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  1. Stiction is measured by doing multiple sag measurements and then comparing them, if there is a lot of difference then you probably need to replace your seals, and check the tubes.

    From what I learned rebound control is strictly a function of the spring stiffness while compression is related to the wieght of the rider, spring stiffness, and flow properties of the valves in the oil. So yea you need more rebound control with a stiffer spring but at the same time less compression cause your not compressing the springs as fast. bottom line to get back on track here - I think adding 20 wieght oil to a stock fork is a big mistake and it will ruin your ride. If you add stiffer springs and 20 w fork oil its gonna be like welding the fork tubes together.

  2. Actually the stiffer the spring action the more dampening it will take to control it... I'd

    recommend trying a 10 weight over the 5 weight HS... you may favor the more control

    feel the extra dampening will afford...

    When I put in the stiffer springs I used the standard 10w oil withthe standard oil measurement. Ride was harsh and bumpy, with the front wheel hopping out of bumps much too stiff. I figure the extra stiffness of the springs take more energy to move so less damping is needed, the rider was the same and the bike was the same so the stiff springs made it too stiff. I found 5 wight gave it a much more compliant ride than the 10w for a guy of my wieght (230lbs). Not too much difference from the racetech valves and oil combo I am using now. Its slightly more compliant now, but with suspension a little goes a long way its perfect now.

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    Last week I rode to New Mexico and stayed with my sister in Santa Fe ( read the Sandia Classic Post) Anyway she had a big rock in her driveway and as I was pushing my bike into her back yard for safe keeping I hit the clutch cover and it must have cracked the cover. I noticed it leaking oil so I decided to remove it for inspection.

    November 2003 I lowsided on a patch of ice and slid on the clutch cover for about 40 feet, so I am sure the damage was done then and the rock just made it worse.

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    Cracked Clutch Cover Started this whole mess!!

    Anyway I ordered a new one and hopefully I will get this bike back up and running within a week!!

    I have had a clutch pack for over a year cause I thought it would need it soon. So I decided I should replace it while I have the cover off.

    The manual tells you to remove the cam pulse cord from the plug under the airbox, thats a total pain in the butt to remove for a job like this so I left it on and just babied the cord.

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    Clutch Cover bolts removed

    I removed several bolts and wrapped them in some masking tape, they are all the same size.

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    Bolts wrapped in masking tape

    WHAT IS INSIDE

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    Clutch Assembly Crankshaft, Starter, two reduction gears, Clutch basket.

    You have to soak the new friction plates in oil before assembly. Now is the time to also change your oil too!!

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    Soak New Friction Plates Soak in motor oil before assembling.

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    New Parts One Friction Plate A (smaller to fit into spring seat), 8 friction plates, 8 clutch plates, one gasket, one replacement pressure plate spring (not needed).

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    Clutch Plate over Friction Plate Clutch Plate engages the inner basket, Friction Plates engage the outter basket

    HOW THE CLUTCH WORKS

    Its pretty simple really there is an inner and an outter basket, the outter basket is connected to the crank by some gears, and the inner basket spins with the transmission. They are independant of each other, then there are friction plates that have teeth that engage the outter basket, and metal clutch plates that engage the inner basket, you throw in 9 of each of them together staggered, and push them together with a moving pressure plate. The pressure plate is spring loaded by 5 springs.

    So When you pull on the clutch lever a piston pushes on a rod on the other side and goes through the engine and pushes on the lifter piece, which lifts the bearing which lifts the pressure plate and it takes the pressure off the 18 plates so the two baskets can spin free of each other. Let it out and the springs push the friction plates and the clutch plates together and then you have power to the rear wheel!!

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    See The video

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    Pressure Plate Removed

    Inspect the lifter bearing for wear.

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    Pressure Plate Removed 9 total friction plates, 8 clutch plates, 1 friction spring, 1 spring seat.

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    Inspect the Clutch Plates Look for discoloration, place on a flat plane, glass or whatever, and use a feeler gauge to measure any warpage. 0.33 mm or 0.012 in is the service limit. I just replaced mine.

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    Inspect The Outter Basket Teeth Marred but not damaged, check for broken pieces or deep impressions where the friction plates meet.

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    Inspect the Inner Basket Teeth Mine were slightly marred but not damaged

    If the teeth are damaged you will need to replace the basket. I did not remove the basket or inspect the needle bearings holding the baskets, there is a lock washer for that and it must be replaced with a new one when removed. The oil pump has a chain drive on the assembly too you should inspect. I did not get that involved I just replaced the pack.

    Actually my old friction plates were still in spec but one metal clutch plate was pretty blued. I did not measure it for warpage but replaced them all anyway.

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    Measure the Springs 1999-98 vfr 42.6 mm, 99-01 vfr 43.7mm is the service limit.

    The spring bolts are only 9 ft/lbs so dont crank on them too hard!

    remove the old gasket matierial from the cover and engine case and replace the gasket. The torque for the cover bolts is 9 ft/lbs

    Now how do I keep from going crazy as I wait for a new clutch cover??

  4. the relay gives me the option of keeping it off at super high, so I can just flip the switch when I need that little bit extra light. Your solution keeps it on double high all the time, good stuff! and you reused my drawing too cool. I am gonna move this and attach it to the original post for an alternative.

  5. I need to redo my corbin as the foam has deterieroated after 5 years of 12 hour days in the saddle. I subscribe to the bowl shaped seat that spreads the body weight out a bit better. Since I broke my pelvis a couple of months ago I have become very sensitive to the seat now!

