VF1000R

I wish I'd known you were coming through. I could have shown you the non-touristy roads in these parts.

Hey Honda, how about something like this?

Does anyone know this or can someone measure this?

Need this info as I'd like to know if this wheel would be an option for the 3rd gen in search for an ultimate light front wheel.

If the dimension is the same as in '08-11 CBR1000RR (138mm by my measurements)

133mm on my '09 600RR.

I've got an '09 in the garage. I'll try to remember to measure it when I get home.

Part 2 is up:

http://www.cycleworld.com/first_motorcycle_ride/special_features_articles/11q1/honda_vfr_history_part_ii_-_special_feature

I was forced to sell my beloved Guzzi LeMans MkIII a few years ago when I was suspended without pay for 7 weeks. Later on, I stopped in the twisties to have a smoke and saw my bike go by making music from the lafranconti pipes.

I know exactly what you mean. A couple of buddies had 850's and they were the nicest sounding bikes I think I have ever heard.

Just to burn Timmy's eyes:

:biggrin:

I think the 1000F is the best looking of the 1st gens by a slim margin over the 500F.

Make him earn it. :biggrin:

Wow, I never even heard of the FWS1000 before! :ohmy:

a.k.a "The Water Whale" Unfortunately it appeared just before I started going to the 200, so I never got to see it in person but it was a monster. I'd love to see Honda get that kind of boldness back again instead of just building inline fours with little distinