jhenley17 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I am not cracking the throttle, there is no TC on my bike. This occurs at the VTEC transition. This is not my first rodeo. Whether the bike is malfunctioning or it's just a sensation I have to get used to, I'm not sure of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Skids Posted March 19, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 19, 2016 Hoping mine smooths out with a few miles. I avoid hitting it while leaned over at all in first. The first few times, I thought the back end was stepping out. Might try to get it on a dyno to make sure everything is working right. Even my 6th Gen isn't that bad. I have no hesitation in going through the Vtec transition whilst cornering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer fink Posted March 19, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 19, 2016 I think it more the sensation you need to get used to. Have had no problems with transition at all on mine even in bends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted March 19, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 19, 2016 8th Gen it's a VTEC, enough said .. Cut it some slack, that's not enough reason to dismiss it without a fair chance. Better brakes, better handling, almost 25 lighter than the 6G and the vtec transition is almost seamless. It's a good bike in spite of the vtec. Please .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rectaltronics Posted March 19, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 19, 2016 I was going to do a one thousand mile impression post of the eight gen. compared to others I've owned so this is as good a place to do it as any. Keep in mind, most of it is opinion. BTW, my opinions are almost always right....LOL...... Background, I've owned a 5th gen., 6th gen., and now an 8th gen. among other bikes, one definitely faster than VFR's. I did not like the downright dangerous front stock suspension of the 5th gen. Few people ever experienced what it is capable of doing to you but let it suffice there is a very good reason the sixth gen. has one millimeter larger diameter front forks. They can save your life. I had a likely near death experience with my fifth gen. when I put it in a "just right" cornering position that twisted the front forks on dry pavement. It's a complicated phenomena that gets a bit hairy to say the least but I never trusted the bike again after that. Too complicated to go into here. The sound of the gear driven cams never really was an orgasm to me. I did like the very slightly better acceleration over the sixth gen. due to one more tooth on the rear sprocket. Sixth gen.: I liked it except for the looks compared to either the 5th or eighth gen. The front of the 6th is just ugly to me as are the upper rear mounted exhausts. Other than that, I liked the way it ran. The VTEC engagement never really bothered me nor was mine abrupt. If it came on in the middle of a tight corner, I just never had a problem with it. Like any VFR, it's fast enough for me. If people got their way and it magically turned into a liter engine, they couldn't handle the power so that's no big deal where I ride....in the Appalachians....the most challenging overall riding in the country IMHO. Witness how first timers struggle at TMAC. Eighth gen.: Mine is "snatchy" on the throttle but that will go away in time as my 6th gen did. I think VFR engines really smooth out over time. Overall looks are much better than the 6th but the 5th is a beauty too. The instrument panel is an abortion. Time will tell if an oil change and maintenance is easier to deal with considering the new body work. I like the smaller front fender but not the forward sloping gas tank. I used to be a tank hugger in the twisties. The stock muffler is titanic in size but mine will likely stay stock as I don't see the point in loud "billy bad ass" mufflers. It's hard to get meaningful more power out of a VFR. The power curve is definitely different in the 8th as is the VTEC engagement. VTEC engagement never really bothered me on the 6th even in curves so no big deal to me. The 8th just isn't like a part of my body yet and that's because I've been totally off of bikes for 5 years. I'm also not in as good physical shape but that's temporary. Riding a VFR quick in the Appalachians takes more physical effort than some people know. I live in the Appalachians so that will take care of itself. I really don't care if I get back up to my "quickness" level or not because I was burning through good rear tires in 2000 miles and less at times. That's getting on the dark side with a VFR to me. So, to answer the OP's question, I think the 8th will end up being an overall significant improvement in spite of a few faults. Oh, if those that want a liter engine got them, they would likely not last long anyway. How fast do you want to go in the twisties? My experience with significantly more hp in the Appalachians doesn't necessarily translate into faster asphalt speed for the vast majority of riders. Bailyrock being the exception of course. He can outrun most of us on a scooter...... Why do you say the gauge cluster is "an abortion"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer CornerCarver Posted March 20, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 20, 2016 8th Gen it's a VTEC, enough said .. Cut it some slack, that's not enough reason to dismiss it without a fair chance. Better brakes, better handling, almost 25 lighter than the 6G and the vtec transition is almost seamless. It's a good bike in spite of the vtec. Please .