    Yours is sort of an inverted bowl - with a crown that would have my pelvis roaring in pain after about 30 minutes, the bones tend to peirce the highest part of the foam and so become points of pressure, with a bowl shape it sort of puts more of the load on the muscles rather than my poor broken bones it just seems to make the surface area that actually makes contact with the body larger that way!! Sort of like the difference between a boat and a needle

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    Compared RR Bigger heat fins and an extra black wire for the new RR

    If you getting low voltage readings, or your hotgrips just dont ever seem to get hot, chances are your having a problem with your Regulator Rectifier, the dreaded RR. I was having low heat problems with my heated gear so I thought I would take a look at the RR.

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    Burned Out Connector this is the connector on the old RR amazingly with one phase wire missing completely it was still charging the battery with the other two holding on by a thread

    The natural stator connector had burned up and yet somehow was still working somewhat enough to charge the battery I was still getting 13 volts at 5k. The wires were exposed and the connector was deep fried like a corn dog!

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    different connectors

    I bought this RR off a VFRD member who had no idea what to do with it cause the connectors just do not fit, who needs stinking connectors!! Connectors are the weak link anyway just look at mine, the units fine except the darn connector. It starts with a little water, some corrosion, dissimilar metals, a bit of electrolysis and then arching burns the thing up. My solution was to cut off the connectors and just soldier the wires together, not connectors to burn out.

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    NO connectors Cut off connectors soldiered them and heat wraped the wires

    The wires soldered and heat shrinked into place, the new one had an extra wire for a secondary main relay that does not exist on my bike so I cut it off and just covered up the wire.

    Started her up and whoa 14.5 volts right off the bat, first time in over a year my little led volt meter showed green all they way!! I guess that was it! The new one is actually a part from Honda and it was in the 5th gen parts list at Ron Ayers but the connectors were all wrong, I think perhaps it was a euro spec model with Hiss or something, the extra black wire exists on 6th gen bikes cause they have that extra relay?? In any case the new one has more fins bigger fins and is heavier, I had to find longer mounting bolts.

    EDIT....

    after testing it the voltage would spike past 15 volts and up to 16 volts when I really reved her up. I figured that extra black wire had somthing to do with regulating the voltage so I took out my wire diagrams and looked up the after 99 schematic and found where it was wired too, its part of the engine stop sensor and engine stop switch circuit. I beleived at that moment that is where it reads system voltage and so I tapped a wire into that circuit out of the back of the fuse box and spliced it with a Tee soldier, and connected it to the extra black wire...............sure enough the RR worked properly after that maintaining voltage around 14 - 13volts and not spiking above that like before. So there you have it that extra black wire monitors system voltage

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    When you first get a bike, or when you replace a control part like a brake lever or foot peg, you must adjust your controls for best placement.

    Shift Lever

    Here is a picture of my foot on the peg, notice my foot is resting with out straining up or down, to throw the shift lever requires little exertion to accomplish this (never mind my shop shoes they are rags)

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    Down-shifting

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    Up-shifting

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    If you have your foot at an extreme angle like this to shift your bike you must make an adjustment in order to get better control. The foot should not have to flex too much.

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    The VFR shift lever can be adjusted by removing this bolt and popping the lever off its spline then replacing it in a better position. 8mm bolt

    Rear Brake Lever

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    As you can see here my foot is flexed too far up, this is not comfortable and can lead to unnecessary fatigue or inadvertent brake pad wear.

    The adjustment bolt is located in the rear of the footpeg under the brake master cylinder, it has a pinch bolt that allows limited adjustment up or down.

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    By turning the pinch bolt as far in as I could I lowered the brake lever by 1/2 inch, this was as far as it would go but is much better on the foot than before.

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    Brake and Clutch Levers

    Sit on your bike, stretch out your arms, and feel how your wrist is flexed when you extend your fingers to grab the lever. See in the picture below the angle my wrist has to make in order to engage the brake lever.

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    I placed a yardstick and rested it on the handle bar and the lever and took note of the angle, then compared it to the angle of my arm as I reached for the lever.

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    An adjustment had to be made so I loosened to 2 8mm bolts that hold the lever and angled the assembly down. There is only so much adjustment that can be done before the assembly binds on something but it was a much better angle.

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    Now you can see how much closer the 2 planes almost parallel. Now I don?t have to flex my fingers up as much as I did before, this also allows you to use the 4 finger control method, 2 fingers on the brake lever and 2 on the throttle for fine throttle control, if the lever is too far upward that method becomes impossible since your fingers are too far spread apart.

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  8. Static Voltage Test

    Remove the seat, unhook the battery cover. You will need some type of multi testing meter, I have an Equus that I bought from Checker Auto parts $79 that has Ohms, Voltage, DC Amps, Diode test, Continuity test buzzer (kind of like the old operation game), digital tach, Dwell, duty cycle its an all around testing tool.

    Steps

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    Switch your tester to Voltage and place the positive probe on the positive (red) battery terminal, put the negative probe on the ground terminal.

    Take a voltage reading it should be fully charged at 13v-13.2v mine was at 12.5v. If your battery is under this voltage then put the battery on a charger before doing any further testing. If the battery will not hold the voltage after charging then your battery is defective.

