New Radar Detector

[Guest VifferDude]

Hi Guys and Gals :laughing6-hehe:

I've been investigating my radar detector options for the bike. The Adaptiv Radar Detector is a definate No_No! for me. Radar Detectors are HIGHLY illegal in my country, atracting instant loss of licence and massive $2000 fines, so anything visible is no good to me. It must be stealth to RDD's aswell.

The most obvious choice would be an install behind a fairing, but I loose Laser detection then. So my next choice is a Radar Detector with a remote head like this Stealth Valentine but at $1300 is very expensive.

Then I remembered someone on this boared had a cheap Radar Detector installed in a plastic box like THIS So I was thinking of mounting the main unit in one of these plastic boxes under the headlight, and placing a remote control UNIT on the dash, and connect the audio to my Autocomm?.

Any Ideas?

[wera803]

Hi Guys and Gals

I've been investigating my radar detector options for the bike. The Adaptiv Radar Detector is a definate No_No! for me. Radar Detectors are HIGHLY illegal in my country, atracting instant loss of licence and massive $2000 fines, so anything visible is no good to me. It must be stealth to RDD's aswell.

The most obvious choice would be an install behind a fairing, but I loose Laser detection then. So my next choice is a Radar Detector with a remote head like this Stealth Valentine but at $1300 is very expensive.

Then I remembered someone on this boared had a cheap Radar Detector installed in a plastic box like THIS So I was thinking of mounting the main unit in one of these plastic boxes under the headlight, and placing a remote control UNIT on the dash, and connect the audio to my Autocomm?.

Any Ideas?

I have a Valentine 1 and when I had my Superhawk I tried to pop the mirror out of the housing. In the end, it broke so I got a new piece cut and scrapped off the backing allowing the remote display to shine through. When it wasn't on, you hardly noticed it there. The only real problem was you couldn't hit the mute button on the display to quiet it if needed. I figured when I heard the radar dector go off, I looked in my mirrors anyways, so might as well put it there.

http://www.vfrdiscus...59_551_3281.jpg

[Guest]

Keep in mind that certain LEO's also run with radar detector detectors (RDD), especially is areas where radar detectors are banned.

http://www.radarbusters.com/spectreiiIntroductionarticle.cfm

That said, you may find this article about an R-1 equipped with an Escort 8500 x50 and Blinder M-20 active laser jammer interesting:

http://www.radarbusters.com/stealthstreetbikeintroductionarticle.cfm

They use an exposed detector in the test, but there are other options for concealment such as these:

http://www.radarbusters.com/radar-detectors/concealed-radar-detectors/6524+6526+4295011651.cfm

Of course, none of this is inexpensive. If you want to make sure you aren't pulled over, you should observe the laws of the jurisdiction you are driving in. :fing02: :pissed:

[Guest]

Just giving this thread a quick bump. Has anyone mounted their Radar Detector behind their fairing?

[007]

Hi Guys and Gals

I've been investigating my radar detector options for the bike. The Adaptiv Radar Detector is a definate No_No! for me. Radar Detectors are HIGHLY illegal in my country, atracting instant loss of licence and massive $2000 fines, so anything visible is no good to me. It must be stealth to RDD's aswell.

The most obvious choice would be an install behind a fairing, but I loose Laser detection then. So my next choice is a Radar Detector with a remote head like this Stealth Valentine but at $1300 is very expensive.

Then I remembered someone on this boared had a cheap Radar Detector installed in a plastic box like THIS So I was thinking of mounting the main unit in one of these plastic boxes under the headlight, and placing a remote control UNIT on the dash, and connect the audio to my Autocomm?.

Any Ideas?

I have a Valentine 1 and when I had my Superhawk I tried to pop the mirror out of the housing. In the end, it broke so I got a new piece cut and scrapped off the backing allowing the remote display to shine through. When it wasn't on, you hardly noticed it there. The only real problem was you couldn't hit the mute button on the display to quiet it if needed. I figured when I heard the radar dector go off, I looked in my mirrors anyways, so might as well put it there.

http://www.vfrdiscus...59_551_3281.jpg

Wera - you are so WAY before your time. Guys charge thousands of dollars to mount those in behind car rear view mirrors and you did it in 2003. Impressive. Where did you mount the detector?

[Dutchy]

our cops have radar detector detectors..... and radar detectors are illegal here too

Once they home in on you and stopped you by the road, you better tell them it is in the mirror. For otherwise they will take impound your car and take it apart till they do find it...

