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Tight, If I was local, I'd be over there already. I'll take a set if you can do it for $30 more. Does the 5th gen have dust boots on the back of the housing?

That is the only reason why I won't slap HID bulbs in the VFR stock housing. You need to have proper projectors to run HID lights to kill off the artifacts and keep from blinding oncoming traffic. Don't get me wrong...the pictures here look great for lighting up the road and I am tempted but in the end I just can't get myself to pull the trigger. Kudos to Coderiter and Tightwad for doing all the leg work here for what looks to be another fine VFR product though. :lobby: Now I just found this site and can't help but think "VFR HID conversion anyone?" :491: The Retrofit Source For the record, the picture in this earlier post was with the stock halogen lamps, not HID's This is the same bike with the HID conversion - HID garage.jpg

So, V-FORE and I we be leaving the McDonalds in North Bend at 7:05 Sunday morning for 6 hours in the Cascades Mountains. Anyone interested is welcome to join, just be there.

Thanks code for digging that up the charts... I caught the virgin sample and now you show a range of 3 to 6 ppm silicone... but stand by while I see if Shell will answer my question if that silicone is really an anti foaming additive or not... fair enough??? Just in... Your request has been received and is being processed. You will receive an update shortly. This email has been automatically generated. Do not reply to this email. Replies to this email will not be read. Regards, SOPUS Products 700 Milam St Houston, Texas 77002 The material in this email may be confidential, privileged and/or protected by copyright. Use of this e-mail should be limited accordingly. If this email has been sent to you in error, please contact us immediately. SOPUS Products is a subsidiary of Shell Oil Company, a wholly-owned member of the Royal Dutch Shell plc Group of Companies Registered Office: 700 Milam St Houston, Texas 77002 US001 Fair..... Except you didn't include the body of the email you sent them.... I imagine it went something like this... " Dear fellow petroleum lubrication engineer, The other day I was checking the latest posts on my favorite motorcycle form looking for a debate and I came across a post recomending Rotella T6 for use in a motorcycle.... I saw my opening and responded to the thread that T6 is a diesel oil and do to the low RPMs of a diesel, it has no anti foam additive and should never be used in a motorcycle.... One member responded to the thread and posted 6 virgin oil analists that showed a consistent level of silicone and he believes it shows the presence of a anti foaming additive package... I think it's dirt.... It's also been pointed out that you label the latest version of T6 as meeting JASO MA requirements, I've chosen to dismiss that fact.... So to sum up, they (the thousands on the form that use T6) believe that T6 contains all the additives needed for continued safe use their motorcycle.... I on the other hand, believe T6 is for diesel use only.... Because it contains no anti foam additives, if it is introduced into a motorcycle engine, it will foam up like a gallon of dish washing soap in the city hall water feature. I also believe that JASO MA is either a misprint, or the label on the bottle is missing the small print disclaimer about the lack of anti foam additives... I also believe you oil has dirt in it.... Could you please help end the debate, which side of the topic is correct??? Thanks, " ..... or something very close to that. If you're going to email them, way didn't you just ask for proof there's anti foaming additive? Wasn't that what you wanted in the first place? Wasn't that your main concern in regards to it's use in motorcycles? Face it, it's not about anti foam additives, for you, its about being right about something, anything, without regard to the big picture or the topic at hand.

I'm taking this on probably more than you like because I was Specter Oil Analysis monitor in the USAF... I ran my 500 Interceptor oil through the lab and established a history,,, and the lab rats rated silicone ppm as dirt... So do you think 3 parts per million is enough of an additive to do anything??? Do you have more than one Rotella test??? what are your other silicone reading??? for it to be an additive placed by the manufacture the 3ppm would be a constant right??? but I think you'll find that the longer the oil is in use the higher the silicone because it's dirt... Huh, with you're history as a Specter Oil Analysis monitor in the USAF, I'm surprised you didn't catch that the first sample was a virgin sample.... When I worked with the engineering chemical analysis lab on the USS Henry B. Wilson DDG-7, if we found 'silicone' in a sample, we called it 'silicone', not 'dirt'.... 'Dirt' might have silicone in it, but it's not 'silicone'.... Here's five more, three of them have the same amount of 'dirt'.... The other two have a little more 'dirt'.... Weird how they all have acquired the same amount of 'dirt'.... I'll point this out before hand to avoid any more confusion, these are, again, virgin samples.... You're right, 3 PPM is very small..... You said if I can show proof that Rotella T6 specific has an (one) anti foaming additive then post it up.... I did..... You didn't say I had to post proof of a additive with a min. PPM.... The fact that 6 sample show the same number, that's not an accident, it's an additive..... Silicone has / is used it control foaming.... Rotella T6 meets JASO MA specs.... It has the anti foam characteristics required for motorcycle use.... rotella T6 2.PNG rotella T6 3.PNG rotella T6 4.PNG rotella T6 5.PNG rotella T6 6.PNG