    Leak testing - will indicate short circuts

    Start with the key off , set your multimeter to amps at about the 1mA range. Put the (positive) +probe to ground cable, and the (negative) -probe to the battery (negative) -terminal. If you get more than 1.2mA leak then you have a short somewhere

    Steps

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    Remove the rear Cowling 4 hex bolts and disconnect the tail lights

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    Remove the ground cable from the battery, switch the multi meter to amps, connect the + probe to the ground cable, connect the - probe to the - battery terminal. measure for current leaking, if it is over 1.2 mA then you have a short somewhere. As you can see below the bike is fine

    Charging Voltage

    Charging voltage should be about 15.5 - 13.5 volts at 5500rpm with the Hi beam lights on, volt meter across the battery with the correct probe (positive probe/positive post) on the correct post. Connect the volt meter before switching on the bike. Start it up then run to 5500rpm hi beams on. If Charging voltage is lower than 13.5 volts it could be the RR or the alternator.

    You should charge your battery before performing any of this test with a battery charging device. The procedure is the same as testing the static battery charge test, however the motor is running at 5500rpm and the Hi beams are on, my battery was at 12.5v not running you must have a fully charged battery, and the motor must be at normal operating temp in order to do this test correctly, but I did it just for the sake of this post.You can see it is at 13.5v the motor was shaking so the image is blurred.

    IF this test produces good voltage your charging system is fine!

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    Charging voltage at 5k rpm

    Alternator Test

    To check the Alternator disconnect the alternator RR connector and check the resistance of the 3 terminals to the alternator, KEY OFF resistance should be between 0.1-1.0 ohms and then check all three terminals for ground continuity, there should be no continuity

    Steps

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    Find the RR wire harness connection to the stator shown here. Side note - also check the red main buss wire as well for signs of burning or corrosion, that big red wire connection above my finger this seems to be a common problem with VTEC models, the main buss wire burning up

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    Disconnect the natural connector #3p of the harness

    The connector (natural color #3p) with the 3 yellow wires connects to the stator/alternator switch the meter to ohms and check the resistance between the 3 wires to each other should be between 0.01ohm - 1.0ohm mine was 0.3ohm which is fine with all 3 wires

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    Make sure you check the the resistance between all 3 wires

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    Now check for continuity of all 3 to a ground (bike frame)

    There should be no continuity! Mine did not have continuity ( a buzzer sounds if it does ) that means the alternator has burned up the windings and is shorting out and must be replaced. My alternator checked out ok.

    Check the #3P connector for corroded or gunked up wire connections.

    Testing the Regulator Rectifier

    This test should be done if the charging voltage is not withing spec listed above and your alternator has passed the above tests.

    Now disconnect both connectors the Natural #3p and the Black connector #4p at the harness. Inspect the connectors for corrosion and gunk on the wires.

    On the Battery side of the same harness the wires red/white + and Ground - should show the same as the battery voltage around 13 volts fully charged (same as the static voltage key off)

    Steps

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    Positive probe to each of the 2 red and white wires the other to the frame, mine tested .3v less than the battery on one and the same on the other.

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    Ground wires green wire to the positive probe and ground the black negative probe, should have continuity. My tester buzzes and show 0.00 when there is continuity, it was good.

    Testing logic

    If your static battery charge is good then you need not go any further, if its low then you either have a bad battery or your charging system is not working, or it just naturally discarged over time from lack of use. Charge up the battery on a battery charger and then test the voltage again. If its good then go on to your charging system. It would be best if you could use a battery load tester to test the battery, an auto parts store will have one.

    Test that your charging voltage has enough Voltage to charge your battery. If its good then you need not go any further.

    Now test the alternator its its not shorted out and the resistance is good then the last possible part of the charging system must be a bad Regulator Recitfier.

    Do a few further tests indicated in the Regulator section to insure its is not the harness, and then replace your RR.

    My system checked out good right away with 13.5 volts charging at 5k rpm.

    If you discover a bad battery and replace it - you should still continue on with the charging tests to ensure that either one of the two other componets are good. A bad rectifier regulator can ruin a battery so its best to replace the battery and then test the system after its installed to make sure you dont ruin another battery. Sometimes you have to replace both, the chances of a bad alternator are slim. But it does happen, mine burned up when my radiator fan malfunctioned. I overheated the engine and some of the wire caseings burned off and shorted out one of the alternator phases. Basically it deep fried the plastic off the wires in hot motor oil.

    :: note for 6th generation owners if you have bought a used 02 make sure that the Alternator has been replaced due to a general recall on the alternators for that model year.

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    RR modification

    In an attempt to stop the unit from burning out I added a $9 computer 12v fan to it, I hooked it up to the license plate lighting wires that only work when the key is on it draws less power than the light did.

    Steps - the idea came from AustinVFR so credit goes to him!

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    Drill holes in the RR to wire the fan to the fins, then I used some wire to fasten it.

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    Wired the power for the fan from the licence plate light

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    • VTEC Starter Valve Synchronization
    • K&N filter Install
    • Airbox snorkel modification

    Preparation

    Remove the tank screws and prop up the tank. Unscrew the 7 screws on the top of the airbox, remove the tube to the flapper.

    Remove the airfilter and unscrew the 8 screws on the velocity stacks, lift the airbox out of the way. I had to remove the wire to the flapper solenoid to accomplish this but I did not have to remove any other tubes or wires to lift the airbox up out of the way.

    Remove the velocity stacks notice that the stacks are different sizes, they are offset so that the short ones are on the inside and the tall ones are outside. Front tall on the left short on right, back short on the left tall on the right.

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    Disconnect the hoses to the PAIR Valves front and back

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    Back

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    If you have a rubber cap plug up the open ends of the PAIR valve tubes, we did not so we stuffed in a plastic bag.

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    There are 4 starter valves connected to a 5 way tube connector, they take air from the airbox and bypass it into the intake manifold in place of a choke. They must be balanced by equalizing the vacuum pressure so they run evenly and run smoothly.

