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These companies (GM, Ford, Chrysler, BMW, Honda, Yamaha, Nissan, Toyota, Suzuki, etc...) don't see HHO as a technology that will increase their bottom line, so it gets ignored.

And yet, several of them make and sell hybrids, capitalizing on the market desire for more fuel efficient vehicles. If your claims about the gas mileage benefits of HHO were true, I would think that they would be all over it since it is a much cheaper and less expensive/complex solution than a hybrid setup.

Dirk

let me ask you this. If the combustion that occurs in the cylinder is so close to complete, then why oh why do we need the catalytic converters to meet emissions?!?!?!?!

Because engines are run slightly rich to prevent overheating damage. The extra fuel cools things but, of course, has pollution consequences. (Which is why bikes have lean spots around the RPM range where EPA testing is done.) But the increase of fuel to air needed is a few percent, not large factors as HHO proponents imply. Anyway, we can argue until we're blue in the face. Let's see how your tests work out.

Dirk

How about a better analogy then -think about a super-charger. You are taking a little bit of crank energy to turn the blower, but you are putting more air into the bike so the fuel burns better. Would anyone say that a supercharger violates the laws of physics?

I'm sure there were skeptics who said JUST THAT when the supercharger was first envisioned.

Very poor analogy. With a supercharger, you add more air but you also add more fuel and, hence, get more energy. That's why toro's supercharger requires fuel remapping to work.

And I'm still not convinced that a large fraction of the fuel goes unburned. I have several bikes that have no catalytic converter. If they were pumping out a bunch of unburned fuel, the exhaust would smell very rich. It does not. No need to do a master's thesis to test that idea.

Dirk

Again you make good points, but the two things to remember are what does the HHO do to the combustion of the gasoline mixture and how inefficient is the combustion of gas before.

The combustion in just about every ICE out in the world today is so slow that most of it goes out the exhaust port unburned.

What's a source for this claim? I think you are confusing the combustion efficiency with the thermal efficiency. Yes, most of the energy generated by combustion is lost (the thermodynamic conditions are stacked against you from the start) but most of the fuel is burned. Only a small amount is unburned. From this source:

However, unburned fuel and fuel-derived organic combustion products representing ~1–2% of the HC mass in the initial fuel mixture are present in the engine-out exhaust. These emissions are subsequently reduced by 95–99% by the exhaust catalyst.

Dirk

The 06/07 gsxr 750 was my dream track bike , I was thinking I could maybe afford a 04/05 750 when I had a job. It is also a track tool that would allow me to entertain Racing in WERA. :blink: I never wanted to be in the Meat Grider 600 class especially at 53 years old, so the 750 would allow me to run other classes and with liter bikes instead of 45 next Rossi's on a 600. :laugh:

I hear you. Unfortunately the MRA allows the 600's to run in GTO so it's even worse than GTU. Nothing like going into turn 1 on the start at Pueblo with 40+ guys riding all kinds of crazy lines jockeying for position. Nice score on the 750. You'll really like it. The handling of the 600 with about 20% more power. I think 750cc is the perfect size for a track bike. Not as peaky as the 600 and not as overwhelming with the power like the 1000. I'll be taking mine out to the new track in Byers on Wednesday for the first time. I'll probably post up some video afterwards.

Dirk

Do this:

Always kinda liked that one. :blush:

I know the guy who built that one.

Dirk

Holy old thread revival Batman! :offtopic:

I'm in the "don't need a shift light" crowd. I can tell from the exhaust sound exactly when VTEC is going to kick in. And I can hear and feel when redline is approaching. My Gixxer race bike has a shift light. Never felt the need to use it.

Dirk

RWB makes me feel all tingly. :rolleyes: It would look really sweet with that black frame. Guess I'll have to buy one and do it. :lol:

edit - more pics and story/write-up coming, might not have tie today though. Every day is a busy day. <_< :rolleyes:

Well, at least you put "teaser" in the subject line. :P Looking good so far!