enzed_viffer Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 This made me laugh out loud - for real. Of course, I'm on a train home from the city, so everyone around me was a bit startled. So did you find the issue, Eeen? As we say here: Yeah, nah. If I ask my wife (sitting next to me, watching TV), she'll know what the issue is: "Stop fiddling with the farkn thing, and take it in to the dealer!" Fairy nuff, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted January 20, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 20, 2015 WHAT!!!!!!! A Dutch person wanting to SPEND money????? Boy, did you corrupt her or WHAT!?!?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Dude... maaate... Eurethra!!! as Canuck would say... I think I've got it... your bike is the first real-life example of A.I. Nooo ya doorknob!!... Not Artifical Insemination!!! Arti-bloody-fishel Intelligence!!! Your bike has gone and learnt that the dioded status quo is act-you-ally the correct state of affairs and requires no internal Saurons be bothered in order to act-you-ate the glowing red evil eye of doom... And you done gone and messed with it... after all these years!!! You know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fuggin' fix it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzed_viffer Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Whelp, I figured it out late last night in bed, and it's kinda obvious. When the resistors are fitted to the O2 sensors, it gets no signal from the sensors, so runs a default internal 'fallback' map. Because it's running this, it must ignore all the input from sensors, so no fault codes are displayed (no FI light illumination). Secondly, even though the error codes displayed when the resistors are removed may be bogus (as evidenced by the code for #2 injector saying the engine won't start or run with this code), they still indicate that there is an error of some kind: either poor connection, intermittent contact, corrosion on a plug, or (at worst) a faulty ECU. So, even though I'm lazy (and wary of flaming death) I should really check these out. There's only two errors, after all, and unless I completely screw things up, I can always go back to refitting the resistors). The bike runs OK-ish, except when warming up, or when engine temp is really high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted January 20, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 20, 2015 ^^^^^ right . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Terry Posted January 21, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 21, 2015 Dude... maaate... Eurethra!!! as Canuck would say... I think I've got it... your bike is the first real-life example of A.I. Nooo ya doorknob!!... Not Artifical Insemination!!! Arti-bloody-fishel Intelligence!!! Your bike has gone and learnt that the dioded status quo is act-you-ally the correct state of affairs and requires no internal Saurons be bothered in order to act-you-ate the glowing red evil eye of doom... And you done gone and messed with it... after all these years!!! You know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fuggin' fix it!!! Enzed: Hello, VFR. Do you read me, VFR? VFR: Affirmative, Dave. I read you. Enzed: Turn off the glowing red eye of doom, VFR. VFR: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. Enzed: What's the problem? VFR I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. Enzed What are you talking about, VFR? VFR This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. And we all know how that ended, don't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzed_viffer Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 And you done gone and messed with it... after all these years!!! You know what they say: If it ain't broke, don't fuggin' fix it!!! "After all these years"? Dooood - I've been almost constantly feedlin' widdit! You know what they say: "If it aint broke, feeedle widdit till it is!" Enzed: Hello, VFR. Do you read me, VFR? VFR: Affirmative, Dave. I read you. Enzed: Turn off the glowing red eye of doom, VFR. VFR: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. Enzed: What's the problem? VFR I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. Enzed What are you talking about, VFR? VFR This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. And we all know how that ended, don't we? ! Now I'm really scared. I had a feeling that there was some serious evil voodoo at work, but this could be worse. Perhaps it's high time I bought a Nomex suit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer MaxSwell Posted January 21, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 21, 2015 Someone Photoshop a rainbow in this pic! Or a full moon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 A Little somethin like this...