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    Here is a clear view of the 5 way connector

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    another view

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    Remove the 4 tubes from the 5 way connector and connect them to your a 4 way vacuum tester, I use a motion pro mercury tool

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    They are difficult to reach and if you lose them you have to fish them out

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    make note of the tubes in relation to the starter valve location as they are related. connect the tubes to the number on the vacuum tool

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    Here they all are connected

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    Connect an electronic Tachometer

    I have a multi use tool that has a built in tachometer

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    The ECM computer has a tach lead wire that gives off pulses that an electronic tachometer can read, I just shoved the lead in behind the connector, it is the yellow and green wire on the gray connector, and set the tool to 4 cyclinder.

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    Ground the tool anywhere on the frame

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    Start up the bike and warm it it up to operating temp. Then set the idle speed to 1200 rpm, Craig's bike was only at 1050 when first measured. The idle adjustment is on the right side

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    Begin balancing the valves, They are numbered #1 left rear, #2 left front, #3 right rear, and a non adjustable #4 valve at the right front side. turn the valves one at a time to get them all even with #4 and adjust the idle to 1200 until they are all even, clockwise to lower and counter to increase the vacuum pressure.

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    Remove the tools and reconnect the 5 way connector, replace the airbox and reinstall the velocity stacks.

    K&N filter install

    Remove the rubber gaskets in the groves of the top and bottom of the airfilter

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    The K&N has a built in gasket just set it into the groove.

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    Snorkel Modification

    I also have a K&N on my VFR, I was cleaning it last month and found that the filter was dirty only on one side so I cut away a portion of the snorkel to get a more even distribution of air and still get the laminar flow.

    I cut the rubber at the first ridge and left the top of the snorkel material, cutting at an angle.

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    The modification increased my normal tank mileage by 20 miles to a tank of gas extra. But I did not notice a loss of torque at low rpm and a slight increase in power.

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  10. Still in a major dilema. ?Following this thread and the one where everyone is going the Hyperpro route. ?

    I spoke with Traxxion and they were helpful, but fall into the fixed rate school of thought on springs.

    Preliminary research for F3 forks looks they run $300-$400 for a servicable set. ?Is this about right? ?Was anybody able to find a much better deal?

    To give you a bit of reasoning why the suspension gurus are using fixed rate springs when there are progressive rate springs on the market has to do with the way the damping is valved.

    For example take a look at the stock valves, the tiny holes compared with the Race Tech or Traxxion valves.  You will notice they are much larger and allow much more oil to flow than the stock valves.  The damping action is done mostly by the shim stack, rather than being limited by the size of a smaller valve hole like in the stock cartridge.

    So what does that have to do with springs?  Stock setup uses heavy oil, smaller more constant vavled holes, but compensates with a progressivly wound spring.  This allows for a decent riding fork for a very wide range of riders.  The bike is undersprung for the most part till you reach the limit of the stroke where the progressively longer windings take more energy to compress, combine that with a heavy oil small vavling and a decent airpocket to act as a seperate air spring you can accomidate a wide range of load and still have a fairly predictable ride.

    Where as the aftermarket guys use stonger springs for the most part, single rate cause the shim stack is progressive instead.  You have to consider the entire fork as a whole system rather than a sum of its parts.  Two different ways to engineer damping systems accomidating different load conditions different ways.  

    The aftermarket system is more sensitive to weight load but provides a much more compliant ride over a variety of road conditions - where as the stock system can accomidate a wider range of loads but offers less compliance over differnt road conditions.  

    I changed to stiffer springs over a year ago before I installed new vavling and found I did not wallow as much in the tight stuff, however my ride was pretty harsh.  I compensated by going to 5w oil rather than the 10w standard and found I had a bit better ride, compression was much better but the rebound was just wrong cause thats dependant on the spring rate.  It was fine over smooth roads but bumpy roads would have me rolling off, seemed like a good trade off for not wallowing in the tight turns, I just had to roll off when it got bumpy.

    Now that I have the right valving BOY its so much better, bumpy roads seem to be soaked up much better, I still get some shock on the really bumpy stuff but no nearly as unstable as before,  I feel like it does not fight me so much to lean over either.

    If your going to keep the stock cartridge the way it is a bit stiffer progressive spring may solve your wallowing issues.  If you go for single rate springs then I would recommend a complete vavle job as well to match them.

  11. I had a warm day today so I shoed on a new set of Pilot Roads and set my sag.  I had the preload backed pretty much all the way out and the forks only sagged 30mm.  So I put a jack under the header and screwed off the fork caps till lowered it a bit to take off the cap.  Pulled out the spacers and cut off about 8mm of each one. Put them back in and reset my sag.  Now I have a bit more adjustment on my preload to work with.  Sagging about 35mm up front and 32 in back with the preload showing 3 of 6 lines.
  12. Do you mean can you use a compression valve for a rebound valve??  No the rebound valve has a large teflon strip while the compression has a small o-ring (cause its is static and does not move).  If you look closer at them you will notice the difference when you look at the side profile.
  13. I double checked on the Race Tech sight, the F3/F4/VFR use the same gold valves.  You can look up the part numbers on the race tech site.  I am not sure how the F4 adjusts for compression so that may be different.  I know the f3 I used did not have compression adjustment.  But if its like the ajustment on the rebound the valve and shim stack are a seperate componet from the ajustment mechanism.  I just swaped them out from the VFR to the F3 cartridge.  I made an adjustment to make the compression shims a bit softer but that was because I thought they were a bit harsh even before I did the swap.

