Member Contributer Duc2V4 Posted March 17, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted March 17, 2014 Nice writeup!! I found out that since the secondary master cylinder fills up from the rear master cylinder, and it is directly connected. I was able to bleed the rear caliper center piston just from pushing on the rear brake pedal instead of pushing the secondary master cylinder in and then re-filling it up by hitting the rear brake again. Also I cant find the right side proportion valve and I looked all over the area, where the heck is it? It has been noted in another thread that the right PCV is only on the ABS models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeromagic Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I was looking at my non-ABS bike today and it has a right side PCV. The Honda Service Manual says it's there too. It's behind the right seat rail cover - that black triangular piece of plastic just ahead of the rear brake reservoir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Duc2V4 Posted March 18, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted March 18, 2014 I was looking at my non-ABS bike today and it has a right side PCV. The Honda Service Manual says it's there too. It's behind the right seat rail cover - that black triangular piece of plastic just ahead of the rear brake reservoir. I think the reference was for a bleed point on the right PCV, does yours have a bleeder on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeromagic Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Yes - it's got a proportion valve on the right side with a bleed valve on it. And great write-up BTW jay-d - nice work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeromagic Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Probably should add that mine's a Canadian model. Maybe it's different because of that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Duc2V4 Posted March 19, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted March 19, 2014 I'm thinking that Honda may have had the bleeder on earlier 6 Gens and probably removed it on later versions. Maybe about the same time they changed the VTEC engagement, (2006+) Here's some pics of the right PCV on my '09, you'll notice no bleeder, Hmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VietHorse Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 And this is RIGHT thread which I wanted to SEE and FOLLOW. Thank you, guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Skids Posted April 14, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted April 14, 2014 Huge thanks jay-d; yesterday I completed a full bleed of the whole system on my '08 ABS. Used conventional method and it worked a treat. Brakes feel nice & tight but will have to wait until the winds drop below 80mph before trying her out. Excellent "How To". Now that the weather has improved, the 6th Gen is getting a lot of miles put on it and I am very happy to report that the brakes are awesome. Thanks for taking the time to complete that DiY guide, it's brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearfreezing Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Great thread! Thanks for posting the how-to, came in handy when trying to figure out the rear hydraulics. This process took about 3 hours. If I had to do it again, I could do it in 1. Mechanically it's not tremendously challenging, the hardest part is accessing the center bleed screw on the rear caliper. Other notes: -Fancy expensive metal Mityvac was useless for this job. It pulled in far too much air through the threads of the bleed screw and I had to finish bleeding air with a gravity bleed or engaging the brake lever/pedal. A snugly fitting hose on the bleed screw and a waste bottle were all that were necessary. -My 2002 non-ABS does not have a bleed screw on the rear PCV. -Both the clutch and front brake master cylinders are seeping fluid post-bleed, because the diaphragms are a one-time use only item. Will replace them ASAP. -I used a $1 condiment squeeze bottle from Sprawlmart (kitchen section) to add brake fluid to the master cylinders--much less messy than trying to pour directly from the bottle. -Took about 700mL of fluid. If I did it again, I could probably do it with <400mL. -Did my best to be careful, but brake fluid still got everywhere. Next time I'd use more protection for the ground and the motorcycle. I wrapped a rag around the front master cylinder to catch any spills. Also, I wiped up spills/splashes immediately with a wet rag. After the bleeding was done, I double checked all the areas vulnerable to splashes for brake fluid, then washed down parts of the motorcycle that were (potentially) exposed to brake fluid. Not as bad of a job as I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted May 17, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted May 17, 2014 Install the Galfer full S.S. brake and clutch kit today . Just use the old turkey baster and manually pump up the system with no problems .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearfreezing Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 When replacing the fluid, it's a good chance to lubricate the tip of the master cylinder piston, where the brake lever makes contact with it. I used silicone brake caliper grease per the shop manual, and the lever slides much more smoothly now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roebling3 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Metallican525, others: I believe Hondas' and other manufacturers concern regarding the re-use of bolts is relative to bolt stretch under prescribed torque values. when used the 1st time the bolts are resilient and in many instances do not need thread locker or lock washers. When bolts are used the 2nd and subsequent times they harden and no longer provide the inherent tension of a new bolt. Good fortune, R3~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jotasv Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Just wanted to say thanks for a great write up. Just bled my system with no issues at all. I borrowed a friends mityvac but soon gave up with that. I tried it on the clutch first as its less complicated but this device just pulled in air through the threads of the bleed nipple. So brakes were bled conventionally and it was fine. sent via Pony Express Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer FJ12Ryder Posted August 23, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 23, 2014 Aha! You've found the main problem with a MityVac. When they work right they are great, but most of the time they just pull air past the threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jotasv Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Aha! You've found the main problem with a MityVac. When they work right they are great, but most of the time they just pull air past the threads. I'm just glad I borrowed it from a friend and didn't buy the thing. sent via Pony Express Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faran Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Guys, I am planning to replace all brake fluid in my 2004 VFR800. Any tips or tricks or things I should watch for and pay special attention? Should I just follow the write up step by step and it should be fine? Thanks very much for helping out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer FJ12Ryder Posted October 8, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted October 8, 2014 Follow the book and you should have no issues. Watch the master cylinder closely and don't let it run dry, that's a bad thing. ABS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faran Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Thanks FJ12. I am planning to follow step by step this tutorial. Should I consult book too or this is enough? I don’t think so it’s ABS, because I don’t see any ABS light on the cluster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer FJ12Ryder Posted October 8, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted October 8, 2014 This is plenty. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faran Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Thanks, just realized mine is NOT ABS and this DIY is for an ABS version. Would it differ in procedure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Duc2V4 Posted October 8, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted October 8, 2014 The ABS. Model has two proportional valves, other than that the procedure is basically the same. It really means that there is one less step. The guide here is really good and this is what I used in conjunction with the Honda Service Manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faran Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Hey guys, so I just followed the instructions, couple of questions I have: 1- With front lever only two front bleeders are bled, correct? 2-With rear lever and front left caliper cylinder bleeder close to battery is bled? 3- Both Rear bleeders are bled from rear brake ONLY? 4- Front left center bleeder is bled from rear brake again? Please see pictures of my brake pads(first two rear and last for front) and advise if they need replacement, plus rear brake is hanging out of caliper and front both are locked. How to put them back? Thanks for helping out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Nice write up!! Want to mention I never did the Manual pumping of the SMC and never had any Dramas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer gig Posted October 10, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted October 10, 2014 My experience, I did not do the SMC pump, and did have dramas, untill I found this write up a week later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer FJ12Ryder Posted October 11, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted October 11, 2014 I didn't do the SMC pump either and had no issues, but my '99 doesn't have ABS either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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