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Hey sports fans, dont know if this topic has been discussed yet, or how I found out if it has....😖😖😖. Looking to buy a K&N air filter, is there any DIY mods to the air box that will improve airflow?

Thanks, Ron

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Understanding how an air box works and the reasons why a stock box is a safer bet...

 

If you have ever had the gas tank off your late-model sportbike, you
will notice that the front of the fuel tank doesn’t hold fuel; it
holds an airbox. In the old days, when you bought a new bike, it had
an air-filter case attached to feed the carburetors or the
fuel-injection intakes. All the sharp, young guys would immediately
rip off the filter case and replace it with four sock filters. Reduced
airflow resistance. Much better performance.

One day in the late 1980s, they began to rip off the airboxes of their
new bikes and their engines fell on their faces. They lost a bunch of
performance. “This can’t be happening! Putting on sock filters always
worked before.” But it turns out the industry found a way to boost
performance by making what is known as a resonant airbox.

We have all in an idle moment blown across the mouth of a beer bottle
and heard the "whoooo" of the bottle resonance. As air goes across the
mouth of the bottle, it creates a low pressure, which causes air to
flow up. That deflects the air away from the mouth of the bottle. Then
the air goes back in, the airflow from your mouth goes back across,
and the cycle repeats, rapidly fluttering and producing that deep
tone. The compressible air in the bottle is acting as a spring, and
the slug of air in the neck of the bottle is the mass that vibrates
against that spring.

This intake airbox from a fuel injected Honda is just a glorified beer
bottle. Instead of the engine blowing across the mouth of it, its four
throttle bodies are sucking from the box, pulling its pressure down.
Air rushes in through the ducts in the fairing to fill up that low
pressure. The next cylinder sucks the bottle pressure down and more
air rushes in and restores the pressure. If the volume of the box and
the mass of the air in the intake pipes are correctly chosen, the box
will hum like the beer bottle.

The trick is to get your engine to draw air from the box when the
pressure is up and then the box refills when the pressure is down. And
that is why ripping the airboxes off and putting on old-time sock
filters resulted in a reduction in performance. In a specific zone of
rpm, a resonant airbox can boost your engine’s torque by 10 percent.
That’s worth having!


My friend Stephen called long distance from England because he just
installed a $900.00 HRC air box on his RC45 and saw 120HP on the
dyno... mmmmm... together we wondered if the stock box be modified???

gallery_3131_51_178065.jpg


We found that stock RC45 throttle bodies are 46mm but the air box was
restricted to 40mm... no problem... I'll bore the air box out to 47mm
on the milling machine...
gallery_3131_51_12643.jpg


I drew up plans for 47mm bell mouth based on the stock 40mm bell
mouths and purchased a block of black Delrin...
gallery_3131_51_61101.jpg


I'm not happy doing repetitious work but I labored long hours to
machine 4 each bell mouths with my best accuracy...
gallery_3131_51_60103.jpg


Don't you love when a plan comes together especially if it turns out
perfect???
gallery_3131_51_73307.jpg


Now I had an unrestricted air box with my own 47mm bell mouths... it
was the best I could do to replicate HRC $900.00 air box... not to
mention I wanted to keep  my home made K&N filter...
gallery_3131_51_44329.jpg


Time to put the Mod to the test on the dyno... this is Dave at Chandelle
Motorsports...
gallery_3131_51_181600.jpg


No joy... I lost 1.8HP on the dyno... so bigger is not better in this
case... a whole week worth of work shot down in flames... it seems
Honda got the intake velocity right for a stock  pipe after all... air
boxes are like tuned instruments... alter the holes and the tune
just makes sour notes and power suffers...
gallery_3131_51_28985.jpg

Mr.RC45 fueling is not the problem... my air box will remain stock
because our air box works like a finely tuned instrument... any wild
ass guess mod disrupts this highly engineered resonant to where to
you're producing nothing but sour notes... The airbox inlet tubes, or
“horns”, are specifically designed to provide a resonance that can
increase the total airflow by up to 10-15%. Second guessing these can
cause the engine to loose power and increase the intake noise as in my
case...
3MfK43U.jpg

RC45's stock intake horns are there for homologation purposes only and
do not directly feed into the airbox only the HRC intakes feed ram air
into the airbox...
IMG_0372.JPG
#18Crated007.JPG

 

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On 2/21/2024 at 7:27 AM, RLoibl said:

Looking to buy a K&N air filter,

 

Hiya Ron... the orange BMC will pass more air than a K&N... but you might need to remap the ECU... K&N are designed to pass just as much air as the stock paper and thus no remapping... 

 

 

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For those interested, Formula one teams did a lot of experimentation with velocity stacks in the 60ties. It was called air resonance charging if I remember correctly. The idea behind was that the air in a long stack with certain conical profile and diameter to length relation could be accelerated in the intake by resonance. There were even books in the engineering section of my school about it. 

I played with this many moons ago on my first underpowered car and limited funds. These were cool times

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Yep they did & that is where the Yoshi-stacks & my big airbox mod came from.
As Larry explains so well, components have to match in the induction & exhaust systems or the harmonics won't work. 