    For Race Tech Gold Valves Remember this, compression adjustment shim stacking is determined by the wieght of the rider Rebound stacks are determined by the spring rate only - I guess indirectly rebound it is determined by the wieght of the rider if you using a proper spring wieght for the load.

  14. I'm trying to find some pegs to use to lower my feet on a ?2004 VFR/Interceptor.

    I'm wondering... 1) What pegs do I buy to drop them 1 inch, and 2) how do I lower the brake and shift lever along with them?

    Thanks,

    Dave

    I ended up removing the lower pinch bolt on the back of the master cyclinder.  This frees up about 1/4 of play on the adjustment screw, which lowers the brake petal almost an inch.  I lowered it so much the brake rod to the master cylinder was almost touching the brake lever.  I suppose if I need more adjustment I will have to grind down the rod a few mm for clearance.

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    This modification is actually pretty standard for upgrading VFR forks. To take the Cartridge/Fork Caps from a CBR and install them into a VFR. For a 5th Generation VFR such as my 1998 VFR the cartridge from an f3 will work, and for a VTEC the Cartridge from an F4 will work. I found a set of 96 F3 forks on Ebay that were sort of in bad shape. Tubes were bent a bit but not enough to bend the cartridges. The fork lowers also had some epoxy over a hole in the fork. I did not ask why I can only assume a collision with something.

    I did not need those parts anyways just what was inside.

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    Here is how they arrived, unfortunately they came in a box that was the wrong size and was taped with Duct tape, one of the forks actually punctured the box and so there was some damage to the fork cap from impact with something hard.

    I only paid $75 bucks for the darn things so I did not complain, but not good feedback. But delivered as stated in the auction - I know I know for those of you who know about my problems with Ebay and VFRd I have since decided to move on and not try to fight Goliath anymore, not worth it. Call me a Hypocrite if you will for using it.

    The forks were missing the snap ring and the bushings and oil seal were loosely hanging out, and the epoxied fork bottom was pretty ugly. I removed the fork caps and slid the long adjustment tube out of the damping rods, removed the springs and spacers.

    This is where I ran into problems, apparently the guy who sold these to me had already tried to remove the cartridges cause all the oil was gone - fine with me less mess!

    However when I put my Allen wrench on the bottom of the fork to remove the bottom bolt it would just spin - I tried applying tension to the damping rod to get a bite on the screw but the bolt just continued to spin without unscrewing. I HAD TO GET MID-EVIL ON IT!!

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    YUP thats a hacksaw! Look at that awful epoxy job. I just cut off the lower part of the fork to gain access to the cartridge.

    You see what was happening is the bolt had frozen into the compression valve body and was spinning the valve around inside the cartridge - nothing I could do but cut the thing open to get to the cartridge.

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    Here you can see the cartridge bottom and the bottom of the fork cut off I was careful not to damage the actual cartridge itself.

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    I pulled off the top of the fork body as much as I could

    The fork tube will not come off until the cartridge is unscrewed there is a flange that prevents it from coming off. What I did now was maneuver the cartridge bottom onto my vise so I could clamp the compression valve and prevent it from spinning. It worked, I was going to toss the F3 compression valve anyway.

    Two months ago I replaced the compression valves on my cartridge with Race Tech Gold Valves, they are the same size as the F3 valves so I just transplanted my Gold Valves into the F3 Cartridge.

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    Here you can see the parts I needed

    The F3 cartridge, the fork cap and with the rebound adjustment rod are the parts I needed. looks almost the same as the VFR cartridge but with that adjustment rod that slides down the damping rod tube.

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    After removing the locking clip on the bottom of the F3 cartridge I removed the Rebound and Compression Valves.

    You can see the rebound valve is a different design from the VFR valve but the compression valve is the same - no adjustment.

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    This is a picture of the original VFR valves notice the difference.

    The F3 rebound valve has a hole that can be opened like a faucet, there is a long rod that can be moved up and down to open the hole to control the flow of oil.

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    Here you can see a side by side comparison of the two cartridges

    The F3 is shorter but has a longer fork cap, the VFR also had a fork oil lock piece that serves as a spacer cause the forks extend longer on a VFR due to the difference in rake between the two bikes. Longer rake requires longer forks.

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    Here I am transplanting my Gold-valves compression into the F3 fork.

    I also transplanted my Gold Rebound valves into the F3 forks. I decided to make an adjustment on the compression valve by removing one .15 x 17mm shim for a bit softer ride, the ride was still a bit harsh. Race Tech shim stacks are designed for racing and so can be a bit harsh on street applications, its just a matter of removing a shim to your liking. They actually provide a series of recipes for different shim stacks to give you a harder or softer ride - mostly its just a matter of adding a shim or taking one off from the recommended recipe.

    If your not quite sure what I am talking about I wrote a more detailed description of the VFR Valves in this Thread its a more detailed reference piece with diagrams and such, refer to it if you need more info.

    Intalling Race Tech Gold Valves

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    All the pieces side by side

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    The Springs side by side

    I thought I might need to adjust the size of the spacers on my springs - I use Race Tech springs designed for my weight. They are stiffer than the Honda Springs and are single rate. So I put the spacers and springs side by side and they turned out to be the same length together. so I did not cut the spacers to compensate. I may still need to cut some of the spacer to get the bike to sag right but from looking at them side by side I determined that they do not need to be cut as of yet. It all depends on if the bike sags properly when I get them back on the bike. I decided to put the oil lock piece from the VFR cartridge on the bottom of the F3 cartridge. The F3 just bolted right into the compression valve.

    The VFR had that lock piece in there between the compression valve and the bottom of the fork.

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    All put together.