To counter this ban, there's an app called flitsmeister. not only does it hold all fixed camera's, the moment someone spots a mobile one, that person can upload it. This in turn gets downloaded to the other users' phone. (I guess there must ne a few reprots before it gets listed). Upon aproach, a warning sound and screen pops up. and the question "is it still there? Y/N" so that the users keep this up to date.

It doesnot of course warn for unmarked police cars or motorbikes....

[spud786]

Any Ideas?

Well your in a different country, so what ever rad you get, has to be the frequencies used, plus your screwed if you hide the Rd and lazer is a big factor in your area.

The Bel STI is immune to rd detector detectors, and less than $600. But you cant place these in a box or non breathable air, they get way too hot and it would fry them.

AS far as Valentine, they are unfiltered, so there's alot of extra crap you have to manually filter, Id like a valentine for my truck, but after being used to automatic rd's on a bike(auto muting), auto hands free voice ect), valetine would be too much trouble on a bike in comparison.

[wera803]

Wera - you are so WAY before your time. Guys charge thousands of dollars to mount those in behind car rear view mirrors and you did it in 2003. Impressive. Where did you mount the detector?

The detector was in my tank bag along with my Autocom, music, etc. I used the V1 in my truck too, so I didn't want it permanently mounted on the bike. I could easily grab the tank bag and take it with me if needed by just disconnecting 2 wires.

[Bassie]

@dutchy, the cops can only detect a radar-detector if it's jamming the signal in an attempt to distort it so it won't read how fast you go.

If you use a radar-detector without jamming functions they can not detect it.

As you can't detect a device that doesn't broadcast anything.

A jamming signal is a broadcast back to the radar-device to make it believe it has a bad reflection.

A passive device doesn't do that and as such it can't be detected.

Please stop believing everything Koos (stupid Dutch traffic "expert") is telling you.

If you want to use a radar-detector, get one that doesn't jam....those are undetectable if you don't show it to the police

Trust me, I have a HAM-radio license and it's impossible to detect a receiver that doesn't broadcast.

But SBS6 (the stupid station that shows road-abusers-show) won't tell you that, else they won't get their shots anymore.

Do not believe all you see to be true

[spud786]

@dutchy, the cops can only detect a radar-detector if it's jamming the signal in an attempt to distort it so it won't read how fast you go.

If you use a radar-detector without jamming functions they can not detect it.

As you can't detect a device that doesn't broadcast anything.

A jamming signal is a broadcast back to the radar-device to make it believe it has a bad reflection.

A passive device doesn't do that and as such it can't be detected.

Please stop believing everything Koos (stupid Dutch traffic "expert") is telling you.

If you want to use a radar-detector, get one that doesn't jam....those are undetectable if you don't show it to the police

Trust me, I have a HAM-radio license and it's impossible to detect a receiver that doesn't broadcast.

But SBS6 (the stupid station that shows road-abusers-show) won't tell you that, else they won't get their shots anymore.

Do not believe all you see to be true

Wait a minute, that aint the way it works.

no RD's have jamming ablity, thats Illegal by the FCC. (prison time)

The 2 or 3 Rd's on the market which are undectable by radar detector detectors, are basically housed to where they do not emitt Leakage to be detected.

A regular Radar dectector, Leaks and emitts like crazy and easily picked up by a Radar detector detector.

Jammers are related to Lazar as in Lazer jammers(a completely different topic), Light is not regulated by the FCC.

[Bassie]

Sorry mate they do.

Most of the RD's have a jamming ability, and what they do is sending out an signal to make the radar believe it's just noise.

You can not detect a RD without such a signal.

And FCC got nothing to do with it, as the devices are there to help you prevent tickets....

Ever seen a burglar that read the law first to see if it was legal?

As for laser speedguns they put a laser detector and then send out they own laser signal.

Those devices can be detected by the police, regardless if they have "protection" or not.

Only passive devices are detector-free for the police, but they are not pro-active on preventing tickets.

[spud786]

Sorry mate they do.

Most of the RD's have a jamming ability, and what they do is sending out an signal to make the radar believe it's just noise.

You can not detect a RD without such a signal.

And FCC got nothing to do with it, as the devices are there to help you prevent tickets....

Ever seen a burglar that read the law first to see if it was legal?

Your totally wrong , but whatever and Yes the FCC is in Total Control of all radio frequencies

is Belgium even in the 21 st century yet?

[spud786]

Sorry mate they do.

Most of the RD's have a jamming ability, and what they do is sending out an signal to make the radar believe it's just noise.

