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If I recall rightly, Honda stopped manufacturing the 6th gen prior to 2012. Surely the date you have as a reference is when yours was first registered.

 

CSMNL is in the Netherlands, is it not? (Sidenote: I believe they sponsor the hilarious and talented, and one of my favourite MotoGP racers, Calvin 'Cal' Crutchlow)... if you were to check for possibly different part reference numbers on https://www.bike-parts-honda.com where I've noticed they categorize microfiche according to countries, you could rule out any suspicion of left or right deflection... or even easier, write them an email asking before committing!

 

 

The clarty slags... Bahahaaa...

That's sure some ancient mariner's lingo you picked up in the land of half my DNA!!

G'day mate. Welcome to the VFR loony bin.

 

The 3rd gen is a gem once everything's in order. Riding buddies of mine will attest to it. They certainly don't get left behind even by the most modern of two-wheeled technology. It's as sporty as it is practical and comfortable for touring if you're not over 6 foot like someone I know...

 

I've had to chase a few across the Sierras of Spain!

 

Once you've spruced her up we'll be looking forward to the proof (pictures).

 

You can download the service manual on this forum.

Hey, Lee! Thanks for that pic. With all the gunk on there I didn't realize that was just another cover! I found one on eBay. I think I'll just need a couple gaskets and will be able to get this done right.

Yeah, you should be able to swap that part out... Might cost a packet new... You will need a new gasket surely...

This "dude" doesn't feel shame, is not self aware, not even aware really, and can't ride a motorcycle beyond beginners level. He didn't even realize the subtlety of how your post wasn't precisely backing him up. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a large gap between his emotional and his chronological age.

He's definitely happy though, like the village idiot is happy. Ignorance in his case is bliss.

Are you testing the stator with the connector unplugged? I assume so. This is the correct form.

If so, Stator seems good.

It is always advisable to start with the most simple : have your battery load tested.

Experienced suspicion say it's the r/r but this is just that, an inkling... scientific method of ruling out is the only fail safe way.

Unfortunately yes, the r/r diode test isn't 100% conclusive.

Yes

So the R/R can still be failing even if it passes the testing with the multimeter?

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The tests available to the average Joe with a multimeter are not 100% conclusive.

 

The r/r may need renewal.

 

Check your wiring loom, especially the usual suspect connectors.

 

This is one of them...

 

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Then there's the big blue and grey ones near LHS radiator and the ones near the battery.

 

 

 

 

It is essentially the same part. Just be careful with possible difference in beam angle between countries that drive on the LHS and RHS.

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35 Kg would be quite noticeable.

 

The suggestion of "carrying" 2.5 Kg not being analogous to the model or case at hand, may be noticeable in tyre wear and fuel economy, yet these are not human sensory systems. Carrying where? As already corroborated, the fulcrum principle, i.e. distance from centre of gravity will affect JND.

 

Full tank to empty tank, some 21 Kg difference, may well be noticeable through the limited optimal operational range of the suspension components and the resultant change in behaviour... and the lever principle mentioned by another forum member, as it's relatively well removed from the COG, which amplifies its effect, as if it gained mass. That's almost 10%; a scientifically accepted figure via rigorous repeated tests involving thousands of subjects over many decades, as being noticeable.

 

1% at the centre of gravity (COG) of a motorcycle is not humanly detectable.

 

Not my opinion Gator.

Demonstrable science.

 

Sure, forget about science and repeated objective measurements. Convince yourself you're not convincing yourself and you won't be. 

 

I love the folk who say they put an unrestricted muffler and a K&N filter on the bike and could feel the extra horse power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Approx 2.5Kg is a noticeable weight. Try carrying that for a few minutes ! Every time you accelerate, corner or brake it will have an effect, on mileage, grip & tyre wear. I’ve removed 35Kg from my 5th gen, a third of that is from the wheels & drive train, it’s very noticible

    

 

 

 

 

 

All this from someone who rides with flip flops.

 

Not even capable of calculating that golden figure he thinks WE ought to provide him with, using the information already provided.

 

The guy who created the click bait thread about overtaking on the wrong side of a trailer into a gap you could drive an Airbus through and exaggerated how close a call it was while blaming everyone but himself.

 

Stick your battery where it fits!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll summarize:

GFY!!

but it could just be pyschological 

You yourself placed this caveat as a disclaimer. This suggests you admit you don't really know with complete certainty. Then you asked the specific question as to what change in weight we would begin to notice. Which reinforces the admission of not really knowing beyond all doubt.

I mentioned what historically recognized scientists would offer as a reasonable figure. I later expounded on this with more precise information from more recent reliable scientific sources. Unjustifiably, you suddenly use immature attempts at ridicule and sarcasm as if needing to defend at all cost your precipitous conviction on a matter you previously self-admitted having doubts about to the extent it was expressed with an escape clause.

What on earth?

I find this method of debate futile and infantile. I'm not lacking in a sense of humour, hence my scrotal anecdote, but I don't get you Gator. You weren't attempting to add humour, rather offense. You seemed to staunchly need to defend a hypothesis, you yourself weren't even sure of, by emotionally-loaded methods. The thread rapidly deteriorated from a potentially interesting debate to a futile and infantile playground tantrum with namecalling and tongue-poking gestures on your behalf. A fickle attempt to laugh me off and call me full of shit.

There's some odd psychological issues going on here. Déjà vu. Guess I didn't learn the moral of the story last time around.

No, I'm not saying it's 10%. Did you not read what I wrote or did you fail to comprehend it?

 

 
So NOW you’re saying it’s 10%?  That would still be 52.9 pounds (529 x 0.10) in the case of our 8th gens!  I’m pretty sure if I hid a 25 pound weight on any of our 8th gens that 99% of us would immediately notice the difference.  Perhaps you’re one of those “plus sized” riders where such a change might not be as discernible? 
 

