Member Contributer crazybrother Posted August 15, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 15, 2014 #1 2012 Honda CRF 450x (Plated) Yeah, that's right. #2 2010 Honda VFR 1200F (Don Guhl's Magic Mod) #3 1983 Yamaha XT 550 1. Place BMW K 1300 S 2009 2. Place BMW K 1200 S 2006 3. Place HONDA CBR 1100 XX 1997 4. Place HONDA VFR 1200 F 2010 , bought May 2014 2. hand Curtent bike is the Vfr , sorry to say it is way behind both my previous Bmw `s , allthougt I have modified the Vfr for 2700 US $ i am still not happy with it :-( . Take that ECU out and send it to Don Guhl and you will be happy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auron Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 Test rode a ZX14, I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizbat Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 VFR 1200 VTX 1800 R/S Kawasaki 500 Triple, I was a kid and still immortal so even though it was deadly, it sure was fun. Not going to count the Dirt Bikes they were a lot of fun to but in a different way. Triple was quite the bike!Sent from my DROID4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lshark Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 here's why you will not see that belt drive VFR http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/05/09/ask-kevin-shaft-drive-or-belt-drive/ First Kevin will see an belt drive RC45 then a VFR because for every problem there is an solution all it takes is some engineering... why spend the $$$ to engineer something that there is already a better solution for ???........ what is Marquez running on ol' # 93 ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizbat Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 1st: 2003 Blackbird 2nd: 2013 VFR12 3rd: 1985 VF700F 4th: 1981 CB750F That Blackbird is quite the bike, just felt really good in the mountains..! However, the VFR12 ranks very close.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lshark Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 1st 2010 VFR1200F 2nd 1983 VF750F Interceptor tie(i guess) 1976 CB750F and 2000 GL1500c Valkyrie well, i hate to admit it, but those are all the street bikes i've EVER owned ...spent many summers touring with rock and roll bands, not much time to ride...but i'm making up for it now...the VFR12 is getting close to the Interceptor in mileage...bought all but the Valk new...i really think the VFR is an incredibly versatile bike...i hate to sound like a Honda ad, but this bike just fits me like a glove..i like a big stable bike so the weight doesn't bother me ...it does mountain roads well, long fast highway trips..whatever...i drove it to work in Manhattan last night and it tore up the city...it's the perfect bike for me....did a little suspension tweeking the other day and...!!!holy wow!! ... had alot of dirt bikes...fav CR250R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynajohn Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 1st: 2003 Blackbird 2nd: 2013 VFR12 3rd: 1985 VF700F 4th: 1981 CB750F That Blackbird is quite the bike, just felt really good in the mountains..! However, the VFR12 ranks very close.. The XX was quite a bike. That it still stands up well in comparison is a testament to the excellent balance it had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkwood Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 My top 3 are 1. 1989 zx 750r 2. 2010 vfr 1200 3. 2007 vfr 800 Absolutly loved the 750. Piped and jetted was a really sweet ride. 75k miles on it.when i spun a bearing Hated the vfr 800. Such a pig from what i was coming off of. The 1200 is such a rocket ! Love the sound with the 2 bros pipe on it. Think ill be doing a naked bike after this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted August 19, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 19, 2014 why spend the $$$ to engineer something that there is already a better solution for ???........ what is Marquez running on ol' # 93 ???? why spend the $$$ to engineer something that there is already a better solution for ???........ what is Marquez running on ol' # 93 ???? Chains are a pain and belts spell relief... even Marquez would benefit from a light weight belt drive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lshark Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 the RC213V would shred a belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted August 19, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 19, 2014 the RC213V would shred a belt Negative... Belts are stronger than most people believe... take 37mm wide 14mm pitch Gates Poly Chain... it is strong enough to handle a 502 HP 425 Ft lb Boss Hoss... in fact most of the Boss Hoss product line employs belts... But Honda would not be the first because Eddie Lawson raced 250 Gp on a belt drive Kawasaki... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lshark Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 it's about suspension travel not raw power and why didn't the Kawasaki belt drive system remain so popular in racing ???? that was a long time ago....(they went back to chains) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted August 21, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 21, 2014 it's about suspension travel not raw power and why didn't the Kawasaki belt drive system remain so popular in racing ???? that was a long time ago....(they went back to chains) I would adjust belt tension on Mr.RC45 5 inch suspension travel the same way I did on my VF500 Belt-0-Ceptor 5 inch suspension travel... so that the correct tension falls with the + and - tolerances prescribed by Gates Engineering... Belt drives are still popular because they offer a number of benefits over chains... 1) Belts are a straight 2% HP loss but never take more as miles pile up whereas a chain starts at the same 2% efficiency but as miles are piled on they take more HP... 2) Belts afford 4 lbs less in unsprung weight... 3) Belts last about 3 times longer than chain... 4) Belts don't need lube... 5) Belts are positive drives and don't have annoying chain snatch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lshark Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 so glad the VFR12 is a shaft drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted August 22, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 22, 2014 so glad the VFR12 is a shaft drive And its the least efficient BUT in most cases the most reliable . But now you could buy one of these. It has gear drive AND belt drive . The Polaris Slingshot. $25,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted August 22, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 22, 2014 Oh yeah 0-60 3 seconds !