Member Contributer hvfrdave Posted January 31, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted January 31, 2016 Whilst I have been tempted by the re-flash, I am still struggling to find a reason to do it. As you imply yr going to do, get it, ride it and then make decisions. I'm with you on that one Skids, the only advantage of the reflash over the Z Bomb is the gear indicator working properly , so it's a lot of money and a risk in posting your ECU just for that. The beauty of having a separate fueling module is, you can always adjust the A/Fuel to whatever Air Filter, Exhaust set up you have, by either downloading another map to suite, or preferably getting a Taylor made map on a dyno with a technician that knows what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Skids Posted January 31, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted January 31, 2016 Whilst I have been tempted by the re-flash, I am still struggling to find a reason to do it. As you imply yr going to do, get it, ride it and then make decisions. I'm with you on that one Skids, the only advantage of the reflash over the Z Bomb is the gear indicator working properly , so it's a lot of money and a risk in posting your ECU just for that. Why do you lose the gear indicator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer hvfrdave Posted January 31, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted January 31, 2016 On the gear indicator display, it only shows 3rd 4th 5th and 6th, but its not really a issue, you still have the neutral light indicator, I have never found it to be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Skids Posted January 31, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted January 31, 2016 On the gear indicator display, it only shows 3rd 4th 5th and 6th, but its not really a issue, you still have the neutral light indicator, I have never found it to be a problem. Is that just with the Z-bomb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer hvfrdave Posted January 31, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted January 31, 2016 On the gear indicator display, it only shows 3rd 4th 5th and 6th, but its not really a issue, you still have the neutral light indicator, I have never found it to be a problem. Is that just with the Z-bomb? Yes, with the Z-bomb, but its the best value for money, you will ever spend on the VFR1200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Skids Posted January 31, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted January 31, 2016 On the gear indicator display, it only shows 3rd 4th 5th and 6th, but its not really a issue, you still have the neutral light indicator, I have never found it to be a problem. Is that just with the Z-bomb? Yes, with the Z-bomb, but its the best value for money, you will ever spend on the VFR1200. I can't imagine how mine could be better as it is. Smoother than a smooth thing, easy on the throttle at low revs, pulls like a train....don't know what else I need really. Perhaps with time I'll want the restrictions in 1/2/3/6 lifting but I haven't found an issue there so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lshark Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 i've ridden flashed and unflashed back to back.....the overall rideability is greatly improved with the reflash....on/off throttle response is perfect....it's not about the power....it's about perfect fueling.....stock is nowhere close the z bomb is a bandage..... the reflash is a cure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
750 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 i've ridden flashed and unflashed back to back.....the overall rideability is greatly improved with the reflash....on/off throttle response is perfect....it's not about the power....it's about perfect fueling.....stock is nowhere close the z bomb is a bandage..... the reflash is a cure Do the same thing, though. So hardly a bandage. How much are Z-bombs in the UK? I can't seem to find a price, only US$ prices on Ebay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Skids Posted January 31, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted January 31, 2016 i've ridden flashed and unflashed back to back.....the overall rideability is greatly improved with the reflash....on/off throttle response is perfect....it's not about the power....it's about perfect fueling.....stock is nowhere close the z bomb is a bandage..... the reflash is a cure Like I said, I can't fault mine, it's as near perfect fuelling as I've ever ridden. <shrug.gif> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer hvfrdave Posted January 31, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted January 31, 2016 There is nothing wrong with the Z-bomb, as I said earlier. i've ridden flashed and unflashed back to back.....the overall rideability is greatly improved with the reflash....on/off throttle response is perfect....it's not about the power....it's about perfect fueling.....stock is nowhere close the z bomb is a bandage..... the reflash is a cure Do the same thing, though. So hardly a bandage. How much are Z-bombs in the UK? I can't seem to find a price, only US$ prices on Ebay I use to give a lot of advice on this forum, but for what ever reason, it was thrown back in my face, so I just don't bother as much now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanmenie Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 I can't imagine how mine could be better as it is. Smoother than a smooth thing, easy on the throttle at low revs, pulls like a train....don't know what else I need really. Perhaps with time I'll want the restrictions in 1/2/3/6 lifting but I haven't found an issue there so far.Skids UK bikes are only restricted 1st 2nd and 6th. The Z Bomb tricks the ECU into thinking the bike is in 3rd gear so it applies full power, but it is therefore also telling the gear display that the bike in in 3rd gear It's the heavily restricted Belgian and French bikes that are also restricted in 3rd. And yes the newer models do seem very smooth but I can feel the restriction in 1st and 2nd I'll be fitting my Z Bomb as soon as I've finished running mine