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Flya, you’ve hit on the difficulty in interpreting dyno charts - what do they mean to the way a motorcycle actually rides? If one is lucky enough to take the two motorcycles in question - Hammerdrill’s 6 gen and Samuelx’s 8 gen - out for a 100 miles or so that includes a bit of city surface streets, a bit of freeway, and healthy helping of one’s favorite twisty roads (I was exactly this lucky), the conclusion drawn would actually be that the 8 gen has more power, and certainly more grunt. This impression comes from the midrange, and my subjective opinion Is that unless we are riding our VFRs on a racetrack or our favorite twisty roads also include 1/2-mile or longer straightaways, we don’t get to tap into the top end power of our motorcycles very often at all. Midrange is where we reside and midrange is what gets us out of a corner. This header project has helped me develop a great respect for torque and hp numbers between 6000 and 10,000 rpms, and it’s taught me the value of professional dyno tuning to precisely and deliberately make both curves - torque and horsepower - smooth and linear so the motorcycle is very pleasantly and eagerly responsive In a predictable manner.

2002 Honda VFR800 with 16822 miles and power, suspension, ergonomic upgrades $4800 16822 original miles, never down, never dropped This motorcycle has been lovingly brought into a state of excellence - no expense spared on professionally implemented tip-to-tail project. Owner no longer able to ride due to health issues. Development of this motorcycle began when bike was stock and had 14,000 miles - only 2800 miles or less on all upgrades Clean California title and current registration Dyno tuned at Attack Performance - individual cylinder tune by top ranked performance shop [See attached dyno chart for horsepower and torque increases] Recent maintenance performed: -Oil change with Mobil 1 synthetic and Purolator Boss filter -K&N HA-8098 big mouth air filter -Engine Ice coolant -Galfer brake and clutch actuation fluid -DID x-ring chain -ProGrip grips -Gel cell battery-New swingarm bearings and seals-New wheel bearings and seals Upgrades [Note: no labor costs included in any pricing]: -Two Brothers Racing replica headers $830 -Header passivation [acid bath] $90 -Headers ceramic coated black $250 -Mufflers professionally modified and coated for performance and sound $1100 -Power Commander V fuel control module $320 -Dyno tune - Attack Performance individual cylinder map $550 -Brand new Dunlop Q3+ tires $330 -Daugherty Motorsports full suspension built for performance riding $1200 (Tuned for 185 lb. rider) CBR600F4i shock valved with spring, built by Jamie Daugherty Forks with DMR rebound-adjustable cartridges and springs built by Jamie Daugherty -Galfer braided stainless steel brake lines front and rear $225 -Sebspeed window clutch cover, custom pressure plate and hardware $300 -Frame, swingarm, drive hub, driver and passenger rearsets, front brake rotor carriers, fork sliders, clutch cover and heat shields all powdercoated black $840 -Radiators anodized black $80 -OEM 8th gen VFR handlebars, bar risers, and triple clamp $280 -Adjustable shorty brake and clutch levers $35 -Sargent seat $420 -8 spoke rear wheel $350 -Powdercoat wheels $160 -Polished gas cap $60 - 3 piece Stompgrip kit $70 -Zero gravity sport touring windscreen $118 -Givi custom shorty windscreen $132 -Techmount Power TechGripper stem phone mount/charger $60 -Roadstercycle Shindengen SH847 regulator/rectifier kit with adapter plate $208 -Tail tidy license plate mount $60 -Speedbleeder nipples on all brake lines $57 -Nautilus air horn with custom bracket $45

Sorry to hear that; I am in the same bot so I feel you. Please do take the ride and take care of yourself.. Once you get a job, you wish you had the time to ride! It sucks hearing about all the layoffs and the economic impact. It's good that we have a therapeutic hobby.

I don't care for camping either. My first couple places to visit I'll have family or friends to stay with though so that'll be nice. I'm considering riding down the sierra nevadas, or maybe riding north into BC/YT, but I have to look and see what's "open" right now.

Believe me, I will be spamming this place with photos as soon as I get my paws on the bike! I'm looking for accessories already, I probably need to stop before I can't afford fuel on the way back. I definitely want a radiator grille having managed to puncture my XJ6 radiator, but they all seem to be for the manual version. I'll take a look at your seating guys, cheers! Edit: R&G do a DCT version of their radiator grill, but I've just realised I'd be crazy to buy one before actually seeing if it has one 😄

In simple terms, max. power only determines top speed. Torque determines how quickly you get there.

That would be a traumatic experience for most, including me. Perhaps I'd been lucky. But practice can bring knowledge and confidence.

Test drove the bike after pair valve delete and oh boy was it different. I might have fixed a vacuum leak when cleaning and reconnecting the hoses. Clutch switch was just dirty. Thanks! Im quite happy with the bike as my first, not too powerless to get bored after a month and still pretty easy to ride especially after pc3 and pair valve delete.

If it ain't leaking then don't touch it would be my advice.

I have to say, in my getting lost travels, I've ridden lots of gravel roads and it did not take long to get over the reluctance to do it. There have been some gravel that turned to imbedded soccer-ball sized rocks. But, undeterred, I learned how to ride standing up and looking further into the distance to pick a general path, avoiding the really big ones. The tires did great, my knees got a workout, and no bad results. It was first gear for miles on end. There was one road from Cedar City, UT to a back enterance to Zion National Park passing near Brians Head, labeled "closed in winter" that became a first-gear-for-miles road but, Holy Socks, what views I had of that other-worldly geology. Bottom line: gravel can be great. edit: I realized this is a picture thread, but I got no picks. Sorry. re-edit: I now recall where the incident in my first paragraph happened. I was riding up the west side of the Noxon Reservoir after camping in the most secluded public campground I'd ever used. Tarmac to the campground and part of the way north. Then deteriorated to a wide "goat trail". This pic is from the campground:

The other day I went exploring, trying to find the route that the Butler map shows between two points. Edit: it appears I missed an important detail on the map and went the wrong way. We rode a paved mountain trail through tons of tree debris and over fallen trees until we simply ran out of pavement and had to go back. Oh well. At least we got to see this great view.

Ready for flight!

Gentlemen, our fellow VFRD member Hammerdrill has run into health problems that have forced him to hang up his riding gear. Sadly, in addition to losing a riding brother, his 6 gen [Named Lola] is now up for sale. This was our 6 gen test bike for dyno tuning on the header project: