Member Contributer FotoMoto Posted December 12, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted December 12, 2009 BTW, this thread should be the poster child for a "trimming your reply" campaign. This coming from a recent iphone purchaser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer pres589 Posted December 12, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted December 12, 2009 Not to poo-poo someone's well documented hard work Seat of the pants dynos show no difference. Well of course not, but even the best pipes free up, what, 10 hp on their own? What I'm suggesting is there may actually be a regression with these sorts of mods. I might use some free time today to search around, I would like to think some magazine has tested some aftermarket cans on a flow bench to see which actually blow better than others. From there, make a custom midpipe with effort going into having the smoothest bends and most even flow out of both sides to really keep things moving, and call it a day. Of course it will cost cubic dollars compared to gutting the factory cans and I know a lot of people aren't reaching for that nth degree, but really the more I think about the stock exhaust on the 6th gen especially the less impressed I am with it. Sounds decent though, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer JZH Posted December 13, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted December 13, 2009 Not to poo-poo someone's well documented hard work, and I can totally understand wanting to get a little more sound out of these bikes, but I've started to wonder just what effect this sort of mod has on backpressure through increased outlet turbulence. Easy test would be dyno runs before and after. Maybe nothing of any consequence. Or maybe not. Something to think about at least. Sorry, but I don't think "squid" and "dyno" really mix... :laugh: Ciao, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer pres589 Posted December 13, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted December 13, 2009 Sorry, but I don't think "squid" and "dyno" really mix... :laugh: Ciao, What? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Sorry, but I don't think "squid" and "dyno" really mix... :laugh: Ciao, What? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. My guess is he's calling someone that modifies their exhaust a squid. whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer JZH Posted December 14, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted December 14, 2009 Sorry, but I don't think "squid" and "dyno" really mix... :fing02: Ciao, What? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. My guess is he's calling someone that modifies their exhaust a squid. whatever. Good guess! Seriously, you don't really think modding the exhaust to increase noise is a performance modification, do you? Releasing the VFR howl is an admirable goal in its own right, which I do support to a certain extent, but not because it will result in more power, because it won't. Ciao, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Sorry, but I don't think "squid" and "dyno" really mix... :fing02: Ciao, What? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. My guess is he's calling someone that modifies their exhaust a squid. whatever. Good guess! Seriously, you don't really think modding the exhaust to increase noise is a performance modification, do you? Releasing the VFR howl is an admirable goal in its own right, which I do support to a certain extent, but not because it will result in more power, because it won't. Ciao, I don't think anyone here thinks they are going to gain any performance from modding their exhaust. It is purely to try and achieve a more rewarding tone out of the exhaust without spending a grand. Even with an aftermarket exhaust, gains would be negligible. I wouldn't call that squidly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer taglicious Posted December 27, 2009 Member Contributer Share Posted December 27, 2009 I don't think anyone here thinks they are going to gain any performance from modding their exhaust. It is purely to try and achieve a more rewarding tone out of the exhaust without spending a grand. Even with an aftermarket exhaust, gains would be negligible. I wouldn't call that squidly. I think it's just the natural progression of achieving the coveted VFR growl. I lol at someone thinking it's going to make it gain HP... I ride with 180HP bikes on a regular basis... they all love being behind ME because the bike gets them pumped AND I can actually lead them through the corners... er hum *cough cough* not to toot mah own horn lol great post guys :fing02: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelso90 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Well, I did this mod today, the stage one version that is, and I am impressed, and I have my question answered about the other modification topic I posted in. Sounds big and deep, a lot like my buddy's R1 with Akrapovic's, just not "arrest me" loud, and a lot smoother sounding. Awaiting spring, and the opportunity to throw up some video clips! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Ryanme17 Posted January 20, 2010 Member Contributer Share Posted January 20, 2010 Any follow up on this? Any comments on the difficulties these last few posters have had?? Sound clips?? I actually did it this way. Just kind of varied the instructions from the original thread on here. 3/4 went pretty smooth, and 1 of them was just a huge PITA! Also, it takes FOREVER, and a ton of cutting discs... But not terrible, better than $800 on an aftermarket exhaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelso90 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 How much louder is the "stage 2" mod than just the upper 2? I'm pretty happy with the upper 2, but time, and riding will tell. I actually didn't have a big problem with the cutting discs, I went through around 10. The hole saw I screwed up on though. I murdered my first one cause I didn't pull it out enough! It got really hot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Here's some pics of what you'll need to do this mod, along with a sequence and details. I'll post a sound clip once I finish up with "Stage 2" tomorrow. Here's what "Stage 1" looks like, with only the top opening of each muffler modified. You can see the exhaust tip still in the opening, with the inner pipe removed to a depth of about 1.25". Close up looking down the exhaust tip...outer exhaust tip still in place. Full rear shot of bike. Looks virtually stock. More mods to come, though! All the tools and items you'll need to do this mod: Be sure and get two 1" bimetal hole saws, as you'll most likely ruin the first when starting the cut between the two pipes. Once started, use the good remaining bit. Close up of the hole saw and the dremel cutting wheels. Shows the 1" bimetal hole saw going over the inside pipe and inside the outer exhaust tip. You'll have to use lots of cutting oil, low rpms on the drill, and be patient. Remove the bit and use a flat screwdriver to wipe out the metal shavings at regular intervals, as the shavings have no where to go, and will destroy the bit if not removed. You will be removing some of the inside pipe, which makes more shavings. Be sure to drill far enough in to cut through the shoulder of the inside pipe that is formed where it's welded to the end of the muffler. Do this before you use the dremel to cut the inside pipe out, or it'll be very hard to do later with the pipe loose (don't ask how I know this). The shoulder needs to be gone to remove the cut off pipe through the outer exhaust tip. Dremel position when cutting around inner circumference of inside pipe. No need for the flexible extension, as it really doesn't get you any further into pipe. You can remove about 1.25" of the inside pipe with the dremel alone. Victory! Just do this 3 more times and ride. Enjoy! Just did this myself, stage 1 only on the top two holes. Worked well, pretty easy but here are a few more tips I learned. I used the exact Rigid 1" hole saw in the picture. I put it in my milwakee drill in low speed, and used the clutch instead of drill so it wouldn't grab anything to bad. I also held my air nozzle next to the saw to blow through the two holes on the side of the saw. The bit never got warm and I never had to worry about stopping to blow shavings out. No cutting oil necessary. When it came to the cutting discs. I used the cheapo Dremel 420's. Tip I learned is to cut them BEFORE you mount them on the dremel. I used side cutters to cut them in a square, and then nip the corners off to make it look like a stopsignagon. I cut slowly and used a small right angle pick inbetween cutting discs to feel in there for which spots were cut all the way through. This alleviated the pita it is to keep putting discs on to cut things that are already cut. Only used one pack of 20 cutting discs. Also, make sure you put the dremel shank in the chuck far enough. On my last disc I pulled the dremel out and the shank was missing, must have flown out. Can't hear it anywhere though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 Well I bought a dremel, (2) porter cable hole saws 1", and went to work. Drilled the first one out till the pipe was free. Went to work on it with the dremel then looked closely and realized that it was not going to fit out when I'm done cutting. Went back to the hole saw and had already cut too far with the dremel. It broke off and fell in the muffler. SOB!!! ok, no way to get it out because I didn't drill long enough. Move to the next one. The inner teeth of the hole saw stick in so far it makes the outer portion of the pipe paper thin and mangles it. By the time I drilled far enough for the pipe to separate I am drenched. 100% humidity and 96F. So I use needle nose pliers to brake off the mangled part of the pipe and used a screw driver to pry the inner pipe to the side. I did this to three different holes. Bike sounds awesome. Wish I had never bought the dremel. You can see the edge of the inner pipe when you look at the end but honestly I don't care. Sounds good though. Just wanted to post my experience for people that want to spend $10 on a couple hole saws and don't want to have to get a dremel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Took the plunge. Did a 'stage 2' exhaust mod. (this is the four pipe cut, not the full gut/stage 3) I left the pipes mounted, and about 4 hours of work (i have a long learning curve apparently), sweet sweet music! I learned a lot and now, could probably do it in about 2 hrs.... Thought i'd share some wisdom, perhaps it will save others some money and some time: This is essentially the same method posted above, except the pipes stayed on the bike and the chrome end pieces remained in place. I also did not remove the endcaps, only cut the internal mufflers approx. 