True but deceptive... according to BlackStone Labs silicone in their test is either dirt or silicone anti foam additive added by the owner or silicone gasket sealer... your 3ppm is unique to your oil... testing another owners Rolella T6 will produce different silicone numbers up to 70ppm... your 3ppm is not representative of an anti foam additive package... if you ask Blackstone I think they will say the 3ppm is most likely dirt... http://www.blackston...con-bugaboo.php That's why I posted an oil test of a virgin sample, from a sealed bottle. 'Virgin' means unused. The owner didn't add anything and there was no gasket sealer since the oil was never near a gasket. You said if I can show proof that Rotella T6 specific has an anti foaming additive then post it up. Well since this was a virgin sample, the silicon got there because the manufacture added it., therefore it's an additive. Silicone helps reduce foaming, I'm calling that a anti foaming additive. Of course, there are more ways to control foaming then silicone, not all of which can be detected with a simple oil test. I'm sure Shell uses several of them since the oil meets the requirements for JASO MA .

I don't know and that is the problem to which I stated... oil companies don't put unneeded additives in Diesel oil because the more additives the higher the ash content... Detroit Diesel has found that high ash oils (greater than 1.0%) cause deposits to form on the exhaust valve, which can fuse with the valve face at elevated valve temperatures. The result is a burnt valve in the two-stroke engine. Detroit Diesel recommends the use of low ash oils in these engines... but if you can show proof that Rotella T6 specific has an anti foaming additive then post it up... Rotella T6 5w-40 Silcone is used as anti foaming additive Again, it meets JASO MA.

Wow, nobody! Did you all miss the weather forecast? The way this 'summer' has gone, this may the last opportunity!

I don't recomend Rotella because I can not prove it has one key additive... in particular antifoaming additives... which are important due to the high RPMs that can create cavitation and starve bearings from necessary lubrication in the process... Diesels are very low RPM engines... Poppy-Cock. How do you know it doesn't have any anti-foaming additives? Do you think that just because a diesel doesn't turn 10k they would totally disregard the need to control foaming? I could whip up plenty of foam at 3k. Are you aware the newest version of Rotella T6 5w-40 meets the requirements for JASO MA? Part of the requirements for JASO MA are it's ability to resist foaming. Don't make me have to whip out the wife's mixer and start testing oils! :fing02:

I was thinking 6 hours or so. 410 (Mt. Rainier) to 823 to 821 (best road in Washington) to I90 to 281 to 28 to 2 to Leavenworth. From Leavenworth back on 2 to 97 to I90 to 18. Anyone game? Haven't set a time, I'm open to whatever.

Last year a local G.I, Joe's went under and I got a case of Amsoil 10w-40 for 1/2 price so I've been running that May-Sept and Rotella 5w-40 the rest of the year. Unless I can get another killer deal on a good 10w-40, I'll just run the Rptella year round when the 10w-40 runs out.

The distance was the same, plus or minus a foot I guess. To be fair, all the bikes I've owned in the past have had sealed beam type lights with a lot less stray light. I will say the VFR has more light then any bike I've had and the cut off is OK. Given that the bottom lights are low beams only, there was no reason to 'mirror' the bottom of the reflector. The only reason was for aesthetics. Without that, there would be a lot less stray light.

OK, here's the images. All the pictures except the VFR HID were taken Friday night, HID pictures are from Saturday night. I also included a couple pictures with our '08 BMW with factory adaptive HID's and my company car, an '08 Chevy HHR, with stock halogen headlights to compare against. In looking at both stock and HID, I would say the patterns are pretty much the same. It's hard to show that in pictures, but that's how I see it. Because the housing, a 55 watt would just put the amount of light over the top and would be a bad idea. Around here, I've never heard of anyone getting pulled over for lights. Hell, the other day I saw a cage with purple lights. If you do live in a place where that's a problem, I would go for the 4500k and you should be fine. I should also note that in the video, Tightwad's lights look a lot more blue than what they really are once warm. When you first light them off, they have quite a bit of blue but as they warm, they get whiter. Once the bulbs are up to temp, they're pretty much just pure white with just a very slight hint of blue. Stock lights 1 Stock lights 2 HID Wall.jpg HID garage.jpg BMW Wall.jpg BMW.jpg HHR.jpg