Guest stevekingchef Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Hi guys Well 3 hours into my project and I've managed to snap two exhaust bolts. I am completly at a loose end. a complete novice and have no idea to do. Any advise greatly recived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamishvfr Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Doesn't look that bad. Keep going you need to get the exhaust off so you can clamp onto the remainder of the stud. When you try to remove it you need to heat the aluminum first; lots of heat quickly. The aluminum will expand the steel will not and with moderate pressure it will turn. Don't break off what's left or it will get worse. You are not too far up the creek yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Infidel Posted June 2, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 2, 2011 Just in case you don't have heat, you can always soak it down with some PB Blaster or something similar and let it set for a few... keep soaking it down. Also, now might be a good time to go to Sears or something similar and get a set of Stud Extractors. Worth their weight in gold as I have practically worn mine out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Jmmymc750 Posted June 2, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 2, 2011 Just in case you don't have heat, you can always soak it down with some PB Blaster or something similar and let it set for a few... keep soaking it down. Also, now might be a good time to go to Sears or something similar and get a set of Stud Extractors. Worth their weight in gold as I have practically worn mine out. The past two posts are great advice. Keep going. Get the exhaust off, then try. Lefty loosey may not be correct for exhaust studs...can't remember for certain. Look it up (manual is on this site for download). You will be OK. Not a disaster. Stud extractor, ez-out, something along those lines. CHeers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Burns Posted June 2, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 2, 2011 IF you have access to a welder, you can also weld a nut onto it, and try removing it that way, also.. Either way, good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer V-FORE Posted June 3, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 3, 2011 If using an extractor, be careful In '94? I had snapped one of the rear exhaust studs on my V45 Sabre and as I was turning the extractor the collar snapped off.... $300.00 for a rear head.....So remember ignorance + Force = Results, just not the kind you want Good luck, take your time & you will be able to get them out. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Polarbear Posted June 3, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 3, 2011 Well I would just drill it out with the proper size bit. But don't take my word for it, I'm not much of a mechanic... Although that's exactly what I've done before. Good luck! ! C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer paulmeisterpk Posted June 3, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 3, 2011 IF you have access to a welder, you can also weld a nut onto it, and try removing it that way, also.. Either way, good luck. I've had to get a few off this way. This and HEAT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamishvfr Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 OK because you said your an amature I will chime in again. You don't need to drill anything or need extractors yet. You need to finish taking off the remainder of the exhaust. You didn't snap the bolt off flush. When you get the exhaust off there will be the bolt there sticking up missing it's head. Plenty there sticking up to grab with a good set of vice grips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NakedViffer Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 FIRST thing is first. STOP right there, go buy yourself a can of PB blaster and soak that thing, wait 10-12 hours, soak it again, wait another half a day or so. After that, pop that flange off and that thing will turn right out. After you slip that flange down, if you have a dremel or a drill and a stone bit you can flatten two sides of the remainder of the bolt to give your vice-grip jaws something to bite on. Next time something feels that tight when you're trying to loosen it, hit it with some penetrating oil and work it back and forth, tighten a hair then back it off again to let that penetrating oil get up in there, that way you won't deal with this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Hi guys Thanks so much for helping me calm down. I will soak all the rest of the nuts today and tomorrow. And take it from there. many thanks again guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veefer800Canuck Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 . Lefty loosey may not be correct for exhaust studs...can't remember for certain. As I recall, it IS lefty-loosey. I was removing the exhaust from my 800 and a couple of the studs backed right out of the head with the nuts. I was turning in the conventional direction to remove, AKA: Lefty-loosey. I did not do anything upon reinstallation, except to leave the studs locked in the offending nuts, and put anti-seize on all 8 male threads that DID come undone. So next time I remove them, the studs will also back out of the head, which I don't really care about, they're coming off one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer JZH Posted June 3, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 3, 2011 I don't think there are ANY left-hand threads on any VFR. I certainly can't think of any (though I have never fully stripped any VFR engines)... Heat is good. Penetrating lubricant is good. EZ-outs, however, are evil. Use at your own risk! Ciao, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Burns Posted June 3, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 3, 2011 Do NOT try and drill it out, unless you plan on taking