zon Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The new VFR is growing on me and I would move heaven and earth to buy one, if it had just a few more things. I want a 120 hp, gear driven motor with a gp style exhaust to show off the rear wheel and keep the weight down, like the CBR's. A fully-adjustable suspension, with an inverted front fork, in the current 8th Generation package. I guy can dream. Is there anything else that I'm missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted August 5, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 5, 2014 snore.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The new VFR is growing on me and I would move heaven and earth to buy one, if it had just a few more things. I want a 120 hp, gear driven motor with a gp style exhaust to show off the rear wheel and keep the weight down, like the CBR's. A fully-adjustable suspension, with an inverted front fork, in the current 8th Generation package. I guy can dream. Is there anything else that I'm missing? Sounds like a winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Skids Posted August 5, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 5, 2014 Why USD forks on a sports tourer? What do they bring that is so special that they're worth the extra cos you can guarantee that any manufacturer will add a premium to a price because of them. Genuine question. I realise they're a must on race bikes, and for street cred I guess you must have them on the latest fashion sports bikes, but a ST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted August 5, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 5, 2014 Lost my train of thought .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjb1019 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 What is the obsession with the whole gear driven cams thing? I mean really, what practical advantage would gear driven cams have over modern chain driven ones...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 What is the obsession with the whole gear driven cams thing? I mean really, what practical advantage would gear driven cams have over modern chain driven ones...? Nothing's wrong with a modern chain driven valvetrain..........if only Honda can ever figure out how to finally design a CCT that will stay silent. Heck, pretty much all my dad's bikes (except for his Goldwings which had a dry belt valve drive with idler wheels) in the 70's had their CCTs make a racket after a few thousand miles.... why it still happens today with their bikes is ridiculous..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFR4Lee Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Ride the bike that Honda sells ya. Or go all Frankenstein on it. Your call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raoufhakam Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Seem to me like ur asking for an Aprilia RSV4 :D I honestly dont see the obsession with USD/inverted forks. If u have a good set of 3 way fully adjustable convetional forks, you're good to go. Before my '00 5th VFR, i had an '06 CBR600RR with fully adjustable USD forks and buddy of mine had an '04 CBR600RR which had fully adjustablr coventional forks and i could swear they're both just as good. As fork gear driven cams vs chain and CCT, i havent owned a honda bike with a chain driven cams that didnt meed CCT replaced quite often and never did well without an aftermarket manual tensioner, maybe they just need to throw a manual tensioner in new honda bikes and save us both the hassle, time and money :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rush2112 Posted August 6, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 6, 2014 What is the obsession with the whole gear driven cams thing? I mean really, what practical advantage would gear driven cams have over modern chain driven ones...?Gear driven cams allow more precise valve timing control then chain driven cams....And they sound so much cooler than a rattling chain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted August 6, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 6, 2014 Why? cos they are beautiful!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raoufhakam Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Why? cos they are beautiful!!!! MOTHER OF GEARS!!!! Gears, gears, gears, ,,,,, they're beautiful, sounds awesome, no maintenance. never had chain driven cam bikes that didn't whine and needed CCT change too soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonRocket2 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Why USD forks on a sports tourer? What do they bring that is so special that they're worth the extra cos you can guarantee that any manufacturer will add a premium to a price because of them. Genuine question. I realise they're a must on race bikes, and for street cred I guess you must have them on the latest fashion sports bikes, but a ST? Because they give you a more precise handling bike and better tyre wear by flexing less particularly when you're carrying extra weight such as luggage and pillions. The reduced flexing also aids braking performance during hard braking manoeuvres where the ABS might cut in. It's a bit of a myth that USDs are all about razor sharp handling for race bikes, they are but they offer other advantages too IME and IMHO. Flame away VFRers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer windyrun Posted August 6, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 6, 2014 Those gears look awesome...wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted August 6, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 6, 2014 Duesenberg...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rush2112 Posted August 6, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 6, 2014 Why? It's a hidden Mickey Mouse engine!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer dalesvfr Posted August 6, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 6, 2014 I'd like shaft drive and enough hose/cable length to put some UJM style high bars on. Oh, and an electric windscreen would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raoufhakam Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I'd like shaft drive and enough hose/cable length to put some UJM style high bars on. Oh, and an electric windscreen would be nice. might as well get ST1300 or an FJR1300 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 We want a cup holder Honda!!......A cup holder........Really we do!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Ultimatevfr Posted August 6, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 6, 2014 I'd like shaft drive and enough hose/cable length to put some UJM style high bars on. Oh, and an electric windscreen would be nice. .......that's what she said ;) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted August 7, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 7, 2014 Lost my train of thought .. Is that the front of her or the back of her, hard to tell .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfh Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Because they give you a more precise handling bike and better tyre wear by flexing less particularly when you're carrying extra weight such as luggage and pillions. Care to quantify that? Better tyre wear with USD forks, how does that work? The inverse is theoretically possible with the more flexible a fork & chassis is the less transient stresses placed on the tyre. But a measurable difference? No. Tyres are way more flexible than either RWU or USD forks. Tyres are the first element of the front suspension with sidewall flex (especially in corners) dealing with surface harshness before its passed to the fork. Tyres have to be flexible to work, with the contact patch flattening against the road surface to increase the footprint then returning to the round as the wheel rolls on. There is a theoretical argument that a less stiff fork reduces chatter at very high lean angles. This is why MotoGP bikes have top triple clamps machined to allow enough lateral flex that the uber stiff race USD forks have taken away. Chatter rapidly increases front tyre wear & kills grip, but we are talking slick shod race bikes here. Not ST bikes with road tyres. The reduced flexing also aids braking performance during hard braking manoeuvres where the ABS might cut in. How? As above theoretically the more flexible a fork is the lower the transient peaks experienced by the tyre so the less likely it is to lock over surface irregularities. Thats the theory at least, but in real life? We are talking road bikes on road tyres here not MotoGP bikes with carbon/carbon brakes pulling up from 320km/h at Mugello. Do you have any hard science in the difference flex under maximum braking on road-bikes with road tyres between USD & RWU forks? Time for some metrics Royston. (VFR800 vs VFR1200 would be a good place to start.) My 2 cents worth? Not enough difference to measure, let alone effect feel or performance. It's a bit of a myth that USDs are all about razor sharp handling for race bikes, they are but they offer other advantages too IME and IMHO. Coffee shop appeal is a consideration & if the lack of USD forks is a purchase inhibitor for you then its a real issue for you, irrespective of the views of others. But at least have a level of self awareness that this heightened prejudice, even before riding the bike, is a matter of taste & stop justifying it with faux science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Faux science???..... Coffee shop appeal...... really???? Not talking to newbe riders/VFR owners here you know....... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer dalesvfr Posted August 8, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 8, 2014 I'd like shaft drive and enough hose/cable length to put some UJM style high bars on. Oh, and an electric windscreen would be nice. might as well get ST1300 or an FJR1300 ? Knock 200 pounds off and I would. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted August 8, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 8, 2014 Faux science???..... Coffee shop appeal...... really???? Not talking to newbe riders/VFR owners here you know....... :rolleyes: +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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