I think you're image of a smiling pile of faeces is disrespectful and distasteful.

I'm merely discussing scientific opinion on the matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  That would equate to a loss of about 79 pounds in the case of our 8th gens (529 x 0.15).  Are you sure “medical science” didn’t make a “gross human” mistake and get their decimal point off?   A 1.5% reduction would seem to be a much better estimate of what’s discernible.  That would equate to 7.9 pounds in the case of our 8th gens. (529 x 0.015)    

 

  Why would 1.5% seem a better estimate? Because it suits your claim?  The truth is my statement was grossly gross. The concept of discernible difference via human sensory systems is much more complex.

 

Weber's law (1800s) would place it (the Just Noticeable Difference or JND) at 10% and considers this ratio a constant but this does not account for later data with more advanced models, technology and resultant data in which there is a positive augmenting ratio between the base or background size or intensity of the magnitude and the JND.

 

Thus, regarding ability to detect differences in weight, the heavier the baseline object, the larger the increment required for detection by humans. Hence my placing the situation we are discussing at around 15%. Furthermore, the object in question, a >200 Kg motorcycle, in your model is in motion, so other physical forces are in play.

 

Psychology would add that training reduces the JND. Thus a relevant example would be professional motorcycle racers such as in MotoGP, World Superbike or Motocross, whereby such professionals would be able to detect a considerably smaller increment or reduction, the latter being the case at hand. Psychology also shows the same person on different days or in different moods or states, for example drunk, stressed or simply being in a bad mood, will have varying degrees of sensitivity.

 

If we take your suggested 1.5%, then you are possibly a superhuman; holding a 100g testicle in one hand and a 101.5g one in the other and, eyes closed, tell me which is the heaviest.

 

 

 

Medical science determines 15% as discernible via gross human sensory systems.

 

 

Ironic that I knew about that spot and used the ‘clips’ molded into the undertray to route my relay harness wiring.  Never thought it was for the handle. Because it makes no sense to me to be stored separate from the tool kit.  Honda logic. 

 

I stored the extension handle in with the rest of the tool kit, which I customized by replacing some crappy OEM components and adding a few tools that come in handy. I also replaced the OEM bag with an aftermarket one as the Honda one always tears along the edges of the velcro strip, thus no longer being water tight nor reliable (i.e. small pieces can fall out). Then I put together a second bag with useful bits, like spare fairing clips and bolts, rubber thread wells, replacement nuts and bolts and such, to strap down on the other side. I also used a hard plastic jar (actually an empty flip top chewing gum receptacle, once I'd finished off the 200 "chewies" it contained previously) to store spare light bulbs separated by paper towel in the gap available on non ABS 6th gens, under the seat, inside the black plastic embellishment on the RHS, near where the rear brake fluid reservoir is.

 

Nerdy, I know.

 

 

 

I've personally replaced fried stators on 2 high mileage 5th gens in Spain. I know of at least 50x 6th gens having required stator replacement here in Spain, several of them on the same bike up to three times in approximately 100,000 Km.

 

Not statistically probable on 5th gens but not impossible.

 

Surely there must be quality rewinds in the USA. If I can get a possibly better than OEM quality rewind done here for 80€, which is 1/3 the price at a Honda stealers (based on 6th gen prices), and knowing the US to be very industrially competent and very DIY oriented, plus having a population several times larger, there must be excellent quality stator rewinding services available there.

 

 

 

 

Yep. Big blue and grey connectors near LHS radiator on 6th gens are a known hot spot for faults.

This sounds like it might explain my problem yesterday. I was cruising along downtown the other day when the FI light came on like I had flipped the kill switch. I played with the switch a bit and checked the connections behind the instrument panel to verify they were secure. No luck.
 
By chance I bumped the horn button and the light flickered. I hit the horn 4-5 times in rapid succession and the light went out. I fired it up and rode all over town.
 
Perhaps I need to locate this ground connection and clean it up or move fuel injection to a dedicated ground?

5th gen common ground bus connector fix...

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So the R/R is problematic even on the 07?
 
And should I just go ahead and wire up a battery meter while I'm changing out the 30amp connector?
 
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See the recent thread on whether the 6.5 gen's electrical gremlins have been exorcised. In short, no. Better but not fixed.

I've gotten to the AGE that when it is not necessary to ride, if it's 90F+ I'll find another way to get around.

Fixed that for you Agent 86

We have a survey on our Spanish VFR forum asking which models have had their R/Rs fry.

 

Shame the author of the survey did not include V1.0 and V2.0 of the 6th gen as survey options in order to easily distinguish between the two.

 

Thankfully some people leave a message on the thread and their year/model can be seen in their profile.

 

After perusing half of the 19 pages of messages working backwards from most recent until reaching boredom, I had counted 6x 6.5 gens with declared kaput R/Rs. One of them had had this happen twice in just under 100,000 Km.

 

That's at least 6 of the 59 6th gens with R/Rs declared dead that are from the 2006-2010 "remake" batch.

 

It's an interesting survey. 221 people have responded as having had at least one R/R fry, and 6th gens make up 30% of cases. The 7th and 8th gens are at 0%. 4th gens do very well at only 6% of cases.

 

It (the R/R failing) used to be the 5th gen's claim to fame. 3rd gens are well up there but have also been around much longer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honda did not effectively fix the issue with the Stator frying with the V2.0 release in 2006.

They did improve certain aspects of the bike but not that one. Nor did they identify the issue with the problematically inefficient ground bus connector, which incidentally is handed down from the 5th gen, albeit on the latter model it is located in the rear of the harness which is possibly why only the R/R tends to fail on 5th gens and the stator &/or R/R fail on the 6th gen.