Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted January 13, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted January 13, 2009 Since 98 I've been on personal quest to lower Mr.RC45's unsprung weight to the lowest possible and now I'm happy to report success with the addition of Ferodo's CMC rotors... Sequence of events: First came the 3.50 x 17 Marchesini magnesium wheel once owned by Wayne Rainey... Next came the Brembo billet calipers... Then I machined my own magnesium caliper hangers... I also machined my own axle out of 7075 T6 aluminum... I added a QB carbon fender... Finally the addition of Ferodo's Ceramic Matrix Composite rotors for a 3 lb drop in weight... How it all adds up: Stock Honda 310mm stainless steel 3 lbs 4 oz Ferodo 320mm Ductle Iron 2 lb 8 oz Ceramic Matrix Composite 1 lb 7 oz Quote my good friend Jeff Gehrs of Brake Tech USA "Brake Tech USA is very pleased to announce the release of the long awaited, ultra-advanced technology Ceramic Matrix Composite brake rotors for the Motorcycle Industry. The AXIS/StarBlade™ is the new and updated MKII version incorporating now de-classified Stealth Bomber Aircraft technology manufactured by Starfire Systems, this revolutionary material will change the way both top-level race teams and enthusiasts alike view their braking systems. The performance parameters in-total make all previous materials and systems dated by comparison, including the vaunted Carbon/carbon brakes. Designed to perform brilliantly with OEM calipers as well as the Billet GP race-spec versions. This all-new composite material offers the best features of premium iron rotors with the incredible lightweight of carbon, and none of the Carbon/carbon foibles!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee 2002 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Are they grabby enough that you could loose one rotor and caliper (and associated plumbing) completely? That would really help you toward your weight goal. Brake Tech Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veefer800Canuck Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Larry, you're one mad scientist! That looks awesome! So do they work OK when cold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted January 13, 2009 Author Member Contributer Share Posted January 13, 2009 Larry, you're one mad scientist!That looks awesome! So do they work OK when cold? I've noticed no difference over the ductile iron rotors... Performance features include: Not thermally sensitive (will work great on the street) Ultra broad torque curve across a very wide thermal range Much longer lasting than Carbon / carbon Much less expensive than Carbon / carbon Great wet weather performance - unlike Carbon / carbon [not hygroscopic] Terrific feel and feedback at the lever Strong braking performance? We mean, Really strong: +.6 mu average friction with special Ferodo Racing brake pads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D4N Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Those rotors are amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted January 13, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted January 13, 2009 It had been all quiet on the western front....... and then BAMMM! Bulls eye!!! Nice one Larry! (those of you that read books might know which one I'm referring too....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Mmm... sexy... How long do they last? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4 Rosso Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 So you are a bit ahead of motogp Larry? :biggrin: And besides the weight saving, they look good too :fing02: Do you also have a ceramic rear wheel rotor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglasthecook Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Very nice...very nice indeed!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 They look awesome :biggrin: ! How "streetable" will they be though. Do carbon discs still have to kept "hot" to work well, or did they eliminate that problem already? If they did, I wouldn't doubt we'd also seeing it in the most expensive production bikes soon. I wish I had the resources and know-how that you do to work on more exciting winter projects. Beck 95 VFR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 They look awesome :biggrin: ! How "streetable" will they be though. Do carbon discs still have to kept "hot" to work well, or did they eliminate that problem already? If they did, I wouldn't doubt we'd also seeing it in the most expensive production bikes soon.I wish I had the resources and know-how that you do to work on more exciting winter projects. Beck 95 VFR It's never too late to learn - most vocational schools offer night/adult classes also. :fing02: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer magicman Posted January 13, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted January 13, 2009 They look awesome :biggrin: ! How "streetable" will they be though. Do carbon discs still have to kept "hot" to work well, or did they eliminate that problem already? If they did, I wouldn't doubt we'd also seeing it in the most expensive production bikes soon.I wish I had the resources and know-how that you do to work on more exciting winter projects. Beck 95 VFR It's never too late to learn - most vocational schools offer night/adult classes also. :fing02: Resources would be a key word in there. I'd love to be able to get into all this craziness. I'm still tryin to put together the $500 it'll cost me to do track school this spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawglet Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Is it just me or does anyone else enjoy seeing Busy's post although hate seeing too!!! Jealousy sucks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee 2002 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 It's never too late to learn - most vocational schools offer night/adult classes also. :dry: :blush: That is also a great way to get access to equipment. Many times, after you have taken the classes and proved proficiency and safe working techniques, the instructor will allow you to audit the class at a reduced fee. You won't be responsible for sitting in on classroom sessions and will be allowed to adjourn into the shop directly to work on whatever it is that floats your boat. Many years ago, I took a class. There was an elderly, retired machinist who would show up and go directly into the shop and start working on parts. My instructor informed me that he had been doing that for a few semesters.... he was building a steam engine (each of a different design) for each of his grandchildren. If I remember correctly, he had nine to build in all. He was very frail looking, and I have often wondered if he got them all completed "in time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer tharkun Posted January 14, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted January 14, 2009 Dang Larry, one upped again! :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted January 14, 2009 Author Member Contributer Share Posted January 14, 2009 Mmm... sexy...How long do they last? I believe they last as long as steel rotors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted January 14, 2009 Author Member Contributer Share Posted January 14, 2009 So you are a bit ahead of motogp Larry? :unsure: And besides the weight saving, they look good too :unsure: Do you also have a ceramic rear wheel rotor? The rear is stock stainless steel but I trimmed it and drilled it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Mmm... sexy...How long do they last? I believe they last as long as steel rotors... Wow, that's almost unbelievable! :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The rear is stock stainless steel but I trimmed it and drilled it... How about a magnesium brake caliper torque arm Larry? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted January 14, 2009 Author Member Contributer Share Posted January 14, 2009 The rear is stock stainless steel but I trimmed it and drilled it... How about a magnesium brake caliper torque arm Larry? :biggrin: Mercy... will our bikes ever be done??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 No! :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer VFR800R Posted January 15, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted January 15, 2009 That is... the COOLEST thing I have ever seen. Oh, to see Mr. RC45 slamming around a racetrack... preferably an FIM approved one, like Miller or Laguna. That would be a sight. Lacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer SAFE-T Posted January 15, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted January 15, 2009 How it all adds up:Stock Honda 310mm stainless steel 3 lbs 4 oz Ferodo 320mm Ductle Iron 2 lb 8 oz Ceramic Matrix Composite 1 lb 7 oz How much weight did you save with the Marchesini magnesium wheel, Brembo billet calipers, magnesium caliper hangers, 7075 T6 aluminum axle and QB carbon fender ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted January 15, 2009 Author Member Contributer Share Posted January 15, 2009 How it all adds up:Stock Honda 310mm stainless steel 3 lbs 4 oz Ferodo 320mm Ductle Iron 2 lb 8 oz Ceramic Matrix Composite 1 lb 7 oz How much weight did you save with the Marchesini magnesium wheel, Brembo billet calipers, magnesium caliper hangers, 7075 T6 aluminum axle and QB carbon fender ? Stock Honda 16 inch wheel 9lb 3oz 17 Marchesini 6lb 3oz minus 3lb Stock Honda steel axle and bolt 13oz Aluminum axle 7oz minus 6oz Stock Honda calipers 2lb 6oz Brembo billet calipers 2lb 1oz minus 10oz Stock Honda 310 stainless steel dics 3lb 7oz Ferodo 320mm Ceramic Matrix Composite 1 lb 7 oz minus 4lbs Stock Honda 42mm Showa forks 8lb 8oz Ohlins 43mm Superbike forks 7lb 13oz minus 1lb 3oz Stock Honda ABS fender 1lb QB Carbon 6oz minus 10z Total front end weight lost since over stock is 9lb 13oz... and that's not counting all the titanium hardware... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted January 15, 2009 Author Member Contributer Share Posted January 15, 2009 That is... the COOLEST thing I have ever seen. Oh, to see Mr. RC45 slamming around a racetrack... preferably an FIM approved one, like Miller or Laguna. That would be a sight.Lacy Last time Mr.RC45 slammed Laguna with authority he was tagged with 103dba sound violation... that's 13dba over the limit... the sound lady came out of booth just a shaking her finger at me like my mom... so I don't think I'll go back for another scolding... and Sac to Miller to Sac is too great a trip... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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