wpward Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Hey guys, long time lurker but finally had a reason to signup/post. I've had my 98 since she was 5 so I'm quite familiar with all the usual VRR woes. I've gone through 3 of them, now about to put in a 4th. My stator checks out on resistance, no ground, and voltage at idle and 5k but I was curious to visually check out the stator as I haven't done that in all the 73k miles on it. So I opened it up and have attached a pic. My question is, should I replace it? It doesn't look FRIED per se, but it sure doesn't look spic and span. My tentative plan is to replace the stator and VRR (and solder the connections) with Rick's versions and throw in a VFRness too if that seems beneficial. Anything to not have to do this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer thtanner Posted November 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 13, 2016 Swap it. My wife's stator went out at 76k. Looked similar (not black, just brown). You're in there, just swap it! OEM only, no funny business. Oh, and have fun with the Honda green gasket.. ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Cogswell Posted November 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 13, 2016 That looks good for 73k - better than my 6th gen's stator at 18,000 miles. You can have Custom Rewind re-work your core for about $105. Mine's got 7k since and is working fine - they did a great job. You can also ask them for an extra length of wire (I did) or whatever type connector you want. Considering the work required to get to where you are and the consequences of a failure if any significant distance from home, it's totally worth it to do it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer mello dude Posted November 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 13, 2016 If your stator has 73K miles on it and still hasnt failed - count your blessings - 50k seems to be a fairly normal lifespan. Yes- replace now you got it apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpward Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 1 hour ago, thtanner said: OEM only, no funny business. You seem pretty adamant about that. I've read somewhat mixed reviews of Rick's stuff, but pretty much mostly positive. I'm certainly ready to try a non-Honda VRR, but I could sway either way on the stator... What are you guys' thoughts on the VFRNess? Worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer KevCarver Posted November 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 13, 2016 Yep, since it's already apart. I had mine rewound by Custom Rewind in Birmingham after having issues with a Rick's. Don't bother with anything from Ricks. Custom Rewind Stator Roadster Cycle R/R upgrade That's all you need. Adding anything to the charging system is superfluous at best. Adding means adding- More wires, more connections. These are the weak spots, wires and connections. Don't add more with a VFRness. 102,000+ miles on my '99. Not all with that setup, but it's been like that for several years now. I even rebuilt it after a crash and left off my volt meter because I had gone a couple years with no issues (and no VFRness). Send the + output of the new Regulator Rectifier directly to the battery + terminal but through a 30a fuse. Send the - output directly to the main frame. Wrap up the original R/R connectors and tuck them out of the way, you won't need them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer thtanner Posted November 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 13, 2016 22 minutes ago, wpward said: You seem pretty adamant about that. I've read somewhat mixed reviews of Rick's stuff, but pretty much mostly positive. I'm certainly ready to try a non-Honda VRR, but I could sway either way on the stator... What are you guys' thoughts on the VFRNess? Worth it? Rick's stators are horrible. Another bike I have is also prone to stator/rectifier issues; everyone gets a Ricks and then they're swapping it back out in 5-10k miles. I've seen the same here, too. VFRNess is a nice, but I don't think it's a 100% requirement. It cant hurt... I've had mixed experiences with rewound stators. I had one rewound for my wifes VFR and it did not perform right; we put an OEM in and it's been perfect. I don't want to mess about with that green gasket unnecessarily so I'm going OEM every time. They last 50-75k miles (well documented now), so I wouldn't personally go with anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hainzy Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Replace it now whilst it is apart, and replace it with an OEM item in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpward Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 OEM stator it is! How about Rick's VRR? I understand mosfet is superior to the OEM vrr, but there are other options to get mosfet (like R1 vrr, right?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer thtanner Posted November 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, wpward said: OEM stator it is! How about Rick's VRR? I understand mosfet is superior to the OEM vrr, but there are other options to get mosfet (like R1 vrr, right?). The FH020AA kit from www.roadstercycle.com is where I'd go with! It's basically the R1 r/r as mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Replaced mine at 36k km man it sucks when they quit on you in the middle of no where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted November 14, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 14, 2016 7 hours ago, wpward said: My question is, should I replace it? Brown color on your stator is due to the oil additives that discolor during the heat of operation... notice the color grow darker on the bottom where it splashed with more oil and stays light on the top... it is no indicate of a problem... first test the stator's output in accordance to the shop manual to know the condition... Mr.RC45 dark but functional stator... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpward Posted November 14, 2016 Author Share Posted November 14, 2016 Thanks everyone for the responses. OEM stator and a roadstercycle VRR it is. The stator may look ok, but with 73k on it, it would seem I'm on borrowed time. Looking forward to getting the VRR from Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hainzy Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 This is my '09 Vtecs second which lasted just short of 39,000 miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Fritzer Posted November 14, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 14, 2016 what causes the stator failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer jackleftzuo Posted November 14, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 14, 2016 48 minutes ago, Fritzer said: 是什么原因导致定子失败？ n China, there are also many cyclists encountered this problem, I am usually let drivers, replace conform to the specifications of the battery, 12 v10a - size 12 a YTZ12S 14 s equivalent model, and then point to check battery 30 next to a fuse, and rectifier, generator plug whether burned yellow, this is a common problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GleninAus Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 5 hours ago, Fritzer said: what causes the stator failure? If you rule out bad connections or shorts on the yellow stator wires, its energy feedback from the R/R not being able to dump its load to the battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Cogswell Posted November 15, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 15, 2016 9 hours ago, Fritzer said: what causes the stator failure? This has a good explanation of stator operation and failure modes. http://racetechelectric.com/ft-750-stators.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted November 15, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 15, 2016 Another factor considered to contribute is the ethanol in our fuels entering the engine oil (past the piston rings) and affecting the insulation around the coils. So changing oil as per schedule is prudent. And then there is luck, redsluts oem stator lived 60k km's happily, measured perfectly. Only reason to change was I could source a new one, hand carried (with a mosfet RR) over from the USA. :-) No scorching marks/discoloration, I confidently sold the oem on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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