5th Gen Center Stand Install

[Awol1379]

Hello everyone, just joined the website after years of owning my 2001 VFR800.

I got a center stand off eBay from a parts bike and I’m trying to get it installed. I looked at the diagrams online and have the parts lined up after having to take the exhaust off.

 

The problem I’m having is that the center stand when in the up position is hitting the rear tire on the right side.

 

Does anyone have ideas as to why this is happening or how to correct the issue? I have attached pictures of the right and left sides. 

[Dash]

Did the parts bike crash on the right side, bending the center stand?

 

Is the back end (tire size, wheel/offset, swingarm) of your bike stock?

[vfrgiving]

32 minutes ago, Dash said:

 

 

Is the back end (tire size, wheel/offset, swingarm) of your bike stock?

 

This.  I just walked outside and looked at my VFR.  The mounting looks correct.  Do you have the stock 17 tooth front, 43 tooth rear and 108 link 530 chain on there, or was a conversion done.  Based on how close your tire looks to everything, is the wheel and bearing carrier ran all the way forward?

[bmart]

There are only a few choices, right? Wrong center stand or mounted incorrectly. Chain adjustment/length. Tire size. Let me take a few shots of my two. BRB.

[bmart]

Both of mine are running 530 17/45 drive. Rear tires are both 180/55-17. 

 

Plenty of clearance on both. 

 

 

 

 

[vfrgiving]

Adding to the measurements... this is what I see at feet to feet distance.  In case I missed it, did you buy your bike without a center stand?  It's very unusual to see a fifth generation VFR without a center stand.  What necessitated the eBay replacement?

 

 

 

[Awol1379]

I checked and the front sprocket is 16 tooth and the rear has 43 teeth. The chain, if I counted right, is 106 links.  The center stand is not bent and has the same measurements. I decided to add a center stand since it didn’t have one when I bought it used. I just ordered a Spanner to adjust the bearing carrier. 

[vfrgiving]

Measure the distance between the center of the swingarm pivot cap, and the center of the rear hub carrier nut.  That will tell you how far the rear hub has been ran forward.  On my VFR that has new chain and sprockets adjusted to adequate chain slack (stock setup with 17T front, 43T rear, 108 link chain), that distance is around 21"   See below.

[Awol1379]

I have the rear tire lifted and I loosened the bearing carrier. I ended up taking the chain off and planning on replacing it while I’m this deep into it.
 

I moved the bearing carrier and it measured 21 1/2 and the center stand lifts up now. There is 1 1/2 inches on the left side and 1/2 inch on the right side. Not sure why it’s asymmetrical, I think it should be more even in the distance the feet of the stand should be from the tire.

 

Forgot to say in my precious post, the rear tire is a 180/55/17. 

[Dash]

Awol - on the right foot of your center stand, is the outside edge a bit rough?

[Awol1379]

56 minutes ago, Dash said:

Awol - on the right foot of your center stand, is the outside edge a bit rough?

I don’t believe it is, why? I’ll have to check for sure tonight but I’m more than positive it isn’t rough and looks factory smooth. 

[vfrgiving]

Something's up that wouldn't be chain length related.  I looked at both my VFRs from the back and the right stand foot exists outside the plane of the tire.  Even if I was to run the bearing carrier all the way forward the feet shouldn't touch the tire.  Is the rear wheel a stock 5th gen wheel? 

 

[bmart]

Makes me wonder if the mounting bracket isn't bent from an accident (causing the removal of the center stand originally). 

[vfrgiving]

Maybe look at deployed offset between the feet and the mounting points as a sign something has been tweaked?  If the bottom of the stand has shifted to the left, maybe that will put the right foot more directly under the mount.  There's no measurements here, but I drew the lines starting up top between the frame mounting point and the stand.  See where the feet live in relation to the attachment points.

 

 

[Awol1379]

I checked and there are no rash or dents on the stand. The mount I no bracket shows no signs of being bent either. I tried to take photos of the offset the best I could. The wheel is the stock from my understanding and the tire size is stock. 

[bmart]

Any chance that the previous owner put a spacer between the hub and wheel? 

[Awol1379]

1 hour ago, bmart said:

Any chance that the previous owner put a spacer between the hub and wheel? 

I don’t believe there is any spacer. I had the hub apart last year and didn’t notice any spacer. I might have to check again and see. 

[vfrcapn]

14 hours ago, Awol1379 said:

I have the rear tire lifted and I loosened the bearing carrier. I ended up taking the chain off and planning on replacing it while I’m this deep into it.
 

I moved the bearing carrier and it measured 21 1/2 and the center stand lifts up now. There is 1 1/2 inches on the left side and 1/2 inch on the right side. Not sure why it’s asymmetrical, I think it should be more even in the distance the feet of the stand should be from the tire.

 

Forgot to say in my precious post, the rear tire is a 180/55/17. 

Seems like the short 106 link chain was the problem, put a new 108 link chain on and you're good to go. I looked at my c-stand vs. yours and I'm not seeing any noticeable bends or twists in the stand in comparison.

 

Got pics of the full bike?

[vfrgiving]

From the pictures your center stand looks brand new.  I have my doubts the mount would bend as that's one big chunk of metal.  I would expect to see cracking if it took that sort of impact.  🤷‍♂️

 

I guess at this point try the stock chain, and sprocket count and see where that lands you.

[bmart]

108 links here. 

[Bren]

Loosen the hub/carrier bolt and slip the chain off the sprocket. Then guess/measure where a 108 link chain would position the rear wheel, check your stand clearance then. At least you'd then know if it was the shorter chain or something else. It sounds very short!

 

Think about it, one link (without measuring) is approx 20mm or so +/- so you're straight away -40mm minimum. 

I've just got back from a work trip so I can post measurements tomorrow if needed,  @vfrgiving already posted quite a few already and is really trying to help out.

[DannoXYZ]

Amount wheel moves is only 1/2 change in links distance. Adding 2 links to chain lengthens it 32mm and moves wheel back 16mm.

[Awol1379]

I did spray paint the center stand black due to it having minor surface rust, since it was used, but I did not see any signs of damage. I’m going to look further into it tonight and double check the stand and check the mounting points. It seems pretty off in measurement from the stand to the wheel. I’ll post photographs with measurements for the stand and check the mount underneath the bike.  
 

here are photos I have of the bike before trying to get the center stand on...

[Awol1379]

Sorry haven’t had time to post on here. I took more pictures of the center stand and ordered OEM sprockets. Looking at the center stand further, I think the stand my be bent, but I don’t see any signs of where it would have been hit and none of the welds are cracked/damaged. Are center stands known for being damaged easily?