European emissions and noise laws coming on the scene after 2001 that required a redesign of the VFR, for a few reasons. The noise of the geardrive cams being one, and emissions another. The '00 and '01 bikes got catcons and closed loop FI, but it was a stopgap measure until the '02s came out with similar technology, plus the 12 hole injectors which atomized the fuel into finer droplets, ensuring more complete combustion and therefore, lower emissions. They were also quite lean running, which leads to the surging so many owners complain about, and fit power commanders to fix. The chain drive cams were quieter, plus I had read directly on the World Honda site back in 2002 in a press briefing that "the VTEC system reduces sound pressure levels in the combustion chamber" presumably when the bike is in 2-valve operation. So why didn't they redesign the bike again in 2006? Well they did a model update, with the revised fuelling and VTEC engagement points, but that was it. Maybe Mother Honda had other priorities, the cash flow was going to other projects, maybe the VFR was selling well enough (in markets other than the USA) that a redesign wasn't warranted, etc. We will never know for sure, only the bigwigs at Big H know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer realistdreamer Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 All I can say is YES! Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 If ask Honda which is the best VFR you won't get a silly political correct answer... they will hit the track with all the VFRs and one with the lowest lap wins... that would be your 5th gen because its based on their exotic RC45... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer TexOz Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 ummm ... come on guys ... no more pleeeassse ... enough torture already .... I want my 5th gen baaaaaccckk!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB-Oz Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer vfrjim2002 Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 @BLS: Geeze Larry. Nothing in moderation, huh? I predict the bandwidth police will be at your door shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworth Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I too believe the whole question on which gen was better is strictly a personal thing, and has a lot to do with which gen you currently own. Once you own a 7th gen all the others seem to fade into the past, never to be thought of again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2thdr Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 Larry, thanks so much for posting up that historic article. Modern day moto-journalism is so lacking compared to that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer vfrjim2002 Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 Twelve pages this time. I recommend we dispense with the arguing over which gen is best and settle this like real men. or for the rabid 5th gen'ers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer YoshiHNS Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'd be interested in seeing which was faster around a track. All things being equal, I think the 6th gen would eek out a win, just. The VTEC should only hurt performance at the lower half of revs, where you wouldn't spend too much time anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Duc2V4 Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 I love my 6th Gen and plan to keep it until the wheels fall off, but if I was going to chose one Gen or the other as a track/sport bike, vice a commuter/sport, I would go with the 5th Gen. It would need a few improvements, they both would actually, but I think the 5th Gens link to the RC30/45 lineage is more intact and that with the gear driven cams and lack of VTEC components, I would feel better pushing it on the track. As a commuter/sport bike the 6th Gen feels right at home, but the last time I rode a 5th Gen was so long ago, I really can't do a fair comparison on its commuter/sport abilities. Of course, this is just my opinion and YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marriedman Posted December 6, 2012 Author Share Posted December 6, 2012 mello - you ever consider a 6th gen rear swap? I think it is VeeferCanuck that has that and it is sharp! Nein, not I. Member FROZEN (he's from Israel) has a 6th gen tail on his 5th gen. <snip> I only have the 6th gen gas tank. I had not seen Fronzen's thread, I think I was confused with your exhaust. Your must be a Wolf exhaust system then? Either way, it looks fantastic. I actually found your restoration thread on another forum and kept thinking, "Man, I gotta show this to the VFRD guys..." Then I realized who you were! You did a fantastic job on your bike. You ceramic coated your exhaust all the way back to the silencer, didn't you? I actually called a place here and they quoted me $225 to completely clean/blast and coat it. But they would have to skip the catcon naturally. I am up in the air whether to go with the chrome look or flat black. I love the look of yours, thats why I ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'd be interested in seeing which was faster around a track. All things being equal, I think the 6th gen would eek out a win, just. The VTEC should only hurt performance at the lower half of revs, where you wouldn't spend too much time anyways. 6th gen guaranteed... I'm talking stock set up here... I owned both for a few years and put them both to the test. The improved chassis, braking and front forks on the 6th gen allows you to squeeze more out of the 6th gen... BUT... I bet Canuk's 5th gen would get even better laptimes (given the same rider, that is to say, ME!!)... sometimes it is NOT an advantage to be up in the higher RPMs and somtimes you need more pull from down low. All that time up in the VTEC RPM range will take its toll on the cam chains, valve and general engine wear... Also, both the 5th gen and 6th gen overheat far too much on the track... one needs to override the fan circuitery and have a manual OFF and/or ON at will option, or, if used exclusively on the track, invert the flow with an SP01 helix... and even so, my '03 ended up with warped heads from overheating (120 deg Celsius, at which point the display console starts blinking madly, 5ºC more and I believe the engine would cut out on you as a failsafe measure). Like many have said, the ideal VFR (among available characteristics) would be 6th gen rolling chassis and 5th gen motor... and a front rad hehehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Bassie Posted December 6, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 6, 2012 It's just a fan, if you mount a relais between the wires you can switch from automatic to manual. Shouldn't be that hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veefer800Canuck Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I had not seen Frozen's thread, I think I was confused