    It looks like the bike sits a bit high with the preload backed all the way out, I still have to measure the sag so I may still have to cut the spacers I will report on that later after I do my sag measurement.

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    Springs, spacers, washers, lock-tip all installed.

    I also solved my oil leak by just buying a whole new oil pan. I stripped out the threads on the oil plug on the old one and tried to repair it with some metallic epoxy. Did not work! I called around to machine shops to bore it out and tap it for a larger plug. Ended up just as cheap to get a new oil pan!

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    Brand New Oilpan

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    I installed new Race Tech rebound and compression valves in my forks yesterday and put in new bushings and seals. My bike has clicked over to 55,000 miles so it was high time to rebuild my forks. I usually just freshen up the oil but this time I thought a complete rebuild was in order, along with new valving to make my bike handle better.


    The Parts


    Parts List Below





      • Race Tech Fork Gold Valve (compression)



        • Race Tech Fork Rebound Gold Valve



          • 2 quarts of US-1 ultra slick fork oil (5w)



            • Pair Fork Bushings Inner



              • Pair Fork Bushings Outer



                • Pair Showa Oil Seals



                  • Pair Showa Dust Seals



                    • Paul Thede's Technical Edge Video


                    • Parts came out to $477 with the VFRd 15% discount, I will have to give them a call to confirm the discount is still availible for all. Paul Thede is the guru at Race Tech who designs Race Tech parts and owns the business, he provides a very informative instructional video that has many tips to help your installation go smoothly, however our application is different than what is shown in the video but there are procedural protocols that are shared no matter what fork your rebuilding.


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                      Here is a closer look at the parts that come in the kit.


                      All the parts are ordered separate but they give you a complete list on the website of what you need to rebuild your forks properly and valve them to your needs. Shown here are the two sets of valves labeled in the picture, many of the parts are for different types of cartridges, Showa, KYB. So there are parts you will not need or use. They sent me 3 sets of various shims to sort through, check valve springs, cupped washers with built in sleeves, O rings, baseplate shims, check valve shims, nuts, and thread lock compound.


                      Oh and a boat load of Race Tech stickers, I have them all over my computer now.


                      NOTE: I already had Race Tech springs installed from Last year, if your going through all the trouble of rebuilding your forks getting fork springs rated for your style and weight is a must - www.vfrdiscussion.com/scgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=13;t=1500%5DHere is the link to the Race Tech Spring How-To


                      Prep Work - Getting Started


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                      Loosen the Clip on Bolts and remove them out of the way


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                      Pull off the clip ons


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                      Marking fork height


                      Here is a tip - take a piece of paper and mark your set height on the forks, it is easier than remeasuring, especially if you have lowered them and like the way they are.


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                      If you don't own a vice than use the one available too you its already there - your own triple clamp, loosen the fork cap.


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                      Remove the front fender 4 @ 5mm


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                      Remove the axle bolt 21mm


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                      Remove the caliper bolts right side 2 @ 12mm


                      I have a bunch of plastic buckets I use to toss the parts in so I don't loose them, some guys put them on a paper towel and sort them out, whatever you do just don't kick them under the counter like I did, PITA!!


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                      Gently slide the caliper off the brake disk DO NOT TOUCH THE BRAKE LEVER WHEN THE CALIPERS ARE OFF or it wont go back on easy


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                      Remove the Allen bolts on the Linked Brake System, notice the secondary master cylinder at the top that is what activates your rear linked brake. 2 @ 6mm remove the caliper.


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                      It is easier to start with this bolt first but I cant ever seem to remember that, it will try to lift the whole caliper as you turn otherwise. These Allen bolts often freeze on from the heat of the brakes being used.


                      I would suggest buying the service manual for specs on torque settings, and more detailed procedures of removing these parts. It is an invaluable source of information.


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                      Take the time to inspect your bolts, every time these are removed and retorqued the bolt gets stretched, this one is shot as you can see the threads are stretched I will need to replace all these caliper bolts.


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                      Loosen but don't remove the 4 axle pinch bolts 4 @ 12mm total both forks


                      Now I have loosened or removed the bolts before raising the wheel. I prefer not to go torquing on bolts when the bike is suspended by a jack.


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                      Rasing the front wheel is easy just a block of wood under the headers and a jack, with the center-stand down, it is stable. Just as it is spelled out in your owners manual


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                      I use a rod and rubber mallet to punch out the axle careful not to damage the inner threads or peen the soft axle metal so the bolt wont go back in (note I no longer do it this way - use a screw driver threaded through the holes in the axle - pull it out by twisting and gently pulling the axle out)


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                      Unbolt the brake hoses, start with this one cause the hose is in the way of the other two hanger bolts, 4 @ 10mm total


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                      Swing the hose out of the way and remove the brake line manifold


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                      The picture is moved out a bit so you can see the placement of the brake-lines


                      There is no need to remove the fairings unless you want more working room, I did not but its up to you.


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                      Reach up with a wrench and loosen the lower triple clamp bolts on both sides 2 @14mm these are really cranked on, I use a pipe over the handle of my wrench for a bit more leverage.


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                      Loosen the upper clamp bolts now and begin to slide the forks out one by one out the bottom.


                      NOTE: if you do not own a clamp you can use the triple clamps here to pull out the cartridge, loosen the bolt at bottom and let the oil drain out the bottom then pull off the fork cap here. I would find a vice if you can that has aluminum jaws that wont mar the forks, I don't so I used some soft wood.


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                      After you loosen the top clamp it should practically fall out.


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                      Make note of which fork goes on which side, a label on some masking tape will do nicely. I am quite familiar with them so I did not.


