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So I wired the RB module back in, hooked up my laptop, fired up the software, and found the 'average cells' box. It is not checked. I hooked up the O2 sensors opposite of the instructions and on the 'status' screen, I saw 0.0 for 'O2 sensor 1 in' and 'O2 sensor 1 out'. I reversed the connections and then saw 0.5 for these items. So, I'm guessing the instructions are correct? I'm assuming 0.0 is not right for the O2 sensor in/out readings.

ACE

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Well, I emailed Yaman at RB about my issue. I have to give this guy props for customer service, he knows what the term means. I emailed him in the evening after work, & I got a response that same nite. I called the next morning from work, & we arranged a phone call for later the same day after I got home. I get home, hook up my laptop to my RB module on the bike & call Yaman back. He gets on line with me as soon as he can (had to finish a call with another customer), logs into my laptop & runs the RB program. He noticed some issues with my map, made changes, & loaded the modified map to my module. This all took about 20 minutes. He also explained some things about the RB operation for me. Now it's up to me to put in around 200 miles & let him know how the changes work out. I'm riding at the track this weekend so it will be a little while before I can do this. In any case, whether the changes work or not, I appreciate the time/effort this guy puts in for his customers.

ACE

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Sorry if I'm asking questions that have been answered in this or the other threads, but I'm just getting back to this after last years crash.

Finally got the '01 back and the autotune module is dead, so I have to do something about the tuning.

Now I can't say I'm not shocked and surprised that the RB units can not do gear by gear on the VFR. The PCV can do it without the gear position sensor, they just tap into the Tach signal and the speed sensor and compare to some stored gear ranges and know the gear your in.

Why can't the RB units do the same??

Also is the issue with the 5th gen's narrow band sensors not trimming fuel related to how seldom the 5th gen ECM is in closed loop mode? The 6th gens go into closed loop mode a lot more often to meet the later emissions standards.

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Here's a couple videos of testing out the youtune module, launch control and traction control. I have the launch control set to hold at 9,000 RPM's. Once it detects a 500 RPM drop, it moves on to the second stage (traction control) which limits output until reaching 11,000 RPMs. You will hear some missfires in this second stage. After Passing 11,000 RPM's you reach the third stage and you have full power again.

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Has anyone installed a Rapidbike quickshift module onto a 6th gen? If so can you post up some pictures. I have the racing module on mine and was thinking about it but I figure I'll have to change the rearsets out for something with a linkage in it for the module. Not sure if I can do something with Honda parts or have to go aftermarket?

Thanks,

Nick

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Has anyone installed a Rapidbike quickshift module onto a 6th gen? If so can you post up some pictures. I have the racing module on mine and was thinking about it but I figure I'll have to change the rearsets out for something with a linkage in it for the module. Not sure if I can do something with Honda parts or have to go aftermarket?

Thanks,

Nick

8th gen rearsets for the optional quickshifter should work for Honda stuff... Sato rearsets for aftermarket.

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I looked at the honda catalog and it looks like the only difference I can find on the rearsets (quickshifter vs non quickshifter) is nothing. The shifter is optional but the kit for that only includes the lever/quickshifter module assy. I was hoping someone has used a 900RR or something set of rearsets to make it work. I do have an older set laying around and if I could make that work I'd be happy.

Sato's are nice and expensive but I don't like having to go to a pressure switch for the rear brakes. A little leery about cracking open my linked brake system for bleeding but that's just me.

Thanks for the info Rush...

Has anyone installed a Rapidbike quickshift module onto a 6th gen? If so can you post up some pictures. I have the racing module on mine and was thinking about it but I figure I'll have to change the rearsets out for something with a linkage in it for the module. Not sure if I can do something with Honda parts or have to go aftermarket?

Thanks,

Nick

8th gen rearsets for the optional quickshifter should work for Honda stuff... Sato rearsets for aftermarket.

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I am running the Rapid Bike Racing plus the Rapid bike quick shifter. I went with Sato rear sets a long time ago, so it was a simple plug and play for me. I had been using the old Rapid Bike 2 and older on/off style pressure switch quick shifter, which worked okay but needed some upkeep, but I have to say the newer Rapid Bike strain gauge based quick shifter is phenomenal. It is fully adjustable for any amount of force that you could possibly want for initiating the fuel cut shift and requires no maintenance.

