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8 hours ago, JZH said:

(and it was very expensive!)

 

 

*THIS*.................... the spanner in the works....

 

Gebruiker is fully integrated in the Dutch frugal society :goofy:

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On 1/16/2020 at 6:29 PM, JZH said:

I used to have a black plastic hugger made by Pyramid Plastics on my '93 FP, but I don't know what happened to it.

 

You don't know what happened to it? That's disconcerting... 😉 

 

Good picture of a similar hugger though. Thanks! I checked the Harris and Durbahn and Pyramid Plastics websites. Harris and Durbahn don’t seem to have anything so interesting for me these days. Pyramid still sells huggers for the 750s. https://pyramid-plastics.co.uk/ They appear to be about like the ones I'd found over here in the USA for about the same price.

 

 

Anyway, since you don’t know what happened to your own FP hugger, I’m guessing it may not have been a complete success. I have this idea that any not perfectly rigid mount could allow the hugger to flex at speed into the spinning tire which, you know, would be bad.

 

There are a few possibilities on Amazon. Not just the Puigs for $25. This one for a BMW caught my eye. $35.

 

 

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It looks like the attachment frame is aluminum. I like that. Strong enough to hold the hugger in place without flexing or cracking. The mounting holes would not be in the right place for a VFR. I’d have to fashion a secondary aluminum adapter of some kind to mate with the swing arm.

 

The thing about any of these possibilities is I have to actually buy the hugger first, then try to adapt it. (re. comment by Dutchy, above) And I'm still smarting about that generic, and currently useless, switch pod set. 😉 I’ll keep thinking on it...

 

BTW, in your picture there’s a cool aluminum rod attached to the swing arm. Is that your own external reinforcement for the hugger mount? Brake rod? Something else? Also, tucked up under the rear fender you have some golden...things. Left and right. I don't have anything similarly tucked in there on my bike. Is that something I should be worried about?
 

 

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The arm is a "torque recation arm". 

 

The golden bits are the rear shock's (external) gas reservoir and the preload adjustor knobbie 🙂

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On 1/18/2020 at 3:53 AM, Dutchy said:

The arm is a "torque recation arm". 

 

The golden bits are the rear shock's (external) gas reservoir and the preload adjustor knobbie 🙂

 

I had to look those up. High tech performance upgrades of dubious value. 😉 (...translation: still more stuff I can't afford...)

 

With all the cool modifications out there, I sometimes feel like I must be missing out. And yet, my bike hasn't let me down yet. It runs and stops and handles fine. One of these days I'll have to get a discerning VFR rider to take the thing around the block to see if there are any issues I'm completely oblivious to. 

 

I feel the same when I order a bottle of wine. If it doesn't make me cough, I figure it's good enough... I should take some classes. 

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The horizontal brake torque arm is an OEM part from an RC30, but it was of somewhat dubious practical value even then, as the people who raced those bikes would almost invariably bin them.  But, the bling value is unquestionable!

 

If I knew what I'd done with that old hugger I'd give it to you, but I just haven't seen it in years--sorry!

 

Ciao,

 

JZH

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2 minutes ago, JZH said:

If I knew what I'd done with that old hugger I'd give it to you, but I just haven't seen it in years--sorry!

 

 

Aaaah yes,  like me, you put stuff in a "very special place so I know where I put it".....

 

Still searching for my spare RC51 keys....  And I have called on Saint Anthony already..... :ph34r:

 

 

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On 2/8/2020 at 7:21 AM, JZH said:

The horizontal brake torque arm is an OEM part from an RC30, but it was of somewhat dubious practical value even then, as the people who raced those bikes would almost invariably bin them.  But, the bling value is unquestionable!

 

If I knew what I'd done with that old hugger I'd give it to you, but I just haven't seen it in years--sorry!

 

So, what you're saying is there are zillions of extra brake torque arms just laying around for the taking? Hmmmmm. I wonder if one would bolt onto my standard gen3 swingarm? 🙂 

 

No worries on the hugger. But thanks for your good intentions! You can tell I'm making progress on the bike because my upgrades are getting more particular. And unnecessary. One of the guys here (BrianF) is selling off his neon yellow wheels with new tires. Wow. Those would brighten things up. But I just don't need them. Too bad my current tires are in fine condition just now...or I might be able to justify the expense. Nonono...  😉

 

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(BrianF wheels and tires, today for sale in Classifieds)

 

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The rear would fit, but the front would not.  Unless you did a triple clamp swap...

 

Ciao,

 

JZH

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15 minutes ago, JZH said:

The rear would fit, but the front would not.  Unless you did a triple clamp swap...

 

Yeah. That ain't gonna happen. Thanks. A good reason not to fret about the opportunity. 

 

Meanwhile, how about this thing? 🙂 For the swing arm bling...it wouldn't have to actually function.

 

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(JZH file image)

 

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You'd have to drill some holes in your swing arm and weld in some bosses to accept the cross-over shaft.  Other than that, no problem!

 

Ciao,

 

JZH

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9 hours ago, JZH said:

You'd have to drill some holes in your swing arm and weld in some bosses to accept the cross-over shaft.  Other than that, no problem!

 

I'm there! You can imagine how eager I'd be to drill random holes in my swingarm...  :))  Couldn't I just use zip ties? 

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Sidestand Cover

 

I hadn't given a sidestand cover much thought until Auspanglish got me thinking on them last week. 