                      REBUILDING THE FORKS


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                      Remove the bottom fork bolt careful not to lose it, notice the baseboard I used to clamp the forks in so they did not mar the metal. This was also the step I mentioned earlier about doing while still clamped to the bike.


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                      With the bottom bolt out you should be able to pull out the whole inner assembly after you screw off the fork cap, it will be oily so have some paper towels or rags available to clean up, put them in your oil pan.


                      Note: it is easier to do this job with the fork cap already loose, I do that as soon as I remove the clip-ons with the forks clamped in the bike triple tree. I also screw the preload out all the way so that the top does not protrude out at all.


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                      Remove the fork cap from its pinch bolt 2 14mm wrenches should do the trick, back the preload all the way out while loosening the fork cap first this moves the cap out of the way of the pinch bolt and you can get enough clearance for the two wrenches, otherwise the cap covers up the wrench flats.


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                      Lay out the parts in order as they come out.


                      NOW IS THE TIME TO CLEAN ALL YOUR PARTS! With a solvent of some sort to remove any grime or metal bits that could destroy your valves, o-rings, oil seals and such.


                      Note: that little zip tie on the fork tube helps me set my sag when I am alone I tossed it and will put on a new one when I go to reset my sag.


                      The Oil lock actually fits on the end of the cartridge and gets bolted with that bottom bolt you removed. You must remove the Oil Lock from the Cartridge in order to complete the work, it just slides off but may be full of junk. Also if you have trouble with that bottom bolt then the cartridge is spinning along with the bolt, it helps to pull on the damping rod to get a little tension on the bolt so it will remove instead of just spin while removing it from the fork.


                      Replacing bushings and the oil seal


                      Clamp the fork somehow so you can work on the thing, a vise is invaluable here If you don't have one I suppose you can leave it clamped on the bike but make sure the bike is secure so you can pull on it without falling over, again using a vice with aluminum jaws are best.


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                      I tapped on the fork protector until it popped off


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                      pry off the old dust seal, it may be reused if you inspect it and its looks good. I just replaced all that stuff


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                      Remove the metal retaining clip


                      Now here is the fun part, make sure the fork bottom is firmly secured in your vice or whatever your using to hold it firm yank on the fork tube a few times until the whole thing comes out, like a ram rod.


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                      Fork tube is removed displaying the two bushings, back up ring, and the oil oil seal.


                      The only part I decided to reuse was the back up ring, the bushings had the protective Teflon worn away and the oil seal had actually cracked and spring inside rusted a bit. The oil seal has two coiled springs that wrap around it to provide wiping tension on the seal. The busing are split down the side so they are easy to remove, push a flat head screwdriver in the gap and pry it apart then pop them off. The oil seal just slides off.


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                      You can see the crack in my seal and the rust, no wonder why I could feel every bump in the road the oil seal would not slide correctly on the fork tube.


                      You should also inspect your fork tube for out of round and any nicks or rock pits, sand them out smoothly with 400 grit or better sandpaper to remove any sharp edges that would destroy your new seals. If its bent or nicked up too badly replace the whole thing. Paul instructs in the video to use a couple of V Blocks and a dial indicator, or roll the tube over some plate glass and check for gaps with a feeler Gage. Mine had a few rock dings so I sanded them out, mostly way up at the top where the fork hardly ever gets too.


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                      You can see the Teflon has worn off the sides but the inner bearing looks good, replaced it anyway. This bearing sits inside the recess on the fork tube.


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                      The upper slider bearing was completely trashed, the Teflon had come off pretty much evenly over the entire leading edge of the surface.


                      If there are large chunks of Teflon missing on your bearing that could indicate a dent in your fork tube.


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                      Slide on the new parts


                      Paul instructs on the video that before sliding on the new oil seal, to cut the end off a plastic bag and fit it over the fork tube to keep the seal from being damaged as you slide it over the inner bearing recess. Me I just popped it on from the other side and avoided sliding it over the recess. Make sure you put it on the right way and not back-wards. There is printing on the side that shows up, the non printed side goes down or inside the fork bottom. You should take note of this as you remove the old parts.


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                      Push the parts in as far as they can go, then you will need to drive them in.


                      Race tech sells a fork seal driver, he drives in the bushings first then the oil seal, using the driver on the back up ring first then drives in the seal. I do not have that fancy seal, you can find a pipe of the right diameter to drive it in but I could not find one either so I just used the old oil seal at a driver and tapped on it with a hammer making sure to go around the entire surface and not drive in the seal crooked and ruin it. I put some plastic on the fork tube so I would not scratch that as I tapped the oil seal in.


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                      Slide the old seal on as a driver


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                      Here I am tapping the seals in I could not get the plastic to stay on as I took the picture, but you need to be careful not to damage the fork tube or the seal by going at it too hard. You need to tap in that seal far enough to get the retaining clip back in.


                      The dust seal and the fork protector just slide on finger tight, there is a notch on the protector that slides into a groove on the fork bottom make sure to line them up first and tap it on gently with your hammer.


                      Re-valving the cartridge


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                      You should be able to push the bottom of the cartridge in with your thumb, this reveals the retaining clip.


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                      Remove the retaining clip gently you can break it pretty easy if you manhandle it.


                      Now you can push on the damping rod and the compression valve should pop out the end.


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                      This is how they are oriented as you push them out the bottom of the cartridge.


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                      Closeup of the compression valve stock form. look at the flimsy shim stack, those shims were so thin, like .08 mm in thickness and not as many as Race Tech calls for.


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                      The rebound valve on the end of the damping rod.


