Infidel

Why do you say that? What's up with Vortex?

Yeah. Retired this year but still over here sluggin it out as a civilian. Got rocked this morning hehe. All is good though and thanks for the comments. Like I said, I learned a lot here. You never realize the amount of damage that could be caused just by a slight drop. I had little confidence in non drillings till I was pointed to Oggy knobs and have confidence after seeing the pics my wife sent me. Some thick brackets. Pricey but liked the style. Was just looking for tip over protection. Good info here that wasn't in some of the other slider threads. Could make for a good search for someone looking for the info in here. EDIT: Had to re-read something.. can you explain to me the whole "Frame is scratched" is totaling the bike? Sorry if this is getting side tracked.

Right next to the "Bashing NON drilling sliders based on you don't cut the fairing is getting old" smilie. Although rather new to street riding, I have yet to see any type of fast crash or accident IRL or on Youtube where just because you drilled your fairing and mounted a "R E A L" slider, you just saved your bike. Give me a break. Most of us get the NON drill types for tip overs. I bought Oggy Knobs. Don't have them installed yet and were kind of pricey but they will do what I want them to do. I have no doubt about it. There is an even BIGGER misconception that they only protect the frame. I guess my bike tipping over or someone doing stunts at 5 MPH and their bike tips over is going to total their bike? They are meant to do a number of things... not just protect the frame. You don't have to be a 40 year vet of street riding or a 5 year vet of these forums to know that. /rant off Now back to your topic. What do you want them to do? Tip over protection like I wanted them for? There is a few out there that have a bracket mounted behind the fairing and then the slider mounts to that. I bought Oggy Knobs and will install them when I get home. Don't have all the info as I am still at work and they are a tad pricey but I got them on a deal. Search has a couple great threads on them. If I remember when I get home from work, I think I have them in my favorites. No slider of any type will protect the bike in every situation. The very best sliders are hardbags anyway. I know folks who think there bike will be fine in any tip or crash just because they have sliders. THEY ARE CALLED FRAME SLIDERS, NOT FAIRING PROTECTORS. Frame sliders can also dig in and cause a bike to start flipping in self destruct mode. I absolutly never said that a real slider will save a bike. I've seen the bobbins or whatever you want to call them smash radiators and bust fairings. None are perfect. No cuts may work in one situation and not another and vice versa. And yes a 5mph crash can total your bike. Dent in the tank, busted radiator, busted fairing's, dented wheel, guess what it's totaled. I was under the impression that the frame was on the inside of the fairing. Guess my bike was made different. I also learned that a dented gas tank totals a bike. I thought total meant total loss. Guess I have a lot to learn about bikes. :fing02:

Right next to the "Bashing NON drilling sliders based on you don't cut the fairing is getting old" smilie. Although rather new to street riding, I have yet to see any type of fast crash or accident IRL or on Youtube where just because you drilled your fairing and mounted a "R E A L" slider, you just saved your bike. Give me a break. Most of us get the NON drill types for tip overs. I bought Oggy Knobs. Don't have them installed yet and were kind of pricey but they will do what I want them to do. I have no doubt about it. There is an even BIGGER misconception that they only protect the frame. I guess my bike tipping over or someone doing stunts at 5 MPH and their bike tips over is going to total their bike? They are meant to do a number of things... not just protect the frame. You don't have to be a 40 year vet of street riding or a 5 year vet of these forums to know that. /rant off Now back to your topic. What do you want them to do? Tip over protection like I wanted them for? There is a few out there that have a bracket mounted behind the fairing and then the slider mounts to that. I bought Oggy Knobs and will install them when I get home. Don't have all the info as I am still at work and they are a tad pricey but I got them on a deal. Search has a couple great threads on them. If I remember when I get home from work, I think I have them in my favorites.

Wife is HOPING to buy this for me for Xmas.... odds it will be available by then? /prays to the Gods

This is so great... I feel like a kid waiting for this. Any word on the heat issues?