You can not detect a RD without such a signal.

And FCC got nothing to do with it, as the devices are there to help you prevent tickets....

Ever seen a burglar that read the law first to see if it was legal?

Your totally wrong , but whatever and Yes the FCC is in Total Control of all radio frequencies

is Belgium even in the 21 st century yet?

There are Military radar jammers , but that technology is not used in Consumer radar detectors, thats probably what you're thinking (military technology use). In fact there are only 2 consumer window units avalable that I know of and Both utilize magnesium Shell's, becuase they run very warm do to the Housing having to hide all that leakage, the typical plastic shell would melt and deform, and couldnt retain it.

[soloii]

There is a huge difference between Jammers and detectors. Jammers send out signals to spoof, or blank the LEO's radar unit, they are usually triggered by a radar detector. In the United States, and most other countries these units are highly illegal to possess or use. In the US, the FCC does determine frequency usage, and many other countries use the US FCC rules to derive their own, but unless that is the case frequency usage is a local thing - sometimes very specific to each countries rules and any international agreements and treaties they have made.

There are two types of radar detectors - totally passive - which nobody makes anymore, and those who use an active superhetrodyne type receiving section. To simplify, these superhetrodyne types actively compare a reference signal to the signal picked up by their highly sensitive receivers, and then using microprocessors, they filter out the noise and that reduces false alarms and the entire system design vastly increases range over the original passive types.

It is this reference signal (or signals) which RDD's pick up, allowing the LEO to determine if you have a radar detector. Shutting down the power of your radar detector before they are in range to pick up the fugitive emissions from your unit is one way to avoid any suspicion. Some units have detection ranges by the RDD unit of over a 100 yards - some even further. Some are almost completely undetectable (or so they claim).

I had a friend who worked for Valentine when he started Escort. He used to drive around with various police radar units on his cars testing radar detectors. It really P.O.d the LEOs when they saw him.

Crutchfield has a good simple primer about Radar Detection. You are on your own regarding Jamming.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-MSN5iKQAWcc/learn/learningcenter/car/radar.html

[Monk]

Wish you all luck with your speed detectors............ If in your search happen to run across a good deer detector , plz post. as that will be a must buy for me.

[spud786]

Wish you all luck with your speed detectors............ If in your search happen to run across a good deer detector , plz post. as that will be a must buy for me.

I've always been of the Opinion, the two best training courses on the street are Deer and Cops, they both require the same reaction and awareness.

They are basically cousins of the same world

[Bassie]

You can not detect a passive detector, period.

And yes they still make them, as they are used to check the range of a burglar system....but you can also use them to check a radar.

As for Europe, they make them more and more to detect only....illegal but they work.

The thing is, most people here buy USA buy radar detectors, most of them sending out a jamming signal...that is what they detect.

You can't detect a MF of a passive detector due to the nature of a car, Faraday-cage simply doesn't allow you to pickup the signal.

It's not even legal here to produce them.....but the good ones are totally passive and expensive.

Any device that detects radar or laser is illegal in Europe, and the so called anti-radar-detectors are just detecting the jamming signal...nothing more.

If you even saw how they do it, it's a joke.....they have devices that send out signal and if it comes back as distorted they suspect a radar-detector.

On TV they where telling, look he turned it off!!! What more do you want.....how the hell do they know other then comparing signals?

In short, if they broadcast they can be detected...it's as simple as that.

[spud786]

In short, if they broadcast they can be detected...it's as simple as that.

Thats true, but there are no jamming signals coming from Usa/canada produced Rd's because thats Illegal to Jam radar by the FCC., The typical RD emits(leaks a radio frequency naturally), and thats what these RDD's detect, not a Jamming signal. Like I mentioned the couple of R'D's that are immune to RDD's( I have one) are HOUSED in a shell not to emmit this leakage. Thats how they work.

[spud786]

I used to get pulled over 3 or 4 times per year, maybe 1 or 2 tickets out of that in say every couple years. BUt one 3 month period I got pulled over about 4 times , luckily no ticket, but I saw the writing on the Wall. Technology was the only option.

I can tell ya only the top 1% of rd's are any good at all, and these new GPS units are not the Best RD's. I dont understand why the GPs units arent produced with the best Rd technology, but presently thats the way it is for some reason.

[JZH]

You can not detect a passive detector, period.

And yes they still make them, as they are used to check the range of a burglar system....but you can also use them to check a radar.

As for Europe, they make them more and more to detect only....illegal but they work.