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer windyrun Posted March 20, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 20, 2016 Plus it looks and sounds pretty darn nice ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Bent Posted March 20, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 20, 2016 I was going to do a one thousand mile impression post of the eight gen. compared to others I've owned so this is as good a place to do it as any. Keep in mind, most of it is opinion. BTW, my opinions are almost always right....LOL...... Background, I've owned a 5th gen., 6th gen., and now an 8th gen. among other bikes, one definitely faster than VFR's. I did not like the downright dangerous front stock suspension of the 5th gen. Few people ever experienced what it is capable of doing to you but let it suffice there is a very good reason the sixth gen. has one millimeter larger diameter front forks. They can save your life. I had a likely near death experience with my fifth gen. when I put it in a "just right" cornering position that twisted the front forks on dry pavement. It's a complicated phenomena that gets a bit hairy to say the least but I never trusted the bike again after that. Too complicated to go into here. The sound of the gear driven cams never really was an orgasm to me. I did like the very slightly better acceleration over the sixth gen. due to one more tooth on the rear sprocket. Sixth gen.: I liked it except for the looks compared to either the 5th or eighth gen. The front of the 6th is just ugly to me as are the upper rear mounted exhausts. Other than that, I liked the way it ran. The VTEC engagement never really bothered me nor was mine abrupt. If it came on in the middle of a tight corner, I just never had a problem with it. Like any VFR, it's fast enough for me. If people got their way and it magically turned into a liter engine, they couldn't handle the power so that's no big deal where I ride....in the Appalachians....the most challenging overall riding in the country IMHO. Witness how first timers struggle at TMAC. Eighth gen.: Mine is "snatchy" on the throttle but that will go away in time as my 6th gen did. I think VFR engines really smooth out over time. Overall looks are much better than the 6th but the 5th is a beauty too. The instrument panel is an abortion. Time will tell if an oil change and maintenance is easier to deal with considering the new body work. I like the smaller front fender but not the forward sloping gas tank. I used to be a tank hugger in the twisties. The stock muffler is titanic in size but mine will likely stay stock as I don't see the point in loud "billy bad ass" mufflers. It's hard to get meaningful more power out of a VFR. The power curve is definitely different in the 8th as is the VTEC engagement. VTEC engagement never really bothered me on the 6th even in curves so no big deal to me. The 8th just isn't like a part of my body yet and that's because I've been totally off of bikes for 5 years. I'm also not in as good physical shape but that's temporary. Riding a VFR quick in the Appalachians takes more physical effort than some people know. I live in the Appalachians so that will take care of itself. I really don't care if I get back up to my "quickness" level or not because I was burning through good rear tires in 2000 miles and less at times. That's getting on the dark side with a VFR to me. So, to answer the OP's question, I think the 8th will end up being an overall significant improvement in spite of a few faults. Oh, if those that want a liter engine got them, they would likely not last long anyway. How fast do you want to go in the twisties? My experience with significantly more hp in the Appalachians doesn't necessarily translate into faster asphalt speed for the vast majority of riders. Bailyrock being the exception of course. He can outrun most of us on a scooter...... Why do you say the gauge cluster is "an abortion"? Because I think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer fink Posted March 20, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 20, 2016 I actually quite like the instrument panel on it. Nice and clear providing the information that I require easy to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhenley17 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I like analogue, but we're never going back to that. I actually think the cluster is pretty nice. I wish the buttons were easier to reach and spaced a little more for easier operation with gloved hands. I also would have liked shift lights, even if it isn't a full-on supersport, but those are minor things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Skids Posted March 21, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 21, 2016 I like analogue, but we're never going back to that. I actually think the cluster is pretty nice. I wish the buttons were easier to reach and spaced a little more for easier operation with gloved hands. I also would have liked shift lights, even if it isn't a full-on supersport, but those are minor things. What are "shift lights" please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer fink Posted March 21, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 21, 2016 Idiot lights that tell you when to change up a gear. I thought that's what the red line was for ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhenley17 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Damn professional racers and their unnecessary sequential shift lights. Stupid of me to think it better to look down at the instruments as little as possible when moving quickly. Forgive me, I forgot I was on an owners' forum. It's the same at all of them, I should know better than to have anything but praise for the model or manufacturer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Bent Posted March 22, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 22, 2016 Damn professional racers and their unnecessary sequential shift lights. Stupid of me to think it better to look down at the instruments as little as possible when moving quickly. Forgive me, I forgot I was on an owners' forum. It's the same at all of them, I should know better than to have anything but praise for the model or manufacturer. Dang man, don't you know better than to say anything but good about all VFR's but they all suck too? Just ask any owner of any generation VFR.....or is it Interceptor? Beats the heck outta me too. I'm still waiting for that perfect bike from any manufacturer. Never mind, it's going to be too long of a wait. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrypz Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Sorry, every bike has been more perfect than the last. I graduated from my SV650 to the VFR, seemed logical to me. L-90s just make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Kingmdm Posted March 22, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted March 22, 2016 Still waiting for delivery of the RC79. It's coming from Fargo and I live in South Florida. I'm at the mercy of the delivery company. But based upon what's been said so far, I'm optimistic that it will be the "best" yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rectaltronics Posted March 23, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 23, 2016 I was going to do a one thousand mile impression post of the eight gen. compared to others I've owned so this is as good a place to do it as any. Keep in mind, most of it is opinion. BTW, my opinions are almost always right....LOL...... Background, I've owned a 5th gen., 6th gen., and now an 8th gen. among other bikes, one definitely faster than VFR's. I did not like the downright dangerous front stock suspension of the 5th gen. Few people ever experienced what it is capable of doing to you but let it suffice there is a very good reason the sixth gen. has one millimeter larger diameter front forks. They can save your life. I had a likely near death experience with my fifth gen. when I put it in a "just right" cornering position that twisted the front forks on dry pavement. It's a complicated phenomena that gets a bit hairy to say the least but I never trusted the bike again after that. Too complicated to go into here. The sound of the gear driven cams never really was an orgasm to me. I did like the very slightly better acceleration over the sixth gen. due to one more tooth on the rear sprocket. Sixth gen.: I liked it except for the looks compared to either the 5th or eighth gen. The front of the 6th is just ugly to me as are the upper rear mounted exhausts. Other than that, I liked the way it ran. The VTEC engagement never really bothered me nor was mine abrupt. If it came on in the middle of a tight corner, I just never had a problem with it. Like any VFR, it's fast enough for me. If people got their way and it magically turned into a liter engine, they couldn't handle the power so that's no big deal where I ride....in the Appalachians....the most challenging overall riding in the country IMHO. Witness how first timers struggle at TMAC. Eighth gen.: Mine is "snatchy" on the throttle but that will go away in time as my 6th gen did. I think VFR engines really smooth out over time. Overall looks are much better than the 6th but the 5th is a beauty too. The instrument panel is an abortion. Time will tell if an oil change and maintenance is easier to deal with considering the new body work. I like the smaller front fender but not the forward sloping gas tank. I used to be a tank hugger in the twisties. The stock muffler is titanic in size but mine will likely stay stock as I don't see the point in loud "billy bad ass" mufflers. It's hard to get meaningful more power out of a VFR. The power curve is definitely different in the 8th as is the VTEC engagement. VTEC engagement never really bothered me on the 6th even in curves so no big deal to me. The 8th just isn't like a part of my body yet and that's because I've been totally off of bikes for 5 years. I'm also not in as good physical shape but that's temporary. Riding a VFR quick in the Appalachians takes more physical effort than some people know. I