frodus Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 So the guy I bought my motorcycle from isn't wanting to help me get a duplicate title. Its been lost. He is the owner, but since he doesn't live in new york anymore they can't duplicate the title. I know its not stolen. Plus, new york has purged the title from the system since it hasn't been registered in 15 years. He just used it at the track or something. NY said they'd send a letter to him stating that the title has been purged and a new one must be created. So NY can't register it, and he won't go to the DMV to register it in FL. He said he doesn't have time. Anyone know of what I could do? I was considering salvage/abandoned? I know There's title services, but I'm not sure what I get... and if it will even jive with the Oregon DMV. Oregon said no title for me, if I don't have the title signed to me. But i remember a guy a couple years back saying that its easy to get a lost title for a motorcycle, but I'm not seeing that its so easy... maybe I'm missing something. Thanks for any suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baileyrock Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 The easiest way to more forward on it is to have him sign and have notarized a limited POA (power of attorney) for the bike and VIN. along with a bill of sale, this should give you legal means to do whatever is possible whatever that might be. Many states are purging after as little as 10 years or sooner. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud786 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Do ya want to hear ya shouldnt have bought it without the title in your hand? Okay , I wont :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tightwad Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I had a similar deal. I filed an abandoned vehicle application. They sent a registered letter(at my expense) to the owner of record. Naturally the owner was long gone from that address, the letter came back to them, and the vehicle was mine. This was with a Watercraft in Utah, but i am sure a similar situation exists for abandoned vehicles in other states. Alternatively you can file a mechanics lien, then foreclose on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodus Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 Yeah, I was thinking about doing the abandoned thing. He'd sign it over to me, if thats all he had to do. If the bike wasn't in great condition, and only $400 bucks, I wouldn't have done it. I've already made my money back parting some of it out..... I'm actually converting to electric, so the engine/electrical/exhaust have been removed. So, after all is said and done, I've got a rolling chassis that only cost me 200 bucks. I could easily make the rest if I parted out the remainder of the bike. So its not a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baileyrock Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Yeah, I was thinking about doing the abandoned thing. He'd sign it over to me, if thats all he had to do.If the bike wasn't in great condition, and only $400 bucks, I wouldn't have done it. I've already made my money back parting some of it out..... I'm actually converting to electric, so the engine/electrical/exhaust have been removed. So, after all is said and done, I've got a rolling chassis that only cost me 200 bucks. I could easily make the rest if I parted out the remainder of the bike. So its not a loss. Well if your building a bike, then it will become an 07 homemade m/c. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Well if your building a bike, then it will become an 07 homemade m/c. :thumbsup: Exactly. You'll need a bill of sale and/or receipt to prove that you purchased all the necessary parts, or previously owned them, then you will have to get it inspected at the nearest STATE inspection station. They will issue you a new VIN which you can then try to get insurance with... That's how NY's process works, I found out because I have this dream of building my own T-rex... with a ZX-10R motor... :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodus Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 Concerning titling it as a "kit" vehicle...thats something I hadn't really thought about yet. I'm going to get information from the DMV tomorrow. I don't know a ton of people that have converted. Do you have to have a title when you purchase a motorcycle frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 My former girlfriend lost the title to my VFR shortly after I bought it and before I had it put in my name. It was a nightmare. TN doesn't give you much room to screw around. I had to pay sales tax on it twice to get the title. Things might be different in your state. BR probably has the best idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodus Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 Can't title it as a kit, Apparently you need the title or some manufacturer certificate of origin. I'll get things setup for him, then if he doesn't, I can file for abandoned vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 In California we have a form called Duplicate title and transfer. If he is the last owner of record it is the form to use. If not then use an application for new registration and say you bought it at a yard sale for $100. The vins will need to be verified by dmv or a police or highway patrol person. Your state is always happy to take your money (registration)...you just need to find the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodus Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 He can't do duplicate title because A) Its been purged, so they have no record. Its been destroyed. B) He doesn't live in new york, and FL needs something from NY stating its been destroyed. All I need is: VIN inspection from a police officer in Oregon Letter from NY stating they destroyed the title, and cannot make a copy, and that it has to be reprocessed in the state he's in Title application (without registration) He needs: ID Proof of address the stuff above Then he goes to a title office (Not the DMV) and give it all to them. He just isn't as willing as he stated before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Bill of sale + apply for 'homebuilt' title. Try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodus Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 In order to do it as homebuilt, it can't look like another vehicle, and if it uses a frame from another vehicle, you must have a title for the frame. Especially motorcycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer oyama Posted October 17, 2007 Member Contributer Share Posted October 17, 2007 Have you tried this? I am not sure how legal it is. Would this help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer JZH Posted October 18, 2007 Member Contributer Share Posted October 18, 2007 I once got a title for an NC30 I had intended to take back to the 'States using one of the title services (this one was in Nevada, but I think they got the bike titled in Maine). Never shipped the bike (because I never came back to the 'States) so I never tried to get the new title converted into an actual registration, but in theory it should have worked. However, before you use an online title service, you may want to read this thread. Ciao, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodus Posted October 18, 2007 Author Share Posted October 18, 2007 Thanks for the help guys.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 I would caution you on the homebuilt option. Insurance companies are classifying homebuilt as everything poorly engineered, radical and dangerous like those choppers they build on tv and in the back shed. Homebuilt = high insurance rates. Someone had this issue with a vespa scooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodus Posted October 18, 2007 Author Share Posted October 18, 2007 I would caution you on the homebuilt option. Insurance companies are classifying homebuilt as everything poorly engineered, radical and dangerous like those choppers they build on tv and in the back shed. Homebuilt = high insurance rates. Someone had this issue with a vespa scooter. Well, found a frame on ebay, he's calculating shipping on it. Its got a clear title. The homebuilt was last ditch effort... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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