The thing is, most people here buy USA buy radar detectors, most of them sending out a jamming signal...that is what they detect.

You can't detect a MF of a passive detector due to the nature of a car, Faraday-cage simply doesn't allow you to pickup the signal.

It's not even legal here to produce them.....but the good ones are totally passive and expensive.

Any device that detects radar or laser is illegal in Europe, and the so called anti-radar-detectors are just detecting the jamming signal...nothing more.

If you even saw how they do it, it's a joke.....they have devices that send out signal and if it comes back as distorted they suspect a radar-detector.

On TV they where telling, look he turned it off!!! What more do you want.....how the hell do they know other then comparing signals?

In short, if they broadcast they can be detected...it's as simple as that.

You have misunderstood--you don't own a RADAR detector, do you? Soloii is correct. The tiny, incidental microwave emissions from traditional radar detectors are what are detected by RDDs. These emissions do not "jam" anything. Obviously, RDDs would also detect radar jammers, but such devices are very rare. But, more significantly, if all US radar detectors were simultaneously sending ont jamming signals, EVERY OTHER radar detector in the vicinity would constantly be blaring, rendering everyone else's radar detector completely useless. This is not what happens, as anyone who actually has used a radar detector knows...

I've used radar detectors since the Escort in the early 1980s. Used to live in a place where the local government's coffers were supplemented with speeding tickets in a big way, so I felt it was necessary to "level the playing field" a bit. I had it mounted above the mirror in my Porsche (later Porschev) and used to put a tally mark on the headliner each time I had a "confirmed save", defined as a visual confirmation of active police radar use + illegal, ticketable speeding. I was fairly serious about it!

These days, I do own a V1, but don't drive in the 'States often enough to worry about radar any more. Other places I drive either don't use radar much, or their use is highly illegal and thus not worth taking the risk. I'm thinking about putting my V1 into a "module" for occasional use with my tank "bag" device, but it's a low priority. Until you use one you don't realise what a pain they are, given the constant false alerts. After a while, you learn how to "read" the alerts and ignore the noise, but it's still a pain, IMHO.

Ciao,

[Polarbear]

Interesting discussion. In my old age, I have slowed down a lot.

C

[Bassie]

@JZH, I did have one years ago and it did jamming. It was one of those boxes that you could mount behind the windscreen.

But special for you, here are all the details on how it works: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/radar-detector4.htm

I just found that the police is also tracking the antenna, that is quite funny because it will mean if you power an satellite LNB in your car they should get an alarm too

Today if I want to speed, I simply ride to Germany and go as fast as I like

[spud786]

Maybe you had one of these jammers?

Humorous article

http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=6000

[Bassie]

Something like that yes, but it didn't work, got a ticket anyway

To find out later that our frequencies where different for most radars in use.

These days I simply go over the border on the Autobahn where a lot of parts are limit-free

[spud786]

The article points out, that active radar jammers are illegal, That means if producing a product that really jams, the FCC will come after you. However in the marketing world, its not illegal for a company to lie in order to sell their product!

Like mentioned only the top 1% of RD's really offer much in the way of benefit, most are way to short on notice of any value, or badly filtered. I tested one Bel gps model and around blind corners, Id be right on top of the cop running standard KA band before any notice. That one got shipped back.

Xband is not really used much anymore in most parts of the U.S. except for automatic retail doors. So turning that off, gets rid of alot of noise. I run my rd on highway at all time with xband off, and its as quiet as a gps unit. ONe other thing negative about the gps units, say you have a kband retail door in a certain area, and you tell the rd its not a threat. Well, say the next day a cop is running kband in that area, the gps model will not alert cause it thinks its now a safe threat in that area. The best rds' do not have GPS, and are dual attenna models. For some reason the gps models, dont have the range of the best RD's, not really sure why that is.

BUt the question needs to be asked, how important is gps on an RD, really only good for red light and speed camera locations, not something I normally deal with. But getting an alert 2 miles out from INstant on KA band strike, will put me on alert that somethings out there.

Instant Ka and lazer is about the toughest to defend, its likes a 6 gun shootout in some cases, Ive never beat instant on in a vehicle, there's just too much reaction time, on a Bike, Ive won many times. After I got my STI I went 2 years before getting pulled over, that was a major improvement. I think it was a fluke though, actually got pulled over twice that same day. It was a motorcycle rally weekend and they were targeting motorcycles, I got two warnings on that day.

But the ticket money Ive saved over the years has paid for that RD, 10 fold!