1.5-2 inches inside the can. Tools I used: 1. Patience. First and formost. perhaps you will doubt yourself as you begin the first cuts, but take your time, the hard work and patience is worth it. Also if you prep your hole saw bits (see below) this helps. 2. Safety glasses. There's going to tons of metel bits everywhere... 3. Bike Cover. See #2. 4. powerful drill. you need one with some balls, a plug in Dewalt or similar works great. 5. 25 mm or 1 inch hole saws. I used two Rigid brand, (Home Depot). (Sears brand has straighter teeth, but the ID (inside diameter) is too tight) One of the most important things i learned regarding hole saws. As mentioned by other posters, the teeth are offset and alternating In/Out. This will chew the Shite out of your endcaps and cause a significant amount of seizing/grabbing. I used a Dremel tool 1/2 in. Sanding drum #407 to take the offset off the tips/realign on both the inside and the outside of the hole saw...just enough to reduce the seizing effect. I did this prep grind after the first cut and noted significant improvement in the smoothness of the cut and decreased seizing. I also used slow steady off/on pressure and the second i got smoke, i pulled out and went to the next hole, allowing the hot one to cool (no need to further harden that weld). I also used plenty of cutting oil. Before i went 'around' again, i hit each hole with the shop vac and compressed air to clear the metel shaving. Overall, this worked very well and went very smoothly. Another thing is to be sure to push all the way through the weld, essentially cleaning off the outside diameter of the exhaust pipe so it can be easily removed. this is very important. Ideally, one would use a 1 inch hole saw with Carbide grind tips, not teeth, but i was unable to find a carbide tipped one smaller than 2 inches. 6. Dremel Tool. I have the flex extension. love it but it's not critical. After a lot of experimentation with mutiple cutting discs (spendy) i have finallized on this. Don't waste your money on the Dremel EZ lock. They cut fine but once you get them down to the 3/4 inches you need to get into the exhaust pipe, you have only a few seconds before you are burned down to the locking mechanism. I used the Reinforeced Cutoff Wheels #456 or #423. One could go through about 30-40 of the heavy duty ceramic wheels and it's a PIA. Or you can grind down the reinforced wheels to the correct diameter. HERE's the TRICK: It take a hell of a lot of grinding to get them down to 3/4 even on a tool steel file or stone ( burned through a hardened 10 inch file just getting two down to size. don't waste your time. Grab your Shears (I used the Wiss straight cutting metal shears) and start snipping off the edges of the wheel. This is surprisingly easy and does not compromise the integrity of the wheel. Work your way around it until you are close (very close) to 3/4in. Spin it on a file or stone to prep and round the edge, then get to cutting. I started the cuts at the 12 oclock and gradually worked my way around. I burned through about 2 wheels per tube (8 total). The exhaust tip dropped loose and i was able to pull it out with needle nose. During the wheel cutting, i again hit the can's with the shop vac and compressed air, trying to keep as much material from building up and interfering with the cutting and i also want a clean can when its over. While vacuuming i would alternate blocking the airflow through the opposite can or the secondary whole to shift airflow in the can and grab more shavings. I then ran a magnet in there to pick up any stray pieces. I then took a fresh cutoff wheel and inserted back into the cans to clean up the cuts on the ends of the pipes. polished out nice. I used the Dremel 1/2 in Sanding Drum to clean up any errent cutting marks in the outlet pipes. This gave a very nice cleaned up appearance on the interior diameter of the outlet pipes. Finally, I used the 511E EZ Lock Finishing Abrasive Buffs - 180 & 280 grit (2 Pack) to polish out the outlet pipes. These are a perfect fit into the pipe and leave a nice brilliant shine on the ID of this pipes. Overall, i'm very happy. haven't road tested yet, but looking forward to a warm day off work... At low and high idle, sound amazing. Give it a shot, i'll try to post pics when i'm not at work (which is almost never) and PM me if you have any questions. Good luck!!!!!!!! I used your method today to open up the top two ports. The bike sounds great! Not annoying loud, but just enough IMHO. I used a Milwakee brand hole saw to do mine. I had to straighten out the teeth like others stated, before it would fit snugly around the pipe. During the dremel cutting I made the mistake and bought the Heavy Duty discs and went through about 15 before going back to the store and getting the reinforced type discs. I used about 5 of the reinforced discs total. During the dremel cutting I fashioned a paper clip to determine where the pipe had cut through and where I needed to still work on. After they were out, I sanded the pipe that was left inside then sprayed a few shots of some Black engine enamle paint inside so that it looks stock while looking into the exhaust. Thanks for the detailed instructions! https://www.dropbox.com/s/l5q9a1v80v3x7k7/2014-05-13%2016.48.14.