Member Contributer sa1713 Posted August 22, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 22, 2009 Pouring over the many threads trying to see what the difference between a Two Brothers header and the Erion header that fits on the 5th/6th gens. I know that they are brothers who had a falling out but not much beyond that. Any info would be appreciated. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2FAST4U Posted August 22, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 22, 2009 I don't know the answer to your question, but why would you want aftermarket headers? The ones on your '98 are catless and, from what I've seen, are the most desirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer sa1713 Posted August 22, 2009 Author Member Contributer Share Posted August 22, 2009 Yes, I do have a great set that has been ceramic coated. Just looking for a set of stainless that would last much longer and drop some weight too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2FAST4U Posted August 22, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 22, 2009 Are you aware the aftermarkets run $700+? Any decrease in weight will be negligible (and certainly not noticeable.) As for longevity, I've never heard of headers going bad. Regardless, best of luck to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 My header is looking terrible .Lots of surface rust .I`m thinking this winter replacing them with a Delkovic header . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 As for longevity, I've never heard of headers going bad. In areas where roads are salted to prevent icing, headers go south very quickly - heat cycling and salt are a tough combination. Very big problem in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 These guys are replicating my '83 VF750F V&H headers for $350: www.meccom.com That's with me doing my own welding. I would guess $450-500 to have them do a VFR header complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer sa1713 Posted August 23, 2009 Author Member Contributer Share Posted August 23, 2009 Seb, thanks for the offer. I'm just trying to find out if the TBR header is the same dimensionally as the Erion. I believe the Erion is 38mm OD but I don't know the OD of the TBR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer mello dude Posted August 23, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 23, 2009 Seb, thanks for the offer.I'm just trying to find out if the TBR header is the same dimensionally as the Erion. I believe the Erion is 38mm OD but I don't know the OD of the TBR. I have always wanted to know the differences in pipe size from a '98 to a TBR to a Erion. Those aftermarket headers are very rare. MD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer vfrcapn Posted August 23, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 23, 2009 Seb, thanks for the offer.I'm just trying to find out if the TBR header is the same dimensionally as the Erion. I believe the Erion is 38mm OD but I don't know the OD of the TBR. I have always wanted to know the differences in pipe size from a '98 to a TBR to a Erion. Those aftermarket headers are very rare. MD I can measure the Tbros OD if you want, iirc they're a couple mm larger than oem. The info is on the site here somewhere. I see an Erion set just sold on eBay. Exhaust.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer mello dude Posted August 23, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 23, 2009 Seb, thanks for the offer.I'm just trying to find out if the TBR header is the same dimensionally as the Erion. I believe the Erion is 38mm OD but I don't know the OD of the TBR. I have always wanted to know the differences in pipe size from a '98 to a TBR to a Erion. Those aftermarket headers are very rare. MD I can measure the Tbros OD if you want, iirc they're a couple mm larger than oem. The info is on the site here somewhere. I see an Erion set just sold on eBay. ] Exhaust.JPG Cool - Are they 4 into 1? I wonder what the power curve differences are like? --Looks like a pain to install..... MD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer sa1713 Posted August 24, 2009 Author Member Contributer Share Posted August 24, 2009 I can measure the Tbros OD if you want, iirc they're a couple mm larger than oem. The info is on the site here somewhere. I believe OEM 98-99 are 36 OD. I could not find spec data for the TBR. Does the outlet match up with the OEM location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer VFR Capt.Bob Posted August 24, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 24, 2009 I wasn't even aware TBR or Erion sold aftermarket for the 5th gen vfr anymore. I think the Delkovac are the most cost effective stainless headers I've seen offered for the 98-01 vfrs. They are on Ebay for about 265 if I remember right. My 86 came stock with stainless headers. Dont know why Honda started cheaping out on the later models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer JZH Posted August 24, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 24, 2009 I can measure the Tbros OD if you want, iirc they're a couple mm larger than oem. The info is on the site here somewhere. I see an Erion set just sold on eBay. Nooooooo! How did I miss it?!? I don't care if it's Erion or TBR (I'd happily pay BIG bucks for either one...) but I suppose it would be nice to know the differences, if there are any. Erion Racing was allegedly formed by one of the "Two Brothers" following a huge argument, after which they refused to speak to one another. No idea if that ever was true or it still is, but as neither of them will agree to make any more 5th-gen headers, I've got no use for either of them! Ciao, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Kamzilla Posted August 25, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 25, 2009 Not to post jack, but for the guys with Two Bros headers, have you been able to find any non-two bros exhausts that will fit? I've got an extra Yosh can, but it's no go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer vfrcapn Posted August 26, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 26, 2009 I can measure the Tbros OD if you want, iirc they're a couple mm larger than oem. The info is on the site here somewhere. I believe OEM 98-99 are 36 OD. I could not find spec data for the TBR. Does the outlet match up with the OEM location? The Tbros are just over 38mm OD. I haven't tried fitting a different exhaust to the header so I'm not sure if the outlet is in the same position or angle as oem. I do know Tbros sold a low and high mount full system but I don't know if those were the same header w/ different mid pipes or different headers. I need to replace the exhaust gasket (I have a leak between the header and mid pipe), when I do I'll try to slip the stock 5th gen pipe on the header and see if it lines up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer vfrcapn Posted August 26, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 26, 2009 I can measure the Tbros OD if you want, iirc they're a couple mm larger than oem. The info is on the site here somewhere. I see an Erion set just sold on eBay. Nooooooo! How did I miss it?!? I don't care if it's Erion or TBR (I'd happily pay BIG bucks for either one...) but I suppose it would be nice to know the differences, if there are any. Erion Racing was allegedly formed by one of the "Two Brothers" following a huge argument, after which they refused to speak to one another. No idea if that ever was true or it still is, but as neither of them will agree to make any more 5th-gen headers, I've got no use for either of them! Ciao, Here is the eBay listing, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...:SS:MOTORS:1123 With the new eBay format I can't tell if this sold or not, it only says the listing has ended. Maybe email them and see if it's still available? Are you back in the UK? If so and they won't deal with you have it shipped to me, I'm just a couple hours away from their Reno shop and can forward it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer sa1713 Posted August 26, 2009 Author Member Contributer Share Posted August 26, 2009 Capn, Thank you for those specs. I would be interested in the outlet's angle/length as it relates to the OEM position. Thank you for your time and effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer JZH Posted August 26, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 26, 2009 Here is the eBay listing, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...:SS:MOTORS:1123With the new eBay format I can't tell if this sold or not, it only says the listing has ended. Maybe email them and see if it's still available? Are you back in the UK? If so and they won't deal with you have it shipped to me, I'm just a couple hours away from their Reno shop and can forward it to you. Cheers, I think it means they pulled it after getting an offer. Seller looks well dodgy, though! Ciao, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer mello dude Posted August 26, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted August 26, 2009 Here is the eBay listing, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...:SS:MOTORS:1123With the new eBay format I can't tell if this sold or not, it only says the listing has ended. Maybe email them and see if it's still available? Are you back in the UK? If so and they won't deal with you have it shipped to me, I'm just a couple hours away from their Reno shop and can forward it to you. Cheers, I think it means they pulled it after getting an offer. Seller looks well dodgy, though! Ciao, The word "thief" comes to mind....... ----- I wonder if a true peformance header was available for our 5th/6th VFRs would it sell? Probably have a nasty price tag though.... MD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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