SEBSPEED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 For me it's all about packaging. And I plan to get 175rwhp by adding a K04 turbo. Wait, was that out loud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguyeddy Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Where u putting it, under the tail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 Where am I putting what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguyeddy Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 The turbo lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 I have no idea what you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 Who's going to be the first to run a cop setup on their 4th gen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer jeremy77 Posted March 27, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted March 27, 2012 It'll be a month or so before my girl is even back in one piece... So not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguyeddy Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Mine is pretty far out as well, unless i threw the 3rd gen engine together and ran it outside the bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglasthecook Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Who's going to be the first to run a cop setup on their 4th gen? As long as I get clear instructions on how to wire it up, I'll give it a go!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguyeddy Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Do you have a spare ignition module? If so, just wire each cop to the regular coils lead and plug em in. Make the harness removeable in case it doesnt work, that way u can just plug the old coils back in. You dont even have to remove them, just the boots from the heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglasthecook Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I do not have a spare ignition module unfortunately. I have a fair amount of spare parts laying around, but never the ones that I want to mod. I'm also looking for the front sprocket cover to cut to pieces, but I don't have one of those either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Who's going to be the first to run a cop setup on their 4th gen? I'll have a crack at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veefer800Canuck Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Who's going to be the first to run a cop setup on their 4th gen? I'll have a crack at it Will we still have Petrol by then? Or wil you have to go all Rockatansky to get some? "If it's all the same to you... I'll drive that tanker." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer YoshiHNS Posted March 28, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted March 28, 2012 I might be in a position to test in the next couple of weeks if nothing else comes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguyeddy Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Who's going to be the first to run a cop setup on their 4th gen? I'll have a crack at it Will we still have Petrol by then? Or wil you have to go all Rockatansky to get some? "If it's all the same to you... I'll drive that tanker." LOVE THIS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NakedViffer Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 ...I plan on making +/- 175whp on the stock individual 4g coils... so...if that's your tolerance, it's easily achieved by pulling the plugs. Back to the point. It would be great for those of us who are doing serious modifications where having one less thing to worry about would be great. I don't exactly understand what you are trying to say here, I assume its some sort of sarcasm that went way over my head. Maybe you misunderstood me, I'm not trying to shoot you guys down. I've been down this road myself. Truth of the matter is that we have no reason to believe our stock 4g ignitions aren't completely adequate. If you look at Honda's other applications, automotive or motorcycle, they're all stout. Hondas 1.6 sohc vtec D16z6(92-95), makes 125hp stock, but their ignition systems are perfectly adequate up to 400whp. And thats a single distributor coil running 4 cylinders. It was just a question of curiousity, nothing more. Seb, you're right on track, that kkk turbo is similar to my proposed setup And yes, I do plan on pretty much doubling crank horsepower. Its something I've been mapping out since I got this thing. I'll be utilizing a Mitsubushi TD05H-14B with a slightly ported 6cm hot side. Turbo flows 405cfm @1bar, aka 14.7psi, Its gonna see maybe 10-sh lbs of that but not before it goes through an intercooler. The main thing that threatens motors with stock internals is detonation. And the design of our motors even with the semi domed piston, has pretty good quench area, therefore I don't really see detonation becoming a problem until the turbo get puts out of its efficiency range. But I've already checked against the compressor map and I'm well within the bigger efficiency islands. I think its more than reasonable to extract another 80whp from this engine with forced induction. And still stay fairly reliable while doing it. If not, you'll see an 'engine wanted' posting from me about this time next year. I forsee a great many liter bike annihilations for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NakedViffer Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 PS: If somebody makes it work reliable and it gets tested with an oscilloscope to make sure everything is copasetic, I'll probably convert. I just like to put things together as cheaply as possible, while maintaining a decent amount of reliability. And so I deemed it an unnecessary expenditure until such time that I find out otherwise with my turbo setup. I'm not a black cloud, I just insist on doing everything for as little money as possible, having a family makes that a necessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer YoshiHNS Posted March 28, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted March 28, 2012 ...I plan on making +/- 175whp on the stock individual 4g coils... so...if that's your tolerance, it's easily achieved by pulling the plugs. Back to the point. It would be great for those of us who are doing serious modifications where having one less thing to worry about would be great. When someone puts a +/- in front of a number, that's usually the tolerance. So, assuming 100HP, your goal is to be between -75 to 275hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 Points well taken and as far as I can tell, no one here is unhappy with their stock ignition. There is a potential for improvement, this is what most are chasing with this mod. The rest of us are chasing an option for smaller packaging and just having options in case of oem failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguyeddy Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 If we can mount up a tps, we could use the ignitech tcip4 with these, as they are built to handle low ohm coils. Really, we could use the tcip4 without a tps, but we might as well give it a try ;). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NakedViffer Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Sorry for the confusion, I should have worded better I suppose. What I meant was I'm shooting for 175whp, but that figure may vary, I'll more than likely come in on the low side of things, but peak power isn't really what I'm after either, I'm interested in making a big fat torque curve that looks nice and flat from 5k to 12k RPM. I'll definitely start a build thread once the build commences at the end of this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearWhyne Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 So do we have a consensus on what we think will work best for the 4th Gen VFR? Replace the stock battery with a smaller and lighter Litium-Iron one, then use the space saved to make more room for the OEM coils? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer YoshiHNS Posted March 31, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted March 31, 2012 Still need more room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearWhyne Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 A smaller and lighter battery offers more scope for being relocated from where it is now. That would pose a challenge of it's own, but in the context of the major mods done when streetfightering, it could rate as one of the simpler ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer YoshiHNS Posted March 31, 2012 Member Contributer Share Posted March 31, 2012 Right. But the more room the better. If you're sticking to the stock subframe, then yes you have some extra room there. But if you are making your own subframe or using something else, you might not have the room and may even require a LiFePo battery cause nothing else will fit. Either way, I'm not sure it would be a worthwhile pursuit to move the coils to the OEM battery tray and then run extra long wires everywhere. More wire = more resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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