Bassie

I use the default programming Don suggests, works great for me.

At what point does it get unstable? I have done 248 (didn't dare faster because of the conditions) but didn't notice any problems.

Same with my VFR800 of 2000, done 250 on the clock and it never got unstable.

Please tell me when it starts to be unstable, as I do plan to go over 250 next spring/summer on the German Autobahn when I go to Austria again.

I do check my tire pressure and use 2.50 front and 2.90 back, I can imagine pressure can have an impact at high speeds.

1) To my knowledge Don is the only one that can flash it at this time.

A few others claim they can, but I never found any proof they did succeed.

2) Nope, he can insert any map you like that is compatible with the Powercommander-5

But beware, you can't change the map yourself afterwards, it needs to be reflashed if you want to change it.

If you want to change it often then it's best to add a PC-V.

Now spend a few more bucks and ship the ECU to Guhl Motors for a new programming and the bike will amaze you.

I'm sorry, but not a single VFR1200 has a proper programmed ECU.

You will find out soon enough that the bike with default programming has serious surprises when taking hair-pins or roundabouts at low speed.

Else try make an 8-shape small figure, you probably end up dropping the bike.

The bike has an throttle-delay. Most ignore it, but it can make you crash when you don't expect it.

We don't have mountains here, it could be because of that.

Our roads are basically flat compared to yours.

We tank 91AKI/95RON as we can't get any lower.

As for the 1200, we are advised to use 94AKI/98RON.

However, I have ran the 800 and 1200 on both types of fuel, didn't notice any difference except the price.

This is the difference between our European HP and your HP, as such we end up with "more" power.

http://ateupwithmotor.com/terms-technology-definitions/din-horsepower/(this side explains it the best, but all sites write the same)

And sorry, our metric HP differs from your mechanical HP.

Have a nice read, then you know we have more HP but the same KW

Yeah I know right?? He got really upset and called me names and hurt my feels :(

But anyways I would love to see any vfr800, fifth or sixth gen, rated at 115hp by Honda; because that would be news to me lol.

My 5th gen 800 is rated by Honda at 78KW = 106.158 Din-HP/PK/PS, it's not that hard to tune it to 115HP.

My DAM exhaust is enough to do it.

We are both right.

We use Din(Metric)HP = PS (german) = PK (dutch), all the same word meaning horsepower.

But the English use Imperial HP and that is a different value.

However, entire Europe is standardized on Din-HP as secondary value to KW, except for the UK.

PS translates as HP, and PK (paardenkracht) also.

Japan also uses HP as we do and mean metric.

Sadly nobody knows where to use what, so KW is a better way of putting it, but then again, nobody used that

In Europe HP means the same, except for the UK

The Belgian VFR800Fi 2000 does 115HP, and I can assure you, it's fast, the new models are crap.

However, after a Guhl Racing-Flash the 1200 does a nice 160WHP (190CHP) with standard exhaust (flap open, servo removed).

It will pass 180 without problems (theoretical, so far I know nobody that dared to get there), we know from dynoruns it will do it.

You can not compare the Guhl-Racing-ECU to a default-Honda-ECU.

And dude. PS is the same as HP

After the ECU has been done by Don is has an racing mapping.

It's nowhere near the original EU of US numbers.

Whereas Belgium has 173HP, Germany 164HP and the UK 170HP.

The bikes are not the same everywhere in the EU, the thing is that the EU itself gives max values on sound and CO2, but the different states can use more strickt laws.

As such the numbers do vary a lot.

What Don does is something compleetly different, he turns the ECU into a racing-ECU, as such the bike becomes a much higher HP and torck and more cooling,

After Don tinkered with it, you can compare the tinkered bilkes when the EU-bottles in the airbox are removed, the valve-pairing is killed and the exhaust flap is opened permanently (or if you have the same hardware).

When all that is done the bikes can be compared as they should be the same when the same parameters are programmed.

Comparing stock bikes is useless as Don doesn't make it a full-power-stock thinggy but an optimised racing ECU. (if you asked for that)

And sorry, a PCV can not remove the different country restrictions, Don does. (if you ask for it)

I've got a 2010 with a K&N filter and a arrow slip on. Needs to be tune but I'm happy with the gain over stock

147 at the wheel

Goto Don with your ECU and you easily reach 160HP or more at the wheel, meaning 190HP crank.

There is no way to overcome the limitations Honda set without getting a racing-ECU (if Honda sells them, they do/did for the CBR1000RR) or Don turns it into that.

VFR1200F

2010

50870km at the moment, it had 2 problems.

@48000km

1)Saddle started to show weak spots and teared holes in it near the tank, Honda replaced it under warranty (very good!)

2)Rear suspension needed to be replaced, the knob got stuck and couldn't turned anymore, I had to pay 33%.

My dealer told me all Honda's have this problem at about 50000km and it's a construction failure.

I'm not so happy Honda charged me for the last one, as they have a v2 rear suspension made but mine is still V1, so it could happen again at 100km.

Other then that, no problems.....I did do a Guhl flash as it ran rubbish on the standard ECU programming.

I know it's not 80000km, but problems start at about 50000 according to my dealer.

I have done this on a VFR800Fi, VFR1200F and a CBR1000RR, never failed and worked fine.

If you check my gallery you will find pictures of it done on my 800Fi.

Put marbles in the tubes, cheap and easy.

It's low pressure, take a marble a tiny bit bigger and put it in.