 

 

My bike sure didn't come with one of these and I'm not even sure what its purpose is. Is my kickstand so ugly it needs to be hidden? I'm guessing this cover is the first thing to break off any VFR. What was Honda thinking using ABS down there on the side stand? I've yet to actually even see one in the real world. 

 

Just the same when JZH and VFRCapn and others were good enough to upload a couple photographs, I was able to make up a crude facsimile...using my own CAD(!) ... cardboard aided design. 🙂

 

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The sidestand has two boltholes to attach the cover from the rear into ABS bosses...

 

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But plastic bosses are tough to make even for Honda! (...they seem to be the bits that break off...) so I just used a couple thru bolts from the front side. I'll clean them up if I make a workable piece.

 

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I can't match the elegant lines of the originals but it is sortof okay. Is this what it's supposed to look like? The rest of the bike is so grotty down there it seems a waste to bother with it, but now it's in my head... I'd guess that 90% of the gen3 bikes I see in photographs are missing the sidestand cover.

 

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My current idea would be to cut a 10 inch corner bit of PVC fence post, maybe. I'm thinking that would be sturdy enough stuff to hold up to a certain amount of abuse. It only comes in white, so if it works then owners of white VFRs will have an easy time of it. I'd have to paint. Always one more thing... I wonder if I can find a bit of black PVC fencing...

 

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Sidestand Cover, continued

 

RC1237V added more pictures with additional dimensions at the site linked above. It's giving me more to consider. The angle between the two faces is greater than the 90 degrees I'd assumed it to be. And there's that dimple around the main kickstand swing bolt. I'm not sure there's much I can do about either of those things. If I find a happy scrap of material looking for repurposing I won't sweat the details. A friend has suggested a possible donor source would be a bit of plastic car bumper from the junkyard. Indeed. The material would be sturdy. A handy shape might be found. And they even come in colors. I'm not sure if they make bumpers from PVC or polypropylene. They're probably not ABS.

 

Here's a picture from RC1237V. 

 

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I was thinking of accommodating the spacing and structure of the bosses with just a couple of rubber stoppers. They'd be sturdy enough, and flexible to absorb some shocks. I'd still thru-bolt from the face of the cover. For the moment though I'm stuck until I stumble onto something handy that wants to be the actual cover... I'm on it.

 

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(rubber stopper thru bolted from front. It'll serve as a spacer boss. I'd need a second one for the other bolt, obviously)

 

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ABS sheet in various thickness is available from eBay and is easily moulded with heat .... ABS pipe cement is dirt cheap or Model X Pro if you want a quick set

 

Acetone will soften it and you can make a dimple impression or mould it in with ABS sludge ..... I’ve been rebuilding my RC24 fairing panels and it’s surprising what can be done with ABS 

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18 hours ago, Thumbs said:

ABS sheet in various thickness is available from eBay and is easily moulded with heat .... ABS pipe cement is dirt cheap or Model X Pro if you want a quick set

 

Acetone will soften it and you can make a dimple impression or mould it in with ABS sludge ..... I’ve been rebuilding my RC24 fairing panels and it’s surprising what can be done with ABS 

 

Yes! ABS repairs have worked pretty good for me so far. The sludge forgiving and adaptable. But fashioning a complete piece in ABS is an extra challenge. The original sidestand cover is ABS and it breaks every time. The piece is just not strong enough...and we're talking about the genuine cover, the one with engineered reinforcement in the bosses and along the edges. Those refinements would be beyond me.

 

So I've been looking for a more durable solution. No matter what material I find, it's going to have to be relatively thick and much tougher than the ABS elsewhere on the bike. But I'll keep looking at the ABS possibilities too. It's all an experiment. Thanks for the encouragement 🙂

 

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1 hour ago, Gebruiker said:

 

Yes! ABS repairs have worked pretty good for me so far. The sludge forgiving and adaptable. But fashioning a complete piece in ABS is an extra challenge. The original sidestand cover is ABS and it breaks every time. The piece is just not strong enough...and we're talking about the genuine cover, the one with engineered reinforcement in the bosses and along the edges. Those refinements would be beyond me.

 

So I've been looking for a more durable solution. No matter what material I find, it's going to have to be relatively thick and much tougher than the ABS elsewhere on the bike. But I'll keep looking at the ABS possibilities too. It's all an experiment. Thanks for the encouragement 🙂

 

If nothing else use the ABS as a mould and make it out of carbon fibre 

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On 2/23/2020 at 11:22 AM, Thumbs said:

If nothing else use the ABS as a mould and make it out of carbon fibre 

 

Carbon fibre? Who am I, rocketman? If I can’t make an ABS copy, then carbon fibre is way way beyond my skill set. 😉

 

To be clear, I don’t actually have possession of even a broken OEM sidestand cover. But as you mention it, I’m thinking that application of a carbon fibre blanket over an old ABS original would be a very good idea, adding strength to the right form. I’d have to read up on how to do that. I’m not trying to diss you.  🙂

 

This is the latest thing I was given to try to adapt. Yesterday. From a friend’s Subaru:

 

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This is how far I am away to carbon fibre, kevlar or graphene. It is pretty good bumper material, PE, polyethylene, but the scrap is too narrow for me to cut down to the right dimensions. So I’ll keep looking…

 

Carbon fibre. I’d never have thought of that… I'll begin to roll it around in my head. Thanks again 🙂

 


 

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