live in the Appalachians so that will take care of itself. I really don't care if I get back up to my "quickness" level or not because I was burning through good rear tires in 2000 miles and less at times. That's getting on the dark side with a VFR to me. So, to answer the OP's question, I think the 8th will end up being an overall significant improvement in spite of a few faults. Oh, if those that want a liter engine got them, they would likely not last long anyway. How fast do you want to go in the twisties? My experience with significantly more hp in the Appalachians doesn't necessarily translate into faster asphalt speed for the vast majority of riders. Bailyrock being the exception of course. He can outrun most of us on a scooter...... Why do you say the gauge cluster is "an abortion"? Because I think it is. Very well thought-out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon007 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I was going to do a one thousand mile impression post of the eight gen. compared to others I've owned so this is as good a place to do it as any. Keep in mind, most of it is opinion. BTW, my opinions are almost always right....LOL...... Background, I've owned a 5th gen., 6th gen., and now an 8th gen. among other bikes, one definitely faster than VFR's. I did not like the downright dangerous front stock suspension of the 5th gen. Few people ever experienced what it is capable of doing to you but let it suffice there is a very good reason the sixth gen. has one millimeter larger diameter front forks. They can save your life. I had a likely near death experience with my fifth gen. when I put it in a "just right" cornering position that twisted the front forks on dry pavement. It's a complicated phenomena that gets a bit hairy to say the least but I never trusted the bike again after that. Too complicated to go into here. The sound of the gear driven cams never really was an orgasm to me. I did like the very slightly better acceleration over the sixth gen. due to one more tooth on the rear sprocket. Sixth gen.: I liked it except for the looks compared to either the 5th or eighth gen. The front of the 6th is just ugly to me as are the upper rear mounted exhausts. Other than that, I liked the way it ran. The VTEC engagement never really bothered me nor was mine abrupt. If it came on in the middle of a tight corner, I just never had a problem with it. Like any VFR, it's fast enough for me. If people got their way and it magically turned into a liter engine, they couldn't handle the power so that's no big deal where I ride....in the Appalachians....the most challenging overall riding in the country IMHO. Witness how first timers struggle at TMAC. Eighth gen.: Mine is "snatchy" on the throttle but that will go away in time as my 6th gen did. I think VFR engines really smooth out over time. Overall looks are much better than the 6th but the 5th is a beauty too. The instrument panel is an abortion. Time will tell if an oil change and maintenance is easier to deal with considering the new body work. I like the smaller front fender but not the forward sloping gas tank. I used to be a tank hugger in the twisties. The stock muffler is titanic in size but mine will likely stay stock as I don't see the point in loud "billy bad ass" mufflers. It's hard to get meaningful more power out of a VFR. The power curve is definitely different in the 8th as is the VTEC engagement. VTEC engagement never really bothered me on the 6th even in curves so no big deal to me. The 8th just isn't like a part of my body yet and that's because I've been totally off of bikes for 5 years. I'm also not in as good physical shape but that's temporary. Riding a VFR quick in the Appalachians takes more physical effort than some people know. I live in the Appalachians so that will take care of itself. I really don't care if I get back up to my "quickness" level or not because I was burning through good rear tires in 2000 miles and less at times. That's getting on the dark side with a VFR to me. So, to answer the OP's question, I think the 8th will end up being an overall significant improvement in spite of a few faults. Oh, if those that want a liter engine got them, they would likely not last long anyway. How fast do you want to go in the twisties? My experience with significantly more hp in the Appalachians doesn't necessarily translate into faster asphalt speed for the vast majority of riders. Bailyrock being the exception of course. He can outrun most of us on a scooter...... Agree with your assessment on fifth gen front forks. I had them fully serviced as per factory manual but because they are non adjustable for rebound or compression, I found out the hard way they can dive real hard under full on emergency braking and rebound real quick and high side the rider. The eight gen (dlx) in us has rebound adjstable forks that perform much better. I had three-way adjustable ohlins on the fifth gen but the eight gen rear shock is capable of matching the performance I got out of the ohlins. Hv no problems with the vtec coming into play, transition on and off is smooth. Put 5000km on since I bought it and along with a scottoiler and oil change, it is a smooth riding bike. Quick shifter helps and I like the heated grips, abs and traction control. The slimmer fairing genuinely improves the bikes demeanour in windy conditions prevalent in my country. Where the yellow 99 could be blown around, the eighth gen knives through crosswinds gust without losing composure in even 100 km/h gusts. Sorry to bring up an old post but I'm ffascinatedby the 5th gen Forks comment. This sounds like a dampening issue not a for size issue, or did both of you have different problems with your bikes? If it is a dampening issue increasing the diameter of fork would seem the expensive way to fix a problem that should be cheap to fix. I agree the forks are pretty small on the 5th gens for sure. The 3 I have ridden never made me think anything bad was going to happen so I'm interested in what yall have to say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhenley17 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I think elsewhere on the forum, he mentioned a failure of the forks. While it was probably a freak occurance, I'd probably feel the same about it if that had happened to me and it were my hide on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecat Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I think elsewhere on the forum, he mentioned a failure of the forks. While it was probably a freak occurance, I'd probably feel the same about it if that had happened to me and it were my hide on the line.This is what happened to me. I had to throw the anchors on and had both front and rear brakes on. The back tyre had locked but still had good pressure on the front and squeezed harder. The bike was slowing but the forks bottomed out and rebounded at which point I got high sided with the bike falling on the right side. I went back to the scene and estimated the rear tyre was locked for about 25 meters before I fell. As I said the forks had been serviced as per factory specs, had new steering bearings and brake fluid. To be sure, the preload was set at stock as I weigh 65kg. I asked around later as to what could have caused it but got no definitive answers. So put it down to freak occurrence.I went on a training course with the eight gen where I had to brake with just the rear, just the front and both front and rear from 100km/h and the bike was all good with abs kicking and stopping the bike in a shorter distance than non abs lighter bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon007 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Thanks for retellong your story! Sounds like a braking issue. If my knowledge of motorcycle crash physics is correct you should have washed out the front once all the suspension travel and tire was used up. Strange that under full brakes the front end unloaded.... Either way you made it and your still riding, that's better than a lot of people can say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecat Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Thanks mate. Took a while to rehab from six broken ribs and hurts to wrists, ankles and shoulders. But i have yesterday returned from an 11-day ride, pillioning my wife, in the south island through some beautiful roads and scenery with a large group of club riders. it was great to be on the bike -- which by the way performed incredibly well with a full load on a broad variety of corners. -- and still got 5 litres per 100 kilometers which works out to british 50 plus miles a gallon!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer fink Posted March 23, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 23, 2016 I think elsewhere on the forum, he mentioned a failure of the forks. While it was probably a freak occurance, I'd probably feel the same about it if that had happened to me and it were my hide on the line.This is what happened to me. I had to throw the anchors on and had both front and rear brakes on. The back tyre had locked but still had good pressure on the front and squeezed harder. The bike was slowing but the forks bottomed out and rebounded at which point I got high sided with the bike falling on the right side. I went back to the scene and estimated the rear tyre was locked for about 25 meters before I fell. As I said the forks had been serviced as per factory specs, had new steering bearings and brake fluid. To be sure, the preload was set at stock as I weigh 65kg. I asked around later as to what could have caused it but got no definitive answers. So put it down to freak occurrence.I went on a training course with the eight gen where I had to brake with just the rear, just the front and both front and rear from 100km/h and the bike was all good with abs kicking and stopping the bike in a shorter distance than non abs lighter bikes. Was this on the new Vfr or another bike that you had forks bottoming out and rear wheel locking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecat Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Hi fink It was with my 1999 Vfr last November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer fink Posted March 23, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted March 23, 2016 Glad to hear you have made a good recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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