Member Contributer Mohawk Posted August 12, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 Well thanks to Gig for starting me off on this, he happened to confirm info another friend told me that the CBR1000RR stands are alloy & that he had bought one to try on his 5th gen. So with some starter info, I decide I would follow suit & bought a complete secondhand almost new stand from a bike that was turned into a race bike. Now due to the mounting holes not being the same, Gig, used the 800 mount & CBR stand. I decided I'd try to use the CBR mount, so set to work. Parts required CBR1000RR (08-14) side stand complete. The tools for the job & a piece of 60x21x21mm alloy block. So using the CBR mount has some issues, if you don't have a centre stand its an easy swap. The stand switch is on the back of the stand & is plug in at the switch so if you keep that you may need the CBR switch wiring. I don't use the switch, so over to you on that one. There is a threaded lug on the left of the mount for a bolt, I cut this off flush, so I didn't have to remove much fairing. The other issue is the spring for the stand will rub on the centre stand when down if you do it. It's fine when the centre stand is up, not really an issue. Also the springs & pivot interferes with the very end of the left fairing panel, so you have to chop an inch off the very end by the stand. So the lower bolt of the 800 stand can be reused for the left hole on the CBR bracket. Will look like this;- With the stand in the down position you need to cut & shape the alloy block to fit between the upper bolt on the cushion & the right hole of the stand. Drill 10mm holes on 36mm centres. equal distance from each end, then shape block like this, angled on the back to clear the cushion, straight across on the other side;- You will need an M10x1.25 (or 1.5)mm bolt (35mm long) and nut to suit. Now bolt it up like this, remember to use thread lock;- So bike on stand will look like this;- And if you add nice new Ti bolts/nuts it looks like this;- Old stand plus bolts = 981grams New stand plus bolts = 515grams Saving = 466grams or 16.6oz, or just over a pound of weight. Have fun :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raoufhakam Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 may I ask the question WHY? what the purpose/ benefit of swapping an Alloy CBR stand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Mohawk Posted August 12, 2014 Author Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 Just for the hell of it & to save a little weight :) You are obviously not aware of the 30Kg I have taken off the weight of this bike, every little helps :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raoufhakam Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Just for the hell of it & to save a little weight :) You are obviously not aware of the 30Kg I have taken off the weight of this bike, every little helps :) cool, i'll go ahead and steal the kickstand from my brother's '08 CBR1000RR after he leaves for vacation hmmm, I also wonder what else might have you done to take those 30kg off? I've always been curious about what can be done to make this 520lb tank a little lighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Mohawk Posted August 12, 2014 Author Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 Do a search for my posts & or "10 year refresh" threads. But a quick recap is as follows;- Carbon front wheel, vtr1000 fork lowers, cbr929 brakes, wavey discs, ti wheel spindle, ti nuts/bolts all round = -4.5Kg unsprung weight Carbon rear wheel, vfr400 rear axle/brakes, custom cush drive, single brake line, ti/alloy bolts all round = -7Kg unsprung weight Alloy & Ti bolts to replace most around the bike & engine, PAIR & linked brake removal, removal of surplus brackets = -6Kg Light weight end can = -4Kg Lighter weight headers = -3.5Kg Coil on Plug conversion = -1Kg Custom silicone hoses with alloy pipe work & electric water pump, = -.5Kg (silicone is heavier than Rubber !) Custom Ti swingarm pivot & some major bolts = -1Kg Coolant tank replacement = -.75Kg Plus some other random parts = -2Kg ---------------------------------------------------- Total = -30Kg for a full wet weight inc full fuel tank of 214Kg measured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raoufhakam Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 oh well, thanks none of these sounds affordable to me all (or at least most) of these mods are out of my "student-tight" budget, I kinda like the mods that falls within the price range of: free - $20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer CornerCarver Posted August 12, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 oh well, thanks none of these sounds affordable to me all (or at least most) of these mods are out of my "student-tight" budget, I kinda like the mods that falls within the price range of: free - $20 Then you should skip a meal or two, pocket the $avings and reduce weight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raoufhakam Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Then you should skip a meal or two, pocket the $avings and reduce weight... that's the only mod I've done so far (and the cheapest), dropped 30lb in the past 6 months , wonder if feeding my bike less fuel would also work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer gig Posted August 12, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 My first thought in using this side stand was the added half inch in length, which if you have raised the rear end, is needed. The new alloy side stand for only $80.00 an added bonus. Thanks Mohawk for all your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted August 12, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 oh yes! Another mod! I will have to see if this can be done on a 4th gen too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 It can be done, but make sure that the aluminum stand can take the weight of the VFR. The replacement aluminum stand should be noicably beefier than the steel one it replaces. Remember, aluminum is softer, and more prone to crack when flexed too much, which can happen with a sidestand if it's not designed beefy enough.. I'm wondering if Titanium might be a better choice for replacing the sidestand? Another area where a 4th (& 3rd, I suspect) gen can lose heavy steel is the lower triple clamp...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dustin Posted August 12, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 Do a search for my posts & or "10 year refresh" threads. But a quick recap is as follows;- Carbon front wheel, vtr1000 fork lowers, cbr929 brakes, wavey discs, ti wheel spindle, ti nuts/bolts all round = -4.5Kg unsprung weight Carbon rear wheel, vfr400 rear axle/brakes, custom cush drive, single brake line, ti/alloy bolts all round = -7Kg unsprung weight Alloy & Ti bolts to replace most around the bike & engine, PAIR & linked brake removal, removal of surplus brackets = -6Kg Light weight end can = -4Kg Lighter weight headers = -3.5Kg Coil on Plug conversion = -1Kg Custom silicone hoses with alloy pipe work & electric water pump, = -.5Kg (silicone is heavier than Rubber !) Custom Ti swingarm pivot & some major bolts = -1Kg Coolant tank replacement = -.75Kg Plus some other random parts = -2Kg ---------------------------------------------------- Total = -30Kg for a full wet weight inc full fuel tank of 214Kg measured. All that for 30 kg. You're better off going on a diet and riding naked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rush2112 Posted August 12, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 Do a search for my posts & or "10 year refresh" threads. But a quick recap is as follows;- Carbon front wheel, vtr1000 fork lowers, cbr929 brakes, wavey discs, ti wheel spindle, ti nuts/bolts all round = -4.5Kg unsprung weight Carbon rear wheel, vfr400 rear axle/brakes, custom cush drive, single brake line, ti/alloy bolts all round = -7Kg unsprung weight Alloy & Ti bolts to replace most around the bike & engine, PAIR & linked brake removal, removal of surplus brackets = -6Kg Light weight end can = -4Kg Lighter weight headers = -3.5Kg Coil on Plug conversion = -1Kg Custom silicone hoses with alloy pipe work & electric water pump, = -.5Kg (silicone is heavier than Rubber !) Custom Ti swingarm pivot & some major bolts = -1Kg Coolant tank replacement = -.75Kg Plus some other random parts = -2Kg ---------------------------------------------------- Total = -30Kg for a full wet weight inc full fuel tank of 214Kg measured. All that for 30 kg. You're better off going on a diet and riding naked Yeah, but you'ld still have a bike that weighs over 530 lbs... getting it down to 214kg and more importantly the reduction in unsprung wieght will make a huge improvement in handling and performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dustin Posted August 12, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 Valid point but why not just buy a sport bike and save 50 kg out of the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raoufhakam Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Valid point but why not just buy a sport bike and save 50 kg out of the box? and then spend about the same to shred 30kg of the already lighter sportbike no matter how light or powerful manufacturer's make their bikes. customers will always take an extra step to shred couple of pounds and/or gaining few hp, one can never have enough "power : weight" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dustin Posted August 12, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 Actually, I'm wrong. I was being too cynical. It's actually really cool that someone would spend their time and money to do something unique or unconventional to improve or customise their bike. Ignore me, carry on :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Mohawk Posted August 12, 2014 Author Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 show me the V4 sportsbike I can buy for $600 Canadian & I'll go buy it ! :) I just did 2600mile tour of Europe the VFR is a very comfortable bike for me & being a bit taller & older, a 600/1000cc pocket rockets are not comfortable for me over distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer gig Posted August 12, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 Valid point but why not just buy a sport bike and save 50 kg out of the box? and then spend about the same to shred 30kg of the already lighter sportbike no matter how light or powerful manufacturer's make their bikes. customers will always take an extra step to shred couple of pounds and/or gaining few hp, one can never have enough "power : weight" Sorry, thought this was VFRD, where vfr owners shared there ideas, thoughts, and help to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted August 12, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 12, 2014 That's a cool looking bolt on aluminum side stand... Race bred sport bikes are either holding or dropping weight where asthe trend in Sport Touring bikes are gaining weight... so if you wishto enjoy a light weight Sport Touring machine you're going to have goit alone and modify it yourself because S/T riders don't complainloud enough about weight for the manufactures to reverse the weightgain trend you see in today's market... its a crying shame too becausea lighter motorcycle will generally perform better due to a superiorpower to weight ratio and because, all else being equal, a lightermotorcycle will generally handle better than a heavier one. Inhigh-performance motorcycles, lighter weight is associated withadvanced technology, good design, and more expensive and exoticmaterials, while a motorcycle whose weight is greater than expectedcan be perceived as lacking these good qualities... I faithfully copied the stock steel stand in 7075 T6 aluminum in orderto drop weight and increase corner clearance (the stock steel standhad already touched the highway 3 times) but every time I adjusted thebike's ride height or added a rear tire of increased diameter I addedmetal to the bottom of my stand to gain a normal kickstand leanangle... currently Mr.RC45 is up 12mm to the base metal... I sold another one for $500... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'm going shopping for a side stand... Since i have no fairings, lightweight wheels,one rad instead of 2,and the usual streetfighter mods, I'm hoping i should be under 200kgs wet. Another half kilo or so would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer CornerCarver Posted August 13, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 13, 2014 Valid point but why not just buy a sport bike and save 50 kg out of the box? Which V4 Honda sport bike would you recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dustin Posted August 13, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 13, 2014 Valid point but why not just buy a sport bike and save 50 kg out of the box? Which V4 Honda sport bike would you recommend? RCV1000R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted August 13, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 13, 2014 RCV1000R The nearest V4 to a Honda RCV1000R is currently on Ebay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/171416536893?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Mohawk Posted August 13, 2014 Author Member Contributer Share Posted August 13, 2014 V nice, but Larry's is MUCH nicer :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raoufhakam Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Valid point but why not just buy a sport bike and save 50 kg out of the box? Which V4 Honda sport bike would you recommend? a 5th gen VFR800 with these mods: Carbon front wheel, vtr1000 fork lowers, cbr929 brakes, wavey discs, ti wheel spindle, ti nuts/bolts all round = -4.5Kg unsprung weight Carbon rear wheel, vfr400 rear axle/brakes, custom cush drive, single brake line, ti/alloy bolts all round = -7Kg unsprung weight Alloy & Ti bolts to replace most around the bike & engine, PAIR & linked brake removal, removal of surplus brackets = -6Kg Light weight end can = -4Kg Lighter weight headers = -3.5Kg Coil on Plug conversion = -1Kg Custom silicone hoses with alloy pipe work & electric water pump, = -.5Kg (silicone is heavier than Rubber !) Custom Ti swingarm pivot & some major bolts = -1Kg Coolant tank replacement = -.75Kg Plus some other random parts = -2Kg ---------------------------------------------------- Total = -30Kg for a full wet weight inc full fuel tank of 214Kg measured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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