the head off, and setting it in a proper vice on a drill press. The odds of screwing this up by attempting w/ a hand drill are incredibly high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 FIRST thing is first. STOP right there, go buy yourself a can of PB blaster and soak that thing, wait 10-12 hours, soak it again, wait another half a day or so. After that, pop that flange off and that thing will turn right out. After you slip that flange down, if you have a dremel or a drill and a stone bit you can flatten two sides of the remainder of the bolt to give your vice-grip jaws something to bite on. Next time something feels that tight when you're trying to loosen it, hit it with some penetrating oil and work it back and forth, tighten a hair then back it off again to let that penetrating oil get up in there, that way you won't deal with this again. +1 on what he said. PB Blaster is great stuff! EZ-outs, however, are evil. Use at your own risk! Ciao, I think the devil himself invented them! Do NOT try and drill it out, unless you plan on taking the head off, and setting it in a proper vice on a drill press. The odds of screwing this up by attempting w/ a hand drill are incredibly high. Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Polarbear Posted June 3, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 3, 2011 Well, since real mechanics are saying do not drill it out, I guess you shouldn't. Sorry, was trying to help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Burns Posted June 3, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 3, 2011 Well, since real mechanics are saying do not drill it out, I guess you shouldn't. Sorry, was trying to help... not implying it can't be done, but getting the angles right, and getting the bit centered, etc stacks the odds against you, at least IMHO.... if it was something like a bolt stuck in a frame or something like that, I probably wouldn't hesitate, but the head... too much can go wrong and expensive in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Infidel Posted June 3, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 3, 2011 OK because you said your an amature I will chime in again. You don't need to drill anything or need extractors yet. You need to finish taking off the remainder of the exhaust. You didn't snap the bolt off flush. When you get the exhaust off there will be the bolt there sticking up missing it's head. Plenty there sticking up to grab with a good set of vice grips. The stud extractors will do a much better job than them vice scripts. I have seen people round off more than one broken bolt using a set of worn jawed vice scripts. 30ish bucks tops for a good set that will earn their money back right out of the gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIFFER93 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 +1 on most of what has been said. I have been here with my 3rd gen. 1. Work on getting the rest of the exhaust off. You have plenty of stud to work with. 2. PB Blast it and be patient. 3 If you don't have the ability to weld on a nut, make sure you have a sharp pair of Vise Grips and clamp on to the stud. Take your time and remove the stud slowly. 4. When the stud is out take a moment to run an appropriate sized tap through the hole only to clean out the crud. 5. Take your time when reinstalling the headers if you over tighten the cap nuts you can snap the studs... again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wera803 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I don't think there are ANY left-hand threads on any VFR. I certainly can't think of any (though I have never fully stripped any VFR engines)... The only one I know of is on the center stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Polarbear Posted June 3, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 3, 2011 Well, since real mechanics are saying do not drill it out, I guess you shouldn't. Sorry, was trying to help... not implying it can't be done, but getting the angles right, and getting the bit centered, etc stacks the odds against you, at least IMHO.... if it was something like a bolt stuck in a frame or something like that, I probably wouldn't hesitate, but the head... too much can go wrong and expensive in a hurry. I agree! It will work well only if you have clear access to bolts, which I had when I drilled mine out. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Hi guys well have been soaking in wd40 since yesterday. what exactly is PB Blast is it a brand of lube spray type thing? also having taken the other two studs outs (they came out no prob but the nut still rusted to the top. my next question is how best to access the rear headers??fuel tank off?rear footrest and chain-guard? also i would love to rant now about the silly black clips on the fairing! :bliss: i admit a great idea if you know what the hell thay are!i was most confussed looking at these mysterious black disks!!! thank god for youtube i found them on there cheers again guys and i will post pics up asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer jeremy556 Posted June 4, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted June 4, 2011 PB Blaster is a spray penetrating oil, kinda like WD40, but a lot better. Whenever working on exhaust, or any other corroded parts, a few doses of PB blaster, a torch, and an impact wrench make the job much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 well have been soaking in wd40 since yesterday. what exactly is PB Blast is it a brand of lube spray type thing? WD40 isn't going to help you much, it is not designed to be a lubricant. Search your locale for penetrating oil, that's the stuff you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmythecop Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 PB Blaster is the best, but if you can't find it try and locate some " liquid wrench". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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