in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lshark Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 z bomb doesn't do anywhere near what the Reflash does.....i've tried them all.... suit yourselves......i thought the same thing, being that i had the z bomb and Z-Fi on my 2010 for 30,000 mile, i felt, well at least i'll have the gear position indicator back...i didn't think the overall difference would be much.....i was shocked by how much better the bike functioned overall with the reflash.....but...suit yourselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanmenie Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 z bomb doesn't do anywhere near what the Reflash does.....i've tried them all.... suit yourselves......i thought the same thing, being that i had the z bomb and Z-Fi on my 2010 for 30,000 mile, i felt, well at least i'll have the gear position indicator back...i didn't think the overall difference would be much.....i was shocked by how much better the bike functioned overall with the reflash.....but...suit yourselves That's interesting to know, thanks Ishark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artfulkatana Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Stupid question that's probably somewhere else, but what reflash are you talking about? Which tuning company? Is it something you have to send the ECU in for, or a handheld? Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lshark Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Guhl Motors in Pennsylvania http://www.guhlmotors.com/ send it in, quick turnaround $375.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer hvfrdave Posted January 31, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted January 31, 2016 z bomb doesn't do anywhere near what the Reflash does.....i've tried them all.... suit yourselves......i thought the same thing, being that i had the z bomb and Z-Fi on my 2010 for 30,000 mile, i felt, well at least i'll have the gear position indicator back...i didn't think the overall difference would be much.....i was shocked by how much better the bike functioned overall with the reflash.....but...suit yourselves For fook sake, the Z-bomb only does what it is suppose to do, and that is to override the restrictions in 1st and 2nd gear, it is not a fuel module. The Guhi re-flash is a totally different kettle of fish. Instead of knocking the Z-bomb, how about having like for like for fook sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted February 1, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted February 1, 2016 z bomb doesn't do anywhere near what the Reflash does.....i've tried them all.... suit yourselves......i thought the same thing, being that i had the z bomb and Z-Fi on my 2010 for 30,000 mile, i felt, well at least i'll have the gear position indicator back...i didn't think the overall difference would be much.....i was shocked by how much better the bike functioned overall with the reflash.....but...suit yourselves For fook sake, the Z-bomb only does what it is suppose to do, and that is to override the restrictions in 1st and 2nd gear, it is not a fuel module. The Guhi re-flash is a totally different kettle of fish. Instead of knocking the Z-bomb, how about having like for like for fook sake. He is always interesting to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Skids Posted February 1, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted February 1, 2016 Hey, I'm not trying to knock either the Z-bomb or the Guhl re-flash - hell I've been considering the re-flash for a while now, it's just I don't see where the fuelling on mine could be better. But you are very insistent that it is better so it would be very interesting to try one, albeit an unlikely occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volfy Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Mods are a personal thing. To some riders, there are a bunch of must-have before they are happy with the bike. I prefer to "fix" things that really need fixing. The VFR1200's fueling at crawling speeds does leave a bit to be desired, but it isn't the worst I've ridden. And realistically, even if that's perfectly fixed, crawling at parking lot speeds isn't something I enjoy doing on any bike... just something to put up with when I have to. Once the big Viffer gets going a bit, I can't find fault in its fueling anywhere for general riding. Some big bikes I've had, like the ZX14R, have fueling that behave a bit better at low revs and low speeds, but there is no getting around the fact that these big bikes have big lungs and are tuned to breathe deep... and they are happiest when I let them. VFR1200 isn't much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted February 1, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted February 1, 2016 Fueling issues? NEVER heard of them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lshark Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 you should put some goldfish or a lobster in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer CornerCarver Posted February 2, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted February 2, 2016 There is nothing wrong with the Z-bomb, as I said earlier. i've ridden flashed and unflashed back to back.....the overall rideability is greatly improved with the reflash....on/off throttle response is perfect....it's not about the power....it's about perfect fueling.....stock is nowhere close the z bomb is a bandage..... the reflash is a cure Do the same thing, though. So hardly a bandage. How much are Z-bombs in the UK? I can't seem to find a price, only US$ prices on Ebay I use to give a lot of advice on this forum, but for what ever reason, it was thrown back in my face, so I just don't bother as much now. I hope that you don't feel anyone is throwing anything back in your face. I like to hear passionate opinions from those who have personal knowledge of a topic that I am reading. I value your input whether or not I agree with your point of view. Same for all on here, some I just ignore sooner than others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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