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                      You will need to clamp on the body of the compression valve in order to remove the retaining bolt, this one is an Allen bolt, 5mm and it was on tight with lock-tight. You must be careful not to damage the body or it wont go back into the cartridge, I ended up clamping on the very end where it was recessed to get enough clamping force to hold it firm enough.


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                      A digital micrometer or a tool like this is invaluable for sorting shims, I bought this one for $20 bucks at Harbor Freight tools


                      I took apart the stock valve and laid out the pieces in order on a paper towel and determined that I would need to reuse the base plate, and the cupped washer with the built in spring washer and of course the Allen bolt the rest I would use from the Race Tech kit.


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                      Here is a diagram of how the compression valve is set up.


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                      Here is the custom valving stack recommended by Race Tech it consists of the shims displayed.


                      There were several shims to sort out in the kit and I sorted and measured them all. These shim kits are designed to work with the gold valves so trying to use them with the stock valves would net a bad result, they are thicker than stock and there are more of them. Basically Race Tech has 10 recipes for street applications of shim stacks which vary the number of.15x17 shims used and create a different stiffness profile. I used the c33 recipe layed out in the picture. It is a tiered stack that is supposed to give you a bit of flexibility with high and low speed damping, the speed pertaining to how fast the wheel travels up and down as it rides over the road, it is tired so you get more damping at low speed and less at high-speed. flexing those shims in an ever decreasing manner as it encounters then next shim. The faster the fluid travels though the ports the more the shims flex to let the fluid though the slower the less they flex so you have a tunable valving set for how you bike handles.


                      Race Tech provides you with a code that you can plug into their website to get the custom shim stack you need.


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                      Here I am putting the shims on after I placed the gold valve in


                      There is a recess on the top of the gold valve that fits neatly onto the sleeve of the "top hat" or cupped washer, this one has a built in spring washer but you have to make sure that the sleeve clears the check valve plate and does not sit on it cause that check valve must float freely or else you ruin your ride.


                      The check valve plate looks just like any other shim but it is thicker and it has a bigger hole in the center to accommodate the thickness of the sleeve. Make darn sure your check valve plate is free!


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                      I made this little movie to demonstrate how the check valve must float freely if you cant move it with your fingers then the sleeve is most likely clamping it down and you will have to take it apart to free it. I used a replacement instead of reusing this one. Make sure the sides of the valve sit flat with the plate, sand the valve with some 400 grit paper if there are nicks on the valve. The video from Race Tech explains to use a plate glass and sand the valve in a figure 8 motion till its perfectly flat.


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                      Locktight the threads, then screw it into the body, torque the bolt to 30 INCH pounds, or 2.4 FOOT lbs. Its not much!


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                      Here is a side by side comparison of the two compression valves note the small holes of the stock one. Most of the valving action is done by the shims on the Race Tech version


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                      since the fork is non adjustable you must drill a small bleed hole into the gold valve, pointed out where in the drawing above.


                      Race Tech calls for a 1.3mm hole to be drilled into the valve to bleed the valve. This is done with a #55 drill bit that are hard to find, I had to go to a hobby shop to find one. One of those places that sell model trains and such, they had them for cents a piece. For racing they say to use a #53 drill at 1mm.


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                      You can see the bleed hole on the right side of the O ring, it is necessary otherwise your bike will not be damped correctly. Make sure to clean out the metal bits and blow it out. Its important that the parts be clean of any grime and metal bits


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                      Here is a tip from the Race Tech video, sort out your shims and store them this way for your next fork


                      Rebound Valves


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                      The end of the rebound bolt is peened over at the factory so you have to file it flat to get the nut off easy.


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                      Time to get serious, Dremel tool and safety glasses!


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                      Now you should be able to get the nut off, 10mm nut


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                      Chamfer the end to get the new bolt on easy


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                      Compare the rebound valves, notice the large gray Teflon band on the new gold-valve


                      Rebound gold-valves use a bigger shim stack than the compression valves 11 shims most of them are .15 x 17 and this stack is also tunable, Race Tech determines this by the spring rate of your fork spring. They give you an array of spring rates and a formula to determine how many shim to put on, its pretty simple. This is based on only the spring rate and not how fat you are heh :goof: I had the r20 recipe that uses 10 @ .15 x 17mm shims and 1 @ .10 x9mm shim. The formula takes into account the oil weight and the rate of the fork spring, and diameter of the damping rod, ours is a 10mm rod. You get a nice little cheat sheet to figure it all out with.


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                      Flipped over


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                      Here I used mostly new parts with the exception of a spacing shim near the bolt. New bolt too also torqued to 30 INCH pounds and treated with locktight.


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                      Here I am drilling a #55 bleed hole into the rebound valve.


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                      You must also drill a hole into the rebound valve since it is not adjustable, again 1.3mm or #55 drill bit size, these bleed holes are oriented to face the inside chamber of the cartridge. Make sure you blow out the metal bits and clean it up.


                      Slide the valves back in the way they went in and put in the retaining clip. Put the oil lock piece on the bottom and slide it into the fork tube, then put on a new copper washer on the bottom fork bolt and tighten the cartridge to the bottom of the fork.


                      Fill the oil level of the fork to 120mm after pumping the damping road to bleed the air out of the cartridge until you feel resistance, make sure the fork tubes are compressed when filling the fork oil to level.




                      Everything pretty much goes back on the way it came off, don't over-tighten the fork cap to the fork tube it only needs 6ft/lbs but the pinch nut and fork cap inside should be 14ft/lbs


                      Set your sag correctly 30 - 35 mm.

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