keef

an 848 only gives you a girly 5.5 inches.

a 1098 gives you a manly 6 inches.

6 inches is manly, right?

3 hours ago, RVFR said:

Curious here in the rear wheel offset,  I had a 1098 rear wheel where I was going to use, then found that the offset is different, maybe you fixed this with the Ducati  eccentric ? This is still on my bucket list to do if and when.  Thanks for the photos   ;) Oh,  btw  the color is spot on. 

I gave a 1098 wheel to extreme creations to figure out. Ben ha a spare 5th gen arm to test on. I thought he would need to make an adapter plate like carrozzeria used to.

He noticed that the Duke eccentric would fit, so we went that route. I've seen complete 1098 arms for $300 aus. You could take the eccentric and sell the arm on.

Same sort of thing guys who raced vfr400's out here used to do to change to a 17 inch rear wheel.

colour is ford citric acid from the xr6's. Kinda fluoro yellow, kinda snot green.

Oh, and slightly related to what Mohawk is saying - I know a guy (and internet streetfighter building friend) whoi used a crf MC for his rear because the integrated res looks cool. Doesn't really work on an OEM vfr rear caliper. 

I googled my bike to find the pic

1.5mm and 3mm

11 hours ago, BiKenG said:

Hey keef, I see you're using Ducati (style) nuts on both ends of the axle. Is that because the nuts fit the Honda axle (in which case, which axle) or are you using a Ducati axle?

Ducati axle. 

It is a...

vfr arm, axle/hub/eccentric removed

duke 1098 axle, etc

1.5mm shim as the duke stuff s 3mm smaller

5mm spacer to centre it

in she goes. Although it might be a 2.5mm shim and a 3mm spacer, it was 5 years ago, now. 

Custom extreme creations sprocket on a Ducati driven quick change hub, duke rear rotor, duke rear caliper, ex creations caliper bracket. 

848 stuff won’t work, only 1098. 

I over complicated the second version of my front mount rad, but the rear wheel conversion was kept simple. 

18 hours ago, RVFR said:

Photos?  or its not for real  Keef 

 

 

its real, and a lurid colour.

Ken,

I'm using a ducati 1098S forged alloy rear wheel in a 5th gen arm - a spacer and a shim, fits right in.

I bought some Chinese pegs on ebay that rotate, mine are up and back a bit, but they could be used to drop them down. the pic below isn't the exact ones, but you get the idea.

$50 aus, so even less in USD.

Hills wreckers in Sydney has a set for $600.

(02) 9674 3844.

might be able to talk David down a bit.

I got told to put a baffle in my MT09 exhaust by a bike cop.

The COPs are shorter than the OEM leads, so without a longer spark plug, it doesn't make a proper electrical connection.

With the stand offs on a plug (outside the engine) the COP fits nice and tight, good seal, etc , etc.

With the standoff i do have that seal.

I just used direct replacement plugs, screw thread on top, screwed on the stand offs, and pushed the COP on.

It works.

And like rush said, the 08 harness matches colours and everything. it took me about 30 minutes.

I used mother board standoffs to make the spark plug longer so the COP make a good connection with the spark plug, and an extra o ring to help seal them.

Haven't done a lot of ks with them, but I have done a trackday with them. Works great.

Bike who parks! Brilliant!

Now that's coming together!

Not sure if the sizing is the same, but a lot of Suzi stuff is mix and match.

I used a top bearing for a Yamaha srx 400 when I fitted my 05 gsxr front end to my 5 th gen.

Congrats, Seb. Well deserved recognition.

Might not need major mods- it might just need the hub.

Have a look at my vfr8 streetfighter thread to see how easy it was to fit a 1098S wheel. Although it was a bucket load lighter, too.

Forged wheels are about all you've got left. And maybe brake tech carbon rotors.

Well, it's a tiny tank, 14 litres, no idea in gallons.

In comparison, a ktm 640 motard had an 11 L tank, and a 5th gen Vfr has 21L

They may have done it to keep weight down.

I had my old gsxr 711 down to 190 wet. I didn't realise how porky the Vfr was- that motor is heavy.

440 is about 200kgs.

Listed wet weight of an MT09 is 189kgs

Get it down to 415lbs/189kgs.

You can do it, I believe in you.

Cop swap?

timmy for wiggum?

I did a COP swap on my 5th gen, maybe an hour to do.

2008 cbr 1000 coils and sub harness, mother board stand offs to make the plugs longer, and very easy.

the cbr wires were the same colour as the vfr ones, just added spade connectors to the cbr harness so i could just plug em in.

with new coils and new plugs, started easy, and settled to a constant idle really quickly. Haven't actually ridden with them yet.

Holy Crap Phil!

I love that cush drive solution. I have been trying to find a simple single-nut solution that does not add weight (like the Triumph is reported to) for my VFR.