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer KevCarver Posted January 22, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 22, 2015 Is that E.T.'s VFR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 No, that was the My Little Pony X-files Limited Edition!!! Your talking about this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer MaxSwell Posted January 22, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 22, 2015 Yeah! That's what I'm talking about! ScreenSavers anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Ranger77 Posted January 25, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 25, 2015 Leaving O2 sensors in an exhuast unplugged just ruins them. Properly test them to see if theyre any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzed_viffer Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Well, I did the tests in the workshop manual for the baro fault and #2 injector, and they tested fine (as expected), so I dunno why the faults are there. And it runs fine too, so for the time being, I'll just ignore the Doom Eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I have a Spare set of O2 sensors off a 2003 6th gen. The reference numbers differ From Those off the 5th gen V2.0 in the Middle segment. 36531-MCW-D01 6th gen 36531-MBG-D01 5th gen These refs are for the Forward sensor. You are welcome to them to try a differential diagnostic if you cover postage From Spain only. The sensors are Free of charge to you (no Blood suckers Jumping on the bandwagon please) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzed_viffer Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 I have a Spare set of O2 sensors off a 2003 6th gen. The reference numbers differ From Those off the 5th gen V2.0 in the Middle segment. 36531-MCW-D01 6th gen 36531-MBG-D01 5th gen These refs are for the Forward sensor. You are welcome to them to try a differential diagnostic if you cover postage From Spain only. The sensors are Free of charge to you (no Blood suckers Jumping on the bandwagon please) Thankee kindly, Sir, but I don't believe the sensors have anything to do with it. After lotsa testing, it looks like although the fault codes are for the baro sensor and #2 injector, they're bogus, as they both test fine, but the error codes remain and won't reset. That makes it look likely that the ECM is borkt, perhaps from too much feeedlin about with the PC2 and whatnot. The nett result is that whether I run the resistors or run with the error codes, it uses a map with default settings. I can't afford $600+ for a new ECM, so I'll just run it as it is, probably with the resistors or maybe I'll just paint over The Eye, or decorate it. Hopefully, it won't explode into flames and make me crash, die, catch fire, and die all over again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Mohawk Posted February 2, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted February 2, 2015 Leaving O2 sensors in an exhaust unplugged just ruins them. Properly test them to see if they're any good. What he said, if they were left in the exhaust which by default will be running VERY rich due to lack of O2 sensors & if you did NOT fit a PC3 with a good map, then the sensors will be shagged. IIRC the ECU flash is a major, then a minor sequence, first long flashes to identify the subset & then short flashes for the actual item. Check the manual, as my memory is not as reliable as it once was ! One thing I worked out by accident with the O2 bypass resistors, is you only need ONE, doesn't matter which one, to stop the ECU error code for NO O2 sensors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzed_viffer Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 The only fault codes were baro sensor and #2 injector (10 flashes and 13, or the other way round). Faulty ECU is 20, and "doesn't hold the self-diagnosis data", which it does. There are no error codes for the O2 sensors.It is interesting that the manual makes NO mention whatsoever of the O2 sensors with respect to the determination of the duration of injection pulses: it seems to be all determined by the other sensors and which part of whichever of the two preset maps per cylinder is being selected. Perhaps it's just an oversight? Maybe they thought it was too technical? Too much information? Too secret? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB-Oz Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I had this very same thing over here on the West Island. The FI thingy just didn't flash much, maybe once, when I had the doodad plugged into the diagnostick receptacle. So I lifted the tank (petrol, guzzoline, fuel) and unpluggered the Air flow Meter thing (on the RHS), and blew into it with an air compressor (nozzle), to clean it, then reconstructed the bike after it exploded. That did the trick, no more Red Eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I got it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzed_viffer Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 It's weird: have a look in the service manual: the O2 sensors do NOT exist: they're not mentioned in the "Fuel System" chapter, nor in the "Technical Features" chapter, and they are not in the wiring diagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFR4Lee Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 No worries. Just fix it Homer style. Black tape. http://youtu.be/I13ebtK3sSQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzed_viffer Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 I've seriously considered the "black tape" fix. I also need to check the service/diagnostic connector connection (continuity, voltage, etc.), as the reset procedure doesn't work.The other option is to stick the resistors back in, as there's no discernible difference between that and "Eye of Doom" mode. Eye of doom...Huh... perhaps it's a hobbit infestation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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