Member Contributer gig Posted April 11, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 11, 2015 I could not tell any difference between balanced or offset at idol, and been advised throttle response may be better with offset so went offset this time. there is a video on youtube from motion pro sync showing how to use, make sure the small restricters are in the hoses and at the bike end of the hose. #3 was off about 30mmhg since last sync 2 yrs ago, before breaking and chasing mercury around the garage, the two headed mice seem much lager now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted April 11, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 11, 2015 I could not tell any difference between balanced or offset at idol, and been advised throttle response may be better with offset so went offset this time. there is a video on youtube from motion pro sync showing how to use, make sure the small restricters are in the hoses and at the bike end of the hose. #3 was off about 30mmhg since last sync 2 yrs ago, before breaking and chasing mercury around the garage, the two headed mice seem much lager now. That mite explain the 25 mpg's ? I would pull the plugs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer gig Posted April 11, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 11, 2015 Plugs look good, full system w/ air box mods, custom PC map, and having to keep RPM's between 6-11000 trying and keep you in site, and your just cruising at 4000rpm pointing out all the scenery when I'm trying to focus on not blowing the next turn = 25mpg ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Terry Posted April 13, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 13, 2015 I used the motion pro today works great as good or better then mercury. Has 40cmhg max = 400mmhg, I gave each line 15mmhg value to stagger vacuum levels per manual. I checked my Motion Pro against the gauge on my vacuum bleeder. The blue fluid response seems non linear vs a vac gauge, but I would say if anything each unit is a bit less than 10mm Hg. I'd also agree that off idle response doesn't seem much different balanced or staggered. So long as they're near enough the idle sounds alright to me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer gig Posted April 13, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 13, 2015 Terry, Thx for checking against a gauge, that really helps! i was giving them a value based on motionpro having a max of 400mmHg, but did not know if that was within measurements or end to end and no one at motionpro new either. So i figured 12.5-17.5 and split the difference at 15mmHg, knowing +_5 would keep me within tolerance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer evl_twn Posted April 14, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 14, 2015 This thing is the business, but it ain't cheap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misspent Youth Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I've got the Vacuumate and that's what allowed me to duplicate the factory 5th gen settings. Got lucky and found mine used. Great tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Duc2V4 Posted April 16, 2015 Author Member Contributer Share Posted April 16, 2015 How's this for coincidence, on one of the other forums I frequent, a member was selling his Motion Pro Sync Pro for $75 (shipped from AZ), so I pulled the trigger. Although I was leaning in the other direction earlier (Emgo style), I figured this was a sign. We'll see how it goes and I'll update the class once I get a chance to work with it. Cheers I never thought I would be quoting myself but the seller text me yesterday and said that UPS called him to tell him that there was an accident and that one of the drivers ran over a pallet of boxes, thus crushing the one headed for me! So back to the drawing board...From unobtanium to outright pricey, looks like unless I find the Kawa Seiki or the VacuumMate at a decent price, I'll be heading toward the Emgo style like I was originally planning. Just waiting for my refund from the seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer DFerrell Posted April 16, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 16, 2015 So I have yet to synch my starter valves and the only tool I have now is the board with the long tubing and ATF inside. It worked great on my ninja 250 and made the little beast idle and run great but I'm wondering how I could use it for the vfr. I was thinking 3 are adjustable, one is fixed. Hook up one end of the tubing to the fixed and synch all three to that one. Then go buy a simple vacuum gauge (one dial) and hook that one up to the one that needs to be lower by a certain amount and back it off using the dial. Any reason that would not work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Terry Posted April 16, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 16, 2015 I think doing one adjustable starter valve at a time would be ok just more time consuming. Assuming you're working on a 5th gen the valves are not all synched exactly to the fixed one, two of them are offset and by different amounts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 So I have yet to synch my starter valves and the only tool I have now is the board with the long tubing and ATF inside. It worked great on my ninja 250 and made the little beast idle and run great but I'm wondering how I could use it for the vfr. I was thinking 3 are adjustable, one is fixed. Hook up one end of the tubing to the fixed and synch all three to that one. Then go buy a simple vacuum gauge (one dial) and hook that one up to the one that needs to be lower by a certain amount and back it off using the dial. Any reason that would not work? Keep in mind, as you're adjusting the vacuum of one cylinder, the vacuum of the other three will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Terry Posted April 20, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 20, 2015 Now why would the vacuum change between 1 and 2 by adjusting say 3? I can understand that idle speed might change but I can't see how that would affect the relative vacuum difference between the other two valves. Not saying you're wrong I just don't understand why that would occur. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veefer800Canuck Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 if the idle speed changes, you're moving either more or less air through the engine. this affects the vacuum readings on all cylinders. I just did mine, and set them all flat, equal with cyl #1 and it runs perfectly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 ^^^ Plus one on everything he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllWeather Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I just did mine, and set them all flat, equal with cyl #1 and it runs perfectly! On my 2004 the fixed cylinder is #4 and allothers get balanced to that one are the later models diferent ? (Assuming you have a 2010 from your sig ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer FJ12Ryder Posted April 27, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 27, 2015 While installing my PAIR block-off plates I decided I'd check and sync the starter valves. The HSM seems a bit odd when it comes to the starter valves. It shows there are 4 of them, notes that #1 is non-adjustable, lists the adjustments for 3 and 4, but totally omits the setting for #2. So I set them evenly and I guess I'll see how that works out. I used my Morgan CarbTune and it worked like a champ. The graduations are in cm so it's fairly easy to set them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Terry Posted April 27, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 27, 2015 The service manual could be written more clearly. What it does say (and I'm paraphrasing here) is to set them all the same, then offset 3 and 4. That means that 2 stays the same as 1. TBH I'm not sure whether the offset makes much difference to an even set up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer FJ12Ryder Posted April 27, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted April 27, 2015 Okay, I went back downstairs and reread the pertinent paragraph, and it now makes sense. Thank you for the explanation. It's clear as day after you know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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