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On 2/22/2024 at 2:27 AM, RLoibl said:

Hey sports fans, dont know if this topic has been discussed yet, or how I found out if it has....😖😖😖. Looking to buy a K&N air filter, is there any DIY mods to the air box that will improve airflow?

Thanks, Ron

Be aware that there are 2 different K&N airfilters, the small 1 pictured above and 1 identical to the BMC above 

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I am not sure why everyone is so worried about the size and filtration of their air filters.  My modified RC51 uses a tiny foam air filer which was also used on other aftermarket airboxes.image.png.e7aa5a04f209f551f806ea697933ddc8.pngimage.png.c0bb45b492b240afd5c993bf2d1658a4.png

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33 minutes ago, VFR750F3 said:

I am not sure why everyone is so worried about the size and filtration of their air filters. 

What do you mean? 

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On 2/22/2024 at 5:43 PM, BusyLittleShop said:

Understanding how an air box works and the reasons why a stock box is a safer bet...

 

If you have ever had the gas tank off your late-model sportbike, you
will notice that the front of the fuel tank doesn’t hold fuel; it
holds an airbox. In the old days, when you bought a new bike, it had
an air-filter case attached to feed the carburetors or the
fuel-injection intakes. All the sharp, young guys would immediately
rip off the filter case and replace it with four sock filters. Reduced
airflow resistance. Much better performance.

One day in the late 1980s, they began to rip off the airboxes of their
new bikes and their engines fell on their faces. They lost a bunch of
performance. “This can’t be happening! Putting on sock filters always
worked before.” But it turns out the industry found a way to boost
performance by making what is known as a resonant airbox.

We have all in an idle moment blown across the mouth of a beer bottle
and heard the "whoooo" of the bottle resonance. As air goes across the
mouth of the bottle, it creates a low pressure, which causes air to
flow up. That deflects the air away from the mouth of the bottle. Then
the air goes back in, the airflow from your mouth goes back across,
and the cycle repeats, rapidly fluttering and producing that deep
tone. The compressible air in the bottle is acting as a spring, and
the slug of air in the neck of the bottle is the mass that vibrates
against that spring.

This intake airbox from a fuel injected Honda is just a glorified beer
bottle. Instead of the engine blowing across the mouth of it, its four
throttle bodies are sucking from the box, pulling its pressure down.
Air rushes in through the ducts in the fairing to fill up that low
pressure. The next cylinder sucks the bottle pressure down and more
air rushes in and restores the pressure. If the volume of the box and
the mass of the air in the intake pipes are correctly chosen, the box
will hum like the beer bottle.

The trick is to get your engine to draw air from the box when the
pressure is up and then the box refills when the pressure is down. And
that is why ripping the airboxes off and putting on old-time sock
filters resulted in a reduction in performance. In a specific zone of
rpm, a resonant airbox can boost your engine’s torque by 10 percent.
That’s worth having!


My friend Stephen called long distance from England because he just
installed a $900.00 HRC air box on his RC45 and saw 120HP on the
dyno... mmmmm... together we wondered if the stock box be modified???

gallery_3131_51_178065.jpg


We found that stock RC45 throttle bodies are 46mm but the air box was
restricted to 40mm... no problem... I'll bore the air box out to 47mm
on the milling machine...
gallery_3131_51_12643.jpg


I drew up plans for 47mm bell mouth based on the stock 40mm bell
mouths and purchased a block of black Delrin...
gallery_3131_51_61101.jpg


I'm not happy doing repetitious work but I labored long hours to
machine 4 each bell mouths with my best accuracy...
gallery_3131_51_60103.jpg


Don't you love when a plan comes together especially if it turns out
perfect???
gallery_3131_51_73307.jpg


Now I had an unrestricted air box with my own 47mm bell mouths... it
was the best I could do to replicate HRC $900.00 air box... not to
mention I wanted to keep  my home made K&N filter...
gallery_3131_51_44329.jpg


Time to put the Mod to the test on the dyno... this is Dave at Chandelle
Motorsports...
gallery_3131_51_181600.jpg


No joy... I lost 1.8HP on the dyno... so bigger is not better in this
case... a whole week worth of work shot down in flames... it seems
Honda got the intake velocity right for a stock  pipe after all... air
boxes are like tuned instruments... alter the holes and the tune
just makes sour notes and power suffers...
gallery_3131_51_28985.jpg

Mr.RC45 fueling is not the problem... my air box will remain stock
because our air box works like a finely tuned instrument... any wild
ass guess mod disrupts this highly engineered resonant to where to
you're producing nothing but sour notes... The airbox inlet tubes, or
“horns”, are specifically designed to provide a resonance that can
increase the total airflow by up to 10-15%. Second guessing these can
cause the engine to loose power and increase the intake noise as in my
case...
3MfK43U.jpg

RC45's stock intake horns are there for homologation purposes only and
do not directly feed into the airbox only the HRC intakes feed ram air
into the airbox...
IMG_0372.JPG
#18Crated007.JPG

 

 

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