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted August 22, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 22, 2014 so glad the VFR12 is a shaft drive If Honda would have engineered a belt drive it would have saved owners $4148 dollars and drop 40 pounds of unsprung weight... after all a maintenance free dive doesn't have to cost or weight as much as it does on the 1200cc Veefalo... $4148.00 / 40 pound shaft system... $800 / 4 pound belt drive system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyice Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Who the hell wants a Belt Drive I'll pay the extra and stay with a Shaft. Lot's of nice Harleys out there with Belts and they have become renowned for their dependability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marriedman Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 BLS - I have no emotion attachment to chains/belts/shafts, but neither do I have an education in the real world benefits of them either. I am used to chains, but I don't particularly care for them because of the mess. So the belt makes sense there. But a shaft is even less maintenance and looks nice and tidy. So 2 questions for you: Where did you get that dollar figure for the sharft drive? Does it really cost that much? What happened to make you such a belt fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duccmann Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 84 750 INTERCEPTOR 99 FZR 1000 (what a rocket) stolen in three weeks 94 DUC 900SS 02.VFR..back to the begging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted August 23, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 23, 2014 BLS - I have no emotion attachment to chains/belts/shafts, but neither do I have an education in the real world benefits of them either. I am used to chains, but I don't particularly care for them because of the mess. So the belt makes sense there. But a shaft is even less maintenance and looks nice and tidy. So 2 questions for you: Where did you get that dollar figure for the sharft drive? Does it really cost that much? What happened to make you such a belt fan? My local dealer friend is where I got the cost of the shaft drive... My homemade Belt-0-Ceptor is what happened... You see this is my second belt drive conversion... my first was my 84 VF500 Interceptor... back in 86 I was at the Daytona 200 and managed a meeting with HRC Engineers on the possibility for converting my VF500F Interceptor from chain to a 8mm belt... they stated to me that it was *impossible* to add a belt drive *their* bike because I would need to start with a belt and design the whole bike around it... I thought OK I got my answer from the experts but I wasn't happy about abandoning my dream of a light weight maintenance free drive system... I'm the type who can not stop thinking about solving a problem... I had to solved it and I did... when I show cased my engineering and machining work to the same engineers they nodded affirmative and ask what was I going to do next to my bike??? maybe build my own aluminum frame I shot back... this time they replied that I was probably the one who could to that as well as the conversion... I racked up 98,000 trouble free miles... I sold it to my Air Force buddy up in White City Oregon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3racer Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 the belt drive system is pretty cool. As of right now the only issue i have with my shaft drive system is the lack a gearing changes that i can make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynajohn Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 BLS - I have no emotion attachment to chains/belts/shafts, but neither do I have an education in the real world benefits of them either. I am used to chains, but I don't particularly care for them because of the mess. So the belt makes sense there. But a shaft is even less maintenance and looks nice and tidy. So 2 questions for you: Where did you get that dollar figure for the sharft drive? Does it really cost that much? What happened to make you such a belt fan? My local dealer friend is where I got the cost of the shaft drive... My homemade Belt-0-Ceptor is what happened... You see this is my second belt drive conversion... my first was my 84 VF500 Interceptor... back in 86 I was at the Daytona 200 and managed a meeting with HRC Engineers on the possibility for converting my VF500F Interceptor from chain to a 8mm belt... they stated to me that it was *impossible* to add a belt drive *their* bike because I would need to start with a belt and design the whole bike around it... I thought OK I got my answer from the experts but I wasn't happy about abandoning my dream of a light weight maintenance free drive system... I'm the type who can not stop thinking about solving a problem... I had to solved it and I did... when I show cased my engineering and machining work to the same engineers they nodded affirmative and ask what was I going to do next to my bike??? maybe build my own aluminum frame I shot back... this time they replied that I was probably the one who could to that as well as the conversion... I racked up 98,000 trouble free miles... I sold it to my Air Force buddy up in White City Oregon... Congratulations, nice work. Perhaps you would consider doing a conversion on the VFR 1200. If you can produce a complete drive conversion that will perform as well as the VFR 500 you might have a winner. Heck there was a small market for chain drive conversions for Yamaha V-Max's. $4,148 may or may not be the complete retail parts cost for the complete shaft drive assembly on a VFR 1200 but it certainly is not the added cost of production from Honda for each VFR 1200 produced. No Honda dealer is privy to the Honda production costs for component parts or assemblys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted August 26, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 26, 2014 Congratulations, nice work. Perhaps you would consider doing a conversion on the VFR 1200. If you can produce a complete drive conversion that will perform as well as the VFR 500 you might have a winner. Heck there was a small market for chain drive conversions for Yamaha V-Max's. Thank you... and I already did an engineering study and since Honda designed the out put shaft lower than the swingarm pivot its not possible to do a chain let alone a belt conversion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynajohn Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Congratulations, nice work. Perhaps you would consider doing a conversion on the VFR 1200. If you can produce a complete drive conversion that will perform as well as the VFR 500 you might have a winner. Heck there was a small market for chain drive conversions for Yamaha V-Max's. Thank you... and I already did an engineering study and since Honda designed the out put shaft lower than the swingarm pivot its not possible to do a chain let alone a belt conversion... Even if you didn't face the swingarm pivot location issue it would be a lot more expensive than the one you did on the VFR 500 which had a chain drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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