with your exhaust. Your must be a Wolf exhaust system then? Either way, it looks fantastic. I actually found your restoration thread on another forum and kept thinking, "Man, I gotta show this to the VFRD guys..." Then I realized who you were! You did a fantastic job on your bike. Thanks. It's not a WOLF system, I wanted one, but first I couldn't afford one, then by the time I could, they had stopped making them. A few came up on Ebay from time to time, but they wanted Mucho Dinero for them, for (mostly) dirty old exhausts. Forget that! So I made my own. http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/28435-custom-devil-dual-underseat-exhaust-system/ You ceramic coated your exhaust all the way back to the silencer, didn't you? I actually called a place here and they quoted me $225 to completely clean/blast and coat it. But they would have to skip the catcon naturally. I am up in the air whether to go with the chrome look or flat black. I love the look of yours, thats why I ask. Yes, it was all ceramic coated. Info in the link above. $225 is a good price, as long as they do a GOOD job on the sandblasting. It's gotta be right to white metal everywhere, or you're gonna get rust bleeding through. I did my own, at work. Took a VERY long time to get it perfect, as it's a fairly small cabinet, I was JUST able to fit the exhaust in there, and flip it around as needed. As for the CatCon, since yours is a 1999, it doesn't have one. There is a bulge where the pipes merge, but there's nothing inside there. 2000-2001 have Cats, 1998-1999 do not (except overseas models, which do, if they have a HECS decal on the sidepanel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 It's just a fan, if you mount a relais between the wires you can switch from automatic to manual. Shouldn't be that hard to do. It's not hard to do with a DPDT switch you can have all three possible options at the flip of a switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marriedman Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 I had not seen Frozen's thread, I think I was confused with your exhaust. Your must be a Wolf exhaust system then? Either way, it looks fantastic. I actually found your restoration thread on another forum and kept thinking, "Man, I gotta show this to the VFRD guys..." Then I realized who you were! You did a fantastic job on your bike. Thanks. It's not a WOLF system, I wanted one, but first I couldn't afford one, then by the time I could, they had stopped making them. A few came up on Ebay from time to time, but they wanted Mucho Dinero for them, for (mostly) dirty old exhausts. Forget that! So I made my own. http://www.vfrdiscus...exhaust-system/ You ceramic coated your exhaust all the way back to the silencer, didn't you? I actually called a place here and they quoted me $225 to completely clean/blast and coat it. But they would have to skip the catcon naturally. I am up in the air whether to go with the chrome look or flat black. I love the look of yours, thats why I ask. Yes, it was all ceramic coated. Info in the link above. $225 is a good price, as long as they do a GOOD job on the sandblasting. It's gotta be right to white metal everywhere, or you're gonna get rust bleeding through. I did my own, at work. Took a VERY long time to get it perfect, as it's a fairly small cabinet, I was JUST able to fit the exhaust in there, and flip it around as needed. As for the CatCon, since yours is a 1999, it doesn't have one. There is a bulge where the pipes merge, but there's nothing inside there. 2000-2001 have Cats, 1998-1999 do not (except overseas models, which do, if they have a HECS decal on the sidepanel). Here is the place I got the quote from. Mello dude, maybe you have heard of them? Aesthetic Finishers in Piqua Ohio. http://www.afipowder.com/motorsports/photo-gallery-2/ They come highly recommended from a guy I know that restores classic exotic sports cars professionally. He works on Ferrari's, Porsches, Pantera's... you name it. He has used them for some classic muscle cars in the past. This place also has a contract for corvette headers coatings. Plus the owner was the guy who gave me the quote. Said he has never done a VFR before, so I would be the guiniea pig. If he did a good job, I said I would sing his praise on this forum. That is my one project for this winter. Never take the exhaust off of anything in my life, so this should be interesting! Oh, one more question - Jet coat = ceramic coat ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer mello dude Posted December 7, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted December 7, 2012 .Here is the place I got the quote from. Mello dude, maybe you have heard of them? Aesthetic Finishers in Piqua Ohio. http://www.afipowder...hoto-gallery-2/ They come highly recommended from a guy I know that restores classic exotic sports cars professionally. He works on Ferrari's, Porsches, Pantera's... you name it. He has used them for some classic muscle cars in the past. This place also has a contract for corvette headers coatings. Plus the owner was the guy who gave me the quote. Said he has never done a VFR before, so I would be the guiniea pig. If he did a good job, I said I would sing his praise on this forum. That is my one project for this winter. Never take the exhaust off of anything in my life, so this should be interesting! Oh, one more question - Jet coat = ceramic coat ? - Yes - Jet coat is simular or is a ceramic coat. The main thing is its about reducing the temperatures with a good finish. The preparation makes or breaks it. I have heard of a few complaints with Jet hot in that the prep wasnt good enuff and rust came through. I dont know how common that is. -- -I have heard of the place in Piqua, but no experience with them. Some of the squids on ohioriders have said their work was very good. - There are several competitors on this stuff, do your homework. Jet Hot http://www.jet-hot.com/ Couple others -- http://www.performancecoatings.com/index2.html http://swaintech.com/ -- I have to qualify my experience is zilch, I just did a strip, sand down and repaint. Not gonna chase this until I get a rust hole. Planning on Motads after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veefer800Canuck Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Like I said before, 100% PERFECT sandblasting down to white metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Sorry, I had a change of heart over my earlier comments. The 5th gens suck, you should all go buy 6th gen VFRs. As a service to my fellow VFR riders that are woefully suffering on their 5th gens, I will graciously dispose of them in my garage. Someone has to make the sacrifice, and I am good to go on the sacrifice front. I know, no need to thank me, it's just the burden I carry. So... what are you drinking tonight? I may be PUI, but this is some tasty Bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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