Great post and once again your attention to detail is in documenting this upgrade is as good as your problem solving and engineering work on the upgrade.

1098S rear wheel is forged al, and weighs nothing. But you have to change the front as well otherwise your wheels won't match.

5 gen arm, ducati hub, ducati wheel, a spacer and a shim. Is the 5th arm very different to the 6th arm?

I have a Marchesini forged wheel from an 848 (5.5 width) as well as a matching front. However, the two separate Ducati hubs I have purchased to attempt the simple "shim around the circumference" method of installing into my Honda swingarm have both presented challenges. I am now unsure what model Duc these actually came from (1 was supposed to be from an 848 and the other from a 749 IIRC).

To answer your question on the differences between 5G and 6G swingarms the 5G arm is approximately 25mm shorter in length but aside from that is effectively the same.

Here are a couple of shots of the complete bike. Left and right.

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IF Honda built this and sold it as an 8G VFR I would stop bitching about the price of the actual 8G VFR's and buy one even though it has a 15 year old chassis design and an even older engine design!

the 1098 works, but it has the big axle, the 848 has a smaller axle. I've only got a standard 848 front, couldn't find a forged front when i was looking

So you are saying that I screwed up in selecting the 5.5" wide wheel from the 848 because it utilizes a smaller axle and therefore cannot be simply fitted into the VFR swingarm with the 1.5mm shim surrounding the hub?

Had I gone with the large axle 1098 wheel and the matching large axle hub from a 1098 it would have been more easily fitted to the VFR swingarm?

I didn't even think about axle sizes, I just wanted a 6inch wheel, so went with the 1098. Got lucky that it was an easy swap.

I'll take the forged 848 front wheel off your hands, just to help out.

6inch.

I have a 1098 6 inch rear wheel, it has the big axle, and fits in the Vfr arm with a shim and spacer.

The 848 is 5.5, and uses a smaller axle. Maybe that's why you can't use the shim and spacer setup, maybe I just got lucky with choosing the 1098.

I had the 190/50 on the standard Vfr 5.5, and swapped it to the 6inch, where it wasn't so good, so went to a rosso2 190/5. Lovely.

Hey thanks again guys.

All the qudos for the initial ideas has to go to Mohawk though.

Seems that red is the only colour you can get urethane. Even back in the '80s buying urethane bar stock, it was always red.

Yep, agree, red and blue not the best combination.

I've been toying with the idea of painting my front calipers gold as well since I did the new rear one. Gold, red and black really do go together well.

Keef

I take it you meant 190/50 is what you ended up with.

190/55 would be too high in the profile I thought.

The 190/50 is about the same rolling radius as the original 180/55 that I was running.

Holy Crap Phil!

I love that cush drive solution. I have been trying to find a simple single-nut solution that does not add weight (like the Triumph is reported to) for my VFR.

Great post and once again your attention to detail is in documenting this upgrade is as good as your problem solving and engineering work on the upgrade.

1098S rear wheel is forged al, and weighs nothing. But you have to change the front as well otherwise your wheels won't match.

5 gen arm, ducati hub, ducati wheel, a spacer and a shim. Is the 5th arm very different to the 6th arm?

I have a Marchesini forged wheel from an 848 (5.5 width) as well as a matching front. However, the two separate Ducati hubs I have purchased to attempt the simple "shim around the circumference" method of installing into my Honda swingarm have both presented challenges. I am now unsure what model Duc these actually came from (1 was supposed to be from an 848 and the other from a 749 IIRC).

To answer your question on the differences between 5G and 6G swingarms the 5G arm is approximately 25mm shorter in length but aside from that is effectively the same.

Here are a couple of shots of the complete bike. Left and right.

20150801_114530.jpg

20150801_114545.jpg

IF Honda built this and sold it as an 8G VFR I would stop bitching about the price of the actual 8G VFR's and buy one even though it has a 15 year old chassis design and an even older engine design!

the 1098 works, but it has the big axle, the 848 has a smaller axle. I've only got a standard 848 front, couldn't find a forged front when i was looking

Thanks for all the comments.

Yes the wheel 6.00x17 so I'm now running a 190/50x17 tyre.

If the weather is good over the weekend I'll get it out for a test and take some full bike shots.

when i put the 1098 6 inch wheel on, i ran a 190/55, but it felt heavy. I changed it to a 190/55 and handling felt sharp again.

And Brilliant job, by the way, absolutely awesome.

Holy Crap Phil!

I love that cush drive solution. I have been trying to find a simple single-nut solution that does not add weight (like the Triumph is reported to) for my VFR.

Great post and once again your attention to detail is in documenting this upgrade is as good as your problem solving and engineering work on the upgrade.

1098S rear wheel is forged al, and weighs nothing. But you have to change the front as well otherwise your wheels won't match.

5 gen arm, ducati hub, ducati wheel, a spacer and a shim. Is the 5th arm very different to the 6th arm?