I have done all my bikes that way, simply 1 marble per tube.

It has the advantage you can restore the original situation if needed.

No error codes, nothing.

In his emails, he states this:

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The products and services by Guhl Motors are subject to change without notification.

Guhl Motors is not responsible for any property damage or bodily injury that may occur as a result of using this product.

The user assumes all responsibility for any damage that may occur to an engine and or vehicle as a result of tuning. Guhl Motors will not cover any damage that may occur as a result of using its products and services.

Guhl Motors' Products and services are for racing use only and are not designed to meet any emission level regulations and does not carry a CARB E.O. identification number, and may be illegal for non-racing applications. Check your local laws.

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To answer your question, yes they all are fore for racing purposes as he doesn't want to be sued over the things he does.

BTW, things like a powercommander and such are in the same boat, and they claim for racing as well.

In Europe exhausts can get a CE approval and as such street legal, but modifying engine-mapping/tuning is not.

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I can even run smooth at 450KM/H in 3th now,

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The above statement really needs some clarification.

Oeps sorry, ment 45

I flashed my VFR1200F 2010 too.

It went from a bike that I wanted to sell to a bike that I want to keep.

It's running incredibly good now.

I can even run smooth at 45KM/H in 3th now, before it was messing in 2 and stuttering all the time.

Also the throttle-delay that almost made me crash twice on roundabouts, totally gone.

As well as the 1/2 rpm limitation, that made it accelerate like a 50cc moped, gone as well.

Thank you very much Don!

DynaJohn also has a Don Guhl ECU reflash, and after he added a PCV.

Funny is, I didn't do any of this and just did a Don Guhl ECU reflash with a new map and it runs just as the topic starter describes, but I use stock exhaust and airfilter.

Don't forget, Don puts an optimised PCV map into the ECU (or one that you want).

The EU-ECU's have serious flaws in them due to EU-regulations, take those out and the bike flies, with or without PCV.

No. I have not done the re-flash. I would like to do Don's re-flash and AVOID having to install a PCV. The A/F map that Don uses may be good, but if there is a better map out there, it would be nice to have him use that map when he does his re-flash.

If I already had my re-flash done, this question would be a moot point. If Don has already modified my stock map, and I install a PCV, I CANNOT use any standard map off of the PowerCommander website.

I figured so.

Just tell Don what you want after send your ECU, and be amazed what he does with it.

You do not need a PCV, you will not even want a better map as he will have installed such a good map that you even think about it.

I understand, but the question is, did you do a Don flash yet?

You never answered this.

So much for reading messages.

So did you flash or not?

Sorry but you seem to forget that a lot of issues are inside the ECU itself without even touching the fuelmapping.

The problem is with the programming of the settings, those can not be changed without messing with the ECU itself.

So anything you add to the bike without lifting those ECU problems won't do much good other then costing a load of money.

The fuelmap Don uses is great, far better then Honda uses.

Don't forget, it's a computer that calculate optimal stuff...well it should do that....but Honda put some nasty settings in there, that is the problem.

I personally think that you can't improve Don's settings much with external stuff, and an different airfilter or slipon exhaust won't change much to the way it calculates.

Also, Don replaces the mappings for free (except shipping) if you are not happy to what he did to your ECU.

If you didn't got it flashed by Don, then don't bother looking at other things.....try Don and you know what all the excitement is about.

Personally I doubt you need anything else but a Don Flash

UUgh... I think that is WHY Marsman99 is looking for more maps. Don can take ANY PCV map and apply it to his re-flash. Better maps = better running bike. I'm sure the maps Don is using are fine as I believe they are the ones already posted up on PowerCommander's website... but as more and more people tune their bikes, we have an opportunity to re-flash our ECU's with better 'stock' maps.

The problem is that your ECU is crap to begin with.

You can't fix a crap ECU without fixing the ECU first.

Better maps without fixed ECU = crap maps and ECU = crap running bike.

There is stuff in the ECU that a powercommander can not fix, regardless of the map you use.

Fix the ECU first only after that a external-device may make a difference.

The way you reason makes me believe you didn't pass Don yet, as such you have no clue.

There is no way you can make this bike run good without Don fixing it first....sorry it won't happen.

There is more in this ECU then a fuel-map.....

Sorry but you seem to forget that a lot of issues are inside the ECU itself without even touching the fuelmapping.

The problem is with the programming of the settings, those can not be changed without messing with the ECU itself.

So anything you add to the bike without lifting those ECU problems won't do much good other then costing a load of money.

The fuelmap Don uses is great, far better then Honda uses.

Don't forget, it's a computer that calculate optimal stuff...well it should do that....but Honda put some nasty settings in there, that is the problem.

I personally think that you can't improve Don's settings much with external stuff, and an different airfilter or slipon exhaust won't change much to the way it calculates.

Also, Don replaces the mappings for free (except shipping) if you are not happy to what he did to your ECU.

If you didn't got it flashed by Don, then don't bother looking at other things.....try Don and you know what all the excitement is about.

Personally I doubt you need anything else but a Don Flash

Zbom for sale...

Hahahahaha

It's only about sound, nothing else.

If you want a silent intake sound, then leave them as they are, if you want a growling sound then remove them.

They are there to reduce the intake noise, nothing else, just like the flap in the exhaust.

The EU has set noise levels that they have to comply, as such Honda puts those bottles there.

If you remove them the bike sounds a whole lot better.

Is your ECU installed again?