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Sounds like what I'll have to do. Better start saving....

I am running the Rapid Bike Racing plus the Rapid bike quick shifter. I went with Sato rear sets a long time ago, so it was a simple plug and play for me. I had been using the old Rapid Bike 2 and older on/off style pressure switch quick shifter, which worked okay but needed some upkeep, but I have to say the newer Rapid Bike strain gauge based quick shifter is phenomenal. It is fully adjustable for any amount of force that you could possibly want for initiating the fuel cut shift and requires no maintenance.

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Its definitely worth it! Be sure to go GP shift. Once you go reverse shift, you''ll never look back.

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I have just a few RB related questions, I have the 'race' module, on a 6th gen. 1st, does picking up the 'you tune?' module negate the need to find a convenient dyno tuning shop? I'm not even sure there's anyone near me I'd trust to dyno my bike & try adjusting the RB maps. 2nd, I may be riding out to CO to watch the PPIHC activities, how might the RB module behave with altitude changes? 3rd, I just replaced plugs and noticed my idle speed dropped a few hundred rpm, normal? I guess this last question strays from RB questions, but just wonder if there's a relationship? TIA.

ACE

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You do not need to do a custom dyno tune if you have the Rapid Bike Evo or Race, unless you have extensive modifications.

The supplied base map that the Race and Evo modules were shipped with, will be very close to perfect on most factory VFR800s or with basic slip-on, catless headers, snorkel flapper delete and air filter etc mods. The Race and Evo modules run in closed loop (taking in information from the factory o2 sensors or optional wide band to make necessary fueling changes) and will easily compensate for basic modifications and weather/altitude changes. Honestly the VFR800 comes equipped from the factory with a Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor and the factory ecu can compensate for altitude changes by it self, the Rapid Bike will not effect this.


Now on the other hand, if you are running modified camshafts, high compression, ported cylinder heads, over bore pistons, forced induction, nitrous, race gas etc.... you are going to want to spend some time on a dyno.

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Thx CR. My bike is basically stock, with a slip on. If the Tyga headers ever become a reality, I may go that route. But from what you wrote, that still may not require any re-mapping. I have the adaptive thingy (tech term) turned off due to issues that creep in over time. These showed up early on after installation & Yaman helped me set the adaptive map (?) back to 0s. That was good for a while, then about 1000 miles into a loop I rode last summer, the issue came back. So I just disabled that part & she runs smoothly.

ACE

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I got my mapping where I like it, left it at 5% and stopped moving it over. Everything has been fine ever since. If I do any mods, I will put a few hundred miles on it and move another adaptive map over.

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Does anyone who bought a VFR wiring harness have one to sell? They don’t appear to be available via the link on page 1 (or anywhere else).

 

I’ve got a Rapid Bike Racing unit (from a crashed BMW S1000) and want to try wiring it up to my 5th gen. I’m assuming all that is required is s remap and a harness? 

 

So so if anyone has a harness please get in touch! 

 

Thanks, 

 

Stray

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Got in touch with Performance Parts in the UK (new UK distributor) and Liam was brilliant on the phone. He is going to supply the harness and reprogram the unit. 

 

Result! 

 

Now I can join in the fun everyone else has been having (need to weld an o2 sensor into my ‘98 exhaust first though)...

 

Stray

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Got in touch with Performance Parts in the UK (new UK distributor) and Liam was brilliant on the phone. He is going to supply the harness and reprogram the unit.   

Result! 

 

Now I can join in the fun everyone else has been having (need to weld an o2 sensor into my ‘98 exhaust first though)...

 

Stray

 

What is the cost of the harness only? Program unit You can do by your own. To do that You have to use Rapid master from dimsport web registred account. This software which has stock maps.

 

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On 05/04/2018 at 7:51 AM, Cimaj said:

What is the cost of the harness only? Program unit You can do by your own. To do that You have to use Rapid master from dimsport web registred account. This software which has stock maps.

 

Thanks Cimaj. 

 

Harness alone is is going to cost me £130 with shipping. Sounds a bit expensive for a cable but I suppose it is a specialist item. These are not listed for sale - you have to ring them to order one. 

