Alaskan Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, CandyRedRC46 said: Back in 2009 when I did my ebay header (Motad), two brothers slip on, bmc filter, modded air box, power commander 3 and custom "Dynojet" tune. For comparison, here is a chart from my 2004 after fitting a PCIII and LV cans and a K&N filter.The main advantage here is a smoother VTEC transition, not a dramatic increase in power. The motorcycle is more pleasant to ride now, but it won't win any drag races . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 CR, I Spy SATO rearsets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 18 hours ago, Alaskan said: For comparison, here is a chart from my 2004 after fitting a PCIII and LV cans and a K&N filter.The main advantage here is a smoother VTEC transition, not a dramatic increase in power. The motorcycle is more pleasant to ride now, but it won't win any drag races . . . Your Dyno tuner definitely did a better job than my tuner did, but I have since switched out my PC3 for RB3 and later RB Racing with autotune and it is much improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Alaskan said: CR, I Spy SATO rearsets! One of my favorite mods, when combined with GP shift/ RB Quick shifter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Factory stock 2005 VFR800. Blue line is dead stock. Red line is stock with fuel map only tuning. Green line is stock with fuel mapping corrected and ignition mapping tuned for premium fuel. To show the dramatic increase in area under the curve and drivability, dyno's were done at 13%, 23% and 100% throttle. 13% throttle. Stock vs fuel vs fuel and ignition tuning. 23% throttle. Stock vs fuel tuning. 100% throttle. Stock vs fuel tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Here is another chart showing what the transition was like before custom mapping and after. Amazing difference in smoothness. I want to see the OP's chart when all is said and done . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, Alaskan said: Here is another chart showing what the transition was like before custom mapping and after. Amazing difference in smoothness. I want to see the OP's chart when all is said and done . . . That is a sweet torque curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2k1GoneWild Posted November 21, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 25 minutes ago, CandyRedRC46 said: Two Brothers Headers (USA) $800 Two Brothers Slip on (USA) $600 Ceramic coating (USA) $160 Sold extra two brothers can -$100 Before/After ceramic coating and USD forks/Radial brakes. Yup but that looks a lot like a 6th Gen VFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Just now, 2k1GoneWild said: Yup but that looks a lot like a 6th Gen VFR So that makes it even better ;) whats your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 When all is said and done, there isn't much difference between the 6th Gen and the 5th Gen power in the power department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 18 minutes ago, Alaskan said: When all is said and done, there isn't much difference between the 6th Gen and the 5th Gen power in the power department Pretty much. You just trade one cool sound for another cool sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2k1GoneWild Posted November 21, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 45 minutes ago, Alaskan said: Here is another chart showing what the transition was like before custom mapping and after. Amazing difference in smoothness. I want to see the OP's chart when all is said and done . . . I spoke to the local DynoJet tech who will be custom mapping my VFR, that's about what he said the custom fuel map will bring in a few more HP and he can make sure it's not running to rich at the higher rpm's. I'll have to drop it off and leave it with him for a few days, right now I'm just getting the fork kit installed but was not happy with the SKF seals, so I went ahead and ordered up the K&L fork seal, dust seal,bushing and the gizmo to drive them in along with some PJ1 Golf 5w fork oil. I want the front forks perfect, I like DMr Jamie's kit a lot, so I'm going to replace everything right once and fill it with 500 cc of oil 13cm down from compressed tube and with 1.5cm preload and don't crush the adjusting needle when torquing the cap. I practiced all day Sunday, just want the fresh parts and then it should be and feel perfect ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2k1GoneWild Posted November 21, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 47 minutes ago, CandyRedRC46 said: That is a sweet torque curve. Yup that's good info but remember I went ahead a loaded an off the shelf PC3 fuel map off the website to match up my Euro ECU, that's what gave me the idea to get the Euro ECU when I saw there were a whole series of PC3 fuel maps out there already so I'm not so sure I'm going to see dramatic results and am somewhat concerned so I'll make sure to first get a baseline with with what I loaded, stock does not really matter that's just going to cost me Dyno time $$$? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2k1GoneWild Posted November 21, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 32 minutes ago, Alaskan said: When all is said and done, there isn't much difference between the 6th Gen and the 5th Gen power in the power department Yeah but for some reason there are much less aftermarket 5th gen out there like TB has zilch ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 LOL you know that there is "a whole series" of PC3 fuel maps available for the US VFR800 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2k1GoneWild Posted November 21, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 14 minutes ago, CandyRedRC46 said: Pretty much. You just trade one cool sound for another cool sound. Except the gear driven cam is going to hang in there much longer than a chain, it's got a special sound unlike a chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2k1GoneWild Posted November 21, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 minute ago, CandyRedRC46 said: LOL you know that there is "a whole series" of PC3 fuel maps available for the US VFR800 right? Yup but my ECU is EURO Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, 2k1GoneWild said: Yup that's good info but remember I went ahead a loaded an off the shelf PC3 fuel map off the website to match up my Euro ECU, that's what gave me the idea to get the Euro ECU when I saw there were a whole series of PC3 fuel maps out there already so I'm not so sure I'm going to see dramatic results and am somewhat concerned so I'll make sure to first get a baseline with with what I loaded, stock does not really matter that's just going to cost me Dyno time $$$? Stock Baseline matters because it would finally shut you up about adding 10/11/12/13/14/15/16/17/18/19/20 whp when in reality you would be lucky to get 5whp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, 2k1GoneWild said: Except the gear driven cam is going to hang in there much longer than a chain, it's got a special sound unlike a chain Just replace the CCT's every 30-50k miles and the chains will out last the rest of the bike. They do not fail on VFR's. Gear driven cams make a "special sound" and so does VTEC, but unfortunately, gear driven cams do not allow for cam degreeing or head milling... Also VTEC allows for much better low end torque when properly tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyRedRC46 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, 2k1GoneWild said: Yup but my ECU is EURO Germany Which means absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2k1GoneWild Posted November 21, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, CandyRedRC46 said: Stock Baseline matters because it would finally shut you up about adding 10/11/12/13/14/15/16/17/18/19/20 whp when in reality you would be lucky to get 5whp. It's got the max possible factory whp now with my recipe, trust me, you'll see it's going to end up in the 110 whp clubhouse "hall of fame" plus look and feel as fresh as it is fast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Terry Posted November 21, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, 2k1GoneWild said: Yeah but for some reason there are much less aftermarket 5th gen out there like TB has zilch ? 5th gens were only sold between 1998 and 2001, 6th gens were sold from from 2002 to 2014, so many more years hence more in circulation I'd expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2k1GoneWild Posted November 21, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, CandyRedRC46 said: Which means absolutely nothing. It's going to mean more torque on the upswing and less engine braking on the way down, you'll see what I been talking about on the DynoJet, when I switched out ECU A for ECU G it ran out much fuller to the upper RPM range ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dustin Posted November 21, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, CandyRedRC46 said: Just replace the CCT's every 30-50k miles and the chains will out last the rest of the bike. They do not fail on VFR's. Gear driven cams make a "special sound" and so does VTEC, but unfortunately, gear driven cams do not allow for cam degreeing or head milling... Also VTEC allows for much better low end torque when properly tuned. This is the best breakdown of the two gens I've seen so far. Nice one :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2k1GoneWild Posted November 21, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted November 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, Terry said: 5th gens were only sold between 1998 and 2001, 6th gens were sold from from 2002 to 2014, so many more years hence more in circulation I'd expect. I know and I been real lucky with my timing on sourcing parts. This 5th Gen VFR will have a nice combination of best of best possible. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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