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStig Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 It'll sound a lot like a bike with no mufflers and the exhaust gasses & sound resonating off the walls of an metal can... exactly what it is. Better to just buy a set of cheap used exhausts if on a tight budget., will sound better and probably give a little more power than gutting silencers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmythecop Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 It'll sound a lot like a bike with no mufflers and the exhaust gasses & sound resonating off the walls of an metal can... exactly what it is. Better to just buy a set of cheap used exhausts if on a tight budget., will sound better and probably give a little more power than gutting silencers... I disagree. I have always said the some of the best sounding bikes ever are 6th gens with gutted stock cans. I prolly shouldnt say "gutted", because this here method leaves a goodly portion of the internals in place and are not gutted or empty. The volume seemed to me to go up only slightly, but the tone got much better and deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNRC51 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I did this today to my 06 and could not be happier. I did all four outlets. Be aware you will need a decent drill for this. My DeWalt got plenty hot. I tried to drill in stages to keep the drill motor and saw as cool as possible. By the last cut the saw is pretty well toast so having two isn't a bad idea. I got mine at Home Depot for about $10. Make sure to use a bimetal saw. A standard wood cutter cant do this.As for sound, it is exactly what I was after. A little throaty growl but not obnoxious. Nowhere near as loud as my RC51. I also like leaving the tips stock looking as well. I did get out for a short ride and it seemed a little smoother at the VTech transition. I am very curious if that impression will hold. Likely I was just riding a little different to "test" the sound. Otherwise, I did not notice anything negative. No loss of power, but no gain judging from the seat but that was not my goal. I just wanted to be able to hear it a little. Even my wife agreed that it sounds a lot better. Before, I could come back in to the garage and she would not know I was home on the VFR. Now she says it sounds mean.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadiantonRob Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I did this type of mod and I love the sound. It's reminiscent of a v8 though flowmasters, since its chambered after all. It also drones a little and sounds better at certain rpms...like flows. I seriously think it sounds better than my 4th gen with the tb header! I would just like to offer up a much faster method on how I did it. I used 2 holesaws, one 1" and 1 3/8", and cut outer diameter hole first, then snuck n between the outlets with the smaller one, thus removing the outer tip and giving the desired results in about 15 minutes start to finish. Takes longer to remove heat shields than to drill. Def a one beer job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estcstm3 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I did this type of mod and I love the sound. It's reminiscent of a v8 though flowmasters, since its chambered after all. It also drones a little and sounds better at certain rpms...like flows. I seriously think it sounds better than my 4th gen with the tb header! I would just like to offer up a much faster method on how I did it. I used 2 holesaws, one 1" and 1 3/8", and cut outer diameter hole first, then snuck n between the outlets with the smaller one, thus removing the outer tip and giving the desired results in about 15 minutes start to finish. Takes longer to remove heat shields than to drill. Def a one beer job Hey GadiantonRob Do mind elaborating, I am trying to picture where you used the 1 3/8 holesaw? DId you do that cut first? Sorry I am newer to the vfr and probably need a better diagram of the internals of the muffler to picture the connection. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadiantonRob Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Loosen and lower/remove exhaust. Remove heat shields. Put larger holesaw around outer tips and drill circle around them. Take smaller holesaw and fit it between the two tips. Drill until outer tip is removeable. Install mufflers and enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph3us Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Just done the outer holesaw followed by the inner dremel trick. It's let the loud out. Kick ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I bought the holesaws but they don't fit... must be slight differences between metric and imperial options... metric over here in Spain.... or maybe from one Brand to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadiantonRob Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 It was a tight fit (giggity), I had to force the inner one in. Try different brands. Just know when you find one that fits, your about 5 mins from glory. Giggity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph3us Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I bought the holesaws but they don't fit... must be slight differences between metric and imperial options... metric over here in Spain.... or maybe from one Brand to another. I had that problem too. I just used a larger holesaw and had no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspanglish Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Well I ended up opting for the following instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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