 

Liam explained that to begin with the unit has to be set up for a specific motorcycle. Only Dimsport suppliers can do that, he explained. Normally that costs £40 but he is doing it free as I’m buying the harness.

 

After that you can freely play with maps from your online account. 

 

That’s as much as I understand. 

 

Have I got this wrong? 

 

Stray

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Wrong price

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Yeah it would need updated firmware as well as mapping, not just mapping alone, so that would probably be best left to the authorized dealers.

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Has anyone here installed a Rapid Bike Evo on a late model 5th gen with O2 sensors? I would be curous to know how it has performed.

 

Also I'm wondering what the limitations of the stock narrow band sensors are. I like the idea of the wide band sensor but I would want two (same as stock) and that it cost prohibitive.

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I would be more concerned about tuning with 16-18 year old o2 sensors, than the 2 vs 1 argument.

If it were me, I would shell out a few bucks for the single wide band o2 sensor and ditch the original 2 narrow bands.

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I don't see any reason to ditch the stock O2 sensors just because of age. With less than 20k miles they should have plenty of life left. If the Rapid Bike can produce a good tune with them then that's what I'm interested in. For me part of the attraction of Rapid Bike is the ability to use the stock sensors. I realize that the wide band sensors are better at tuning for large throttle openings but I'm more interested in overall driveability and smaller throttle openings (closed loop fueling).

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Description of my tuning bike module says their wide band sensor should be used IN ADDITION to the stock narrow band sensors. 

 

Their wide band should only be used alone on bikes that were not equipped with o2 sensors in the first place. 

 

My ‘98 has no sensors. I’ve been wondering if I should stick one in after the collector for the Rapid Bike Racing module or not. 

 

A single sensor is not ideal, however, as the rear cylinders run richer than the front. You’d need a different sensor for front and back. 

 

In the perfect world I’d install 2 wide bands with 2 my tuning bike modules but the cost would be insane. Cheaper option is just to install 2 narrow bands plugged straight into the RBR. 

 

Stray

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Well I was the UK guinea pig for the RB Racing module as part of a VFRD group buy otganised by CandyRed, so hav8ng had a unit for a few years here’s my view. Y2K VFR800FiY with O2 sensors, my bike is extensively modified.

 

i went the RBR route after having a PC3 with custom maps, but I wanted to be able to play with the ignition timing too, which was not available with the power commander. This turned out to be a blind alley, as the 5th gen even on 99RON fuel will only allow a maximum of 3degrees adjustment, so ignition adjust is pointless & didn’t gain anything. Thus as a fuelling module it is no better than a PC3 with custom map.

 

that said it has many more features & add-ons than the PC3, such as auto mapping, narrowband, Mytuning bike wide and, much better, fuel control management for over run & engine braking etc plus lots of additional things you can add.

 

So my advice to anyone that just wants fuel mods on one bike, get a PC3 or 5 & have it dunno mapped, it’s much cheaper & get# the same result.

 

If you have multiple bikes you can just buy the harness & move the module between bikes, so the Rapid Bike units are much cheaper in this scenario. Or if you want all the advanced functions, then this is the one to get.

 

As we say here, you pays your money & takes your pick.

 

YMMV, HAVE FUN.

 

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On 07/04/2018 at 8:19 AM, Mohawk said:

Well I was the UK guinea pig for the RB Racing module. 

 

the 5th gen even on 99RON fuel will only allow a maximum of 3degrees adjustment, so ignition adjust is pointless & didn’t gain anything. Thus as a fuelling module it is no better than a PC3 with custom map.

 

Thanks Mohawk, I am riding on your coat tails here. Your results with this module are the reason I got interested. Huge debt owed to you, both on this and other mods. 

 

Like you, I was hoping to mess with ignition advance but it is disappointing to hear your findings that only 3 degrees are available. Is that throughout the entire rev range or does it vary? 

 

If memory serves you got the my tuning bike kit with wide band sensors too, yes? 

 

As mine is a pre-sensor model I was wondering if I could weld two wide band sensors into the downpipe collectors and plug them straight into the Rapid Bike Racing unit WITHOUT the My Tuning Bike module. Will the RBR accept these directly? Hoping to save money here. 

 

As for saving money, the RBR unit is a poor choice even if moving it from bike-to-bike. The harness alone costs £130 (including tax and shipping). A new PC3 would be about the same! 

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