Tightwad Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I don't think the problem is your clutch diode, as you still have a strange issue where the lights come on when you hit the starter switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I'll put the Diode out of mind for now...I'm going to pull the right controls apart and see if there's anything going on in there, maybe this is related to the ignition switch or starter button? 9P connection looks good. I was hoping that was it since it looks like the Headlight relays and the G/R wires feed into it. Maybe it's an ignition switch issue... I have no clue at this point. Thanks for hanging in there with me folks... If you have any idea's, throw them out there! I miss my lady and want her back on the road! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I tried to pull the right controls off today at lunch to have a look inside but, I can't get one of the screws out and I really don't want to strip it! So very frustrated at the moment. All of the connections that the G/R wire run to look good and clean. I will probably get some new green wire (maybe 12 Guage) and replace it this weekend, I'm going to pull the guages and check the ignition too while I'm at it... Maybe there's something going on in there. Who knows! Now my Wife is nagging me about it lol I told her she is more than welcome to go out and get her running.... THAT didn't go well. Looks like I'm making dinner and cleaning the kitchen tonight to get out of the dog house. On the plus side, I've gotten to spend some quality time with my son and teach him about motorcycles that don't run. Blessing in disguise I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 New (Not used) Starter Solenoid is due for delivery today, I'll plug that in and see what happens... Not convinced it will fix the issues but maybe it will help! It's a start. Still not 100% on the postions of the wires though although, I think I'm right. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer trjerm Posted October 11, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted October 11, 2011 Did you check wiring to your ignition switch, I've seen the plugs melted on them before. PS mine won't start in gear, but all indicator lights etc work, so I swapped out the clutch diode. Still doesn't start in gear, so I'll check clutch switch next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I haven't gotten to the ignition switch yet. Do you mean the switch itself or the Starter button on the handle? I can't get the screw in the front of the handle off, it's in there pretty good and it's going to strip so I can't get in there to check that, but I know I need to. So, I have not checked either of those yet, I will tonight. I'm about out of time, the bike is my transportation and my Wife wants her car back lol. Sigh, I'll check it out tonight, install the new Starter Solenoid relay and post up and update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer trjerm Posted October 11, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted October 11, 2011 Where I've seen problems is where the ignition switch plugs into wiring harness(connector) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I'll remove the guages and have a peak back there and see if there's something going on with the ignition. I hope I can find this problem, it's been a frustrating couple of weeks! Thanks for the ideas/ help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tightwad Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 The connection in question is under the right fairing. Look for a connector with a red/black wire in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Okay, I installed the new Starter Solenoid and the Clutch Diode started to smoke and got very hot to the touch... I'm guessing the Diode is where the short is? I'm going to replace the length of G/R wire from the Clutch Diode connector back to the Relay with 12 Guage wire. I couldn't get the connection out of the relay fast enough so my reaction was to cuut the wire so it didn't burn up the new relay. If the Diode wasn't bad, is sure is now! I got the right handle controls off and aside from a bit of dirt (not much at all) it looked good and seems to be functioning okay. Off to Honda House to order a new Diode tomorrow at lunch, unless I can find one on Ebay or somewhere else online. I'lll check the connection on the right side of the bike this evening after I get the kids fed dinner and in bed. Thank you very much for everyones help, it is very much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 New Clutch Diode (Silicon Rectifier) ordered... Won't be here until Tuesday or Wednesday... I sure hope this fixes the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tightwad Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Are you 110% sure you have the wires in the right order? The clutch diode shouldn't be causing a problem...it sounds like you are feeding power the wrong direction. The picture shows an example of a 96 VFR melted connection...note where the wires are and be sure yours are in the same spots. Green and Yellow are closest to the fuse, green on the left side looking down at the starter relay with the fuse at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Tightwad... THANK YOU!! Holy crap I'm an idiot. I have them reversed! The Diode is toast now for sure though, it melted guts out of the bottom. I'll switch them around and see what happens. Would this possibly cause the headlight issue as well? I'll be at church until late this evening, I'll try it out in the morning before work. I'm hesitant to put the old Diode back in now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 She's alive!! Welllll almost... She cranks but the battery gave up before I could get enough fuel for her to run. Now, I need to see if the fuse will hold up and if not, why. So, I'll have to borrow my buddies charger and multimeter again and check the voltages when I get it running. I hope this was just a weak wiring issue and not the R/R taking a dump. I won't be able to afford another R/R for a loooong time, It's too close to Christmas. Thank you very much to everyone for the input, advice and ideas!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer trjerm Posted October 17, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted October 17, 2011 Hello, My VFR 750 RR just blew the main fuse, luckily only 1/2 mile from home(downhill). I looked in wiring diagram and only 4 wires go to the starter relay. I put a new fuse in and connected 4 way plug(4wp) with the key in the on position and it blew again. Oh well, got to dig deeper, well the r/w wire goes to the reg/ rectifier, the red to the ignition switch, the g/r to the clutch diode and the y/r to the starter switch(button). I only got a 5 pack of 30 amp fuses. So I put another in and turn key to off and connected 4wp and it blew again(2 down). Well the ignition switch is a pain to get to, so I disconnected the clutch diode and the reg/rec ,put a new fuse in and connected 4wp and low and behold it didn't blow, turned ignition on and it didn't blow,reinstalled clutch diode, fuse still good. Then I hooked up the 5wp to the reg/rec and it blew.(3 down). Disconnected reg/rec reinstalled new fuse and connected 4wp and it starts right up. I happened to have a new reg/rec in my spares so I installed it, and checked continuity on one on the bike and it was shorted between the red and green and the center yellow wire(made my meter beep)It was one on the $20.00 ebay chinese reg/rec. I've never had one short out before, had them stop working and the voltage slowly goes down, but never short. Anyone else have them short and did you find any underlining reason. Thanks Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I've never heard of the R/R shorting but I'm sure that's because when it takes a dump no one is really looking for a short in it. They just chalk their problems up to a bad R/R and swap it. I would imagine it's pretty common given the number of R/R's that fail. I hear Tightwad sells Ricks for a good price and they are the one to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tightwad Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 The Chinese ones are junk...I bought a few just to see and they are really probably 20 amp units at best...made for a 4-wheeler or something. Ricks OEM replacements are pretty good, or you could upgrade to a 98-99 model and get the MOSFET version. Over engineered for the 90-97 bikes but that isn't a bad thing in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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