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This is not a boring old twin.

The Aprillia has a 270° crank, and sounds and behaves like a V twin, just more compact.

Don't underestimate the new generation of twins with the crossplane cranks, they have huge amounts of torque and are just as intoxicating as the V4 was in its day.

With the power to weight ratio, latest equipment and all the electronics, they will leave the poor old VFR far behind.

But it's not a sports tourer, they are out of fashion I'm afraid, and it doesn't seem like anyone is in a hurry to bring them back. Sad really.

I couldn't find a replacement, it's why I bought a 1050 Sprint.

 

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13 hours ago, GreginDenver said:

I agree that it's hard to find a replacement (or alternative) to a V-4 engine.  And yes, I agree that a crossplane parallel twin is a bit of a far cry from the V-4 experience.

 

But here's an in-between engine candidate, the Triumph "T-plane" triple.  Surprisingly the T-plane triple engine has exactly the same firing order as the VFR engine, just without the 4th cylinder.  The T-plane fires like this: 1-0-3-0-0-2-0-0- and it sounds a lot like the VFR's V-4 engine.

 

At the end of this video there's a few seconds of full-throttle T-plane 3 cylinder acceleration to listen to.  You'll be surprised how much it sounds like a VFR V-4 engine.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Woh023WrZlQ

You're right.  That does sound similar to a V4.  Pretty cool illustrations of the different firing orders, too.  Thanks for posting that link.

 

As I've mentioned in a couple other places on the forum, I recently bought a BMW boxer twin.  One huge reason I dig it is the engine, which has similar characteristics to my VFR in my opinion, even including the engine braking.  The V4 is smoother overall, but they're both a blast to ride.  Sounds like maybe I should look at a triple in the future, too.

 

Anyway, I just couldn't buy an inline 4 or parallel twin that lacked as much character after having ridden a V4 for 14 years.  😉

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Nothing like the VFR. Designed as a street friendly sport bike, not a sports-tourer. Might get one though, looks fun.

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On 9/19/2020 at 6:05 AM, Gebruiker said:

 

Am I the only one who thinks the future VFR is going to look more like this? https://www.damon.com/   

 

...Sorry for the sacrilege... No offense intended.

 

 

 

 

On 9/19/2020 at 9:55 AM, ShipFixer said:

I'd like to try one...but I don't think Honda is this adventurous.

 

I'd like to try one too, but $25K for base model and $40K for premium version is a bit much...then watch the first few episodes of Long Way Up and see what you'd be up against. I'm ready to give it a go, when the electric infrastructure is there to support something beyond a daily commuter.

 

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On 9/19/2020 at 12:55 PM, ShipFixer said:

I'd like to try one...but I don't think Honda is this adventurous.

 

All the manufacturers must be looking at the possibilities. Not sure how they'll emulate the purr and whine of the engine. 🙂

 

vfrcapn said:

I'd like to try one too, but $25K for base model and $40K for premium version is a bit much...then watch the first few episodes of Long Way Up and see what you'd be up against. I'm ready to give it a go,

 

It won't be long to wait. We know how quickly this technology is advancing. 

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Well...I said "try one."  😜  I don't plan on buying a $25K anything bike any time soon!

 

Of course just as I typed that I realized my bicycles are getting into crazy territory anyway, so who knows...

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Ari Henning’s review. 
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2021-aprilia-rs-660-first-ride-motorcycle-review?fbclid=IwAR222VOAf8t5i0fT6XC3M_2AkPYQHGqD8RE1QjJlkwZ0c4cGd8Gj8X1OPro

 

The pics appear to roughly resemble the seating position of a 6th Gen. 
 

There’s a video of one, with an SC Project full-exhaust, on FB, but, I can’t get it to share to here. Anyway, it sounds gnarly. 
 

Right at 400lbs wet weight. 

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I rode this 790 for a few hours last month.  Parallel twin.  True, not as much character as the v4, and I'm not buying one, but it's still a very good engine.  Lots of power in a tiny package.  Power was very much on par with the vfr.  It was a nice bike!  I hate to say it, but it had tech that makes my VFR seem like an antique. 

 

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On 10/26/2020 at 12:48 PM, Sparkie said:

I rode this 790 for a few hours last month.  Parallel twin.  True, not as much character as the v4, and I'm not buying one, but it's still a very good engine.  Lots of power in a tiny package.  Power was very much on par with the vfr.  It was a nice bike!  I hate to say it, but it had tech that makes my VFR seem like an antique. 

 

 

From a tech perspective the 8th gen is antique. My 2017 Ducati SuperSport (base model) has far superior ABS, Traction Control, and ride modes.

 

Funny about the 790, I had a buddy that bought one and only kept it long enough to trade it in for the 890 when it released. He said the 890 was a better machine in many ways. Funny how a year difference can do so much.

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do we really need trendy rich guys bragging here about how much better their ducatis are ?? 😬

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9 hours ago, lazyeye said:

From a tech perspective the 8th gen is antique. My 2017 Ducati SuperSport (base model) has far superior ABS, Traction Control, and ride modes.

 

Funny about the 790, I had a buddy that bought one and only kept it long enough to trade it in for the 890 when it released. He said the 890 was a better machine in many ways. Funny how a year difference can do so much.


If the Supersport had cruise control, it’d be tough to beat. 
 

That 890 is in another league, from all reports. But, my paid-for 800XCx will have to be good enough for me, as I’m done with the ever escalating offerings. 

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7 hours ago, ducnut said:


If the Supersport had cruise control, it’d be tough to beat. 
 

That 890 is in another league, from all reports. But, my paid-for 800XCx will have to be good enough for me, as I’m done with the ever escalating offerings. 

 

I'd mentioned before that I considered buying a used late model, low mileage Duc Supersport S from a local BMW/Honda shop.  I was seriously considering it, but the lack of warranty and no local dealers kept me from it.  It was already having a fueling issue, but it was also a sportier bike than I wanted to replace my VFR.  Still, man what a sexy bike.

 

The local Big 4 dealer also sells Aprilia.  I'll have to keep an eye out for one of these new RS660s there, though I wonder how many dealers in non-metropolitan areas and rich suburbs will pass on ordering them just to put on the sales floor.  That's a pricey ornament to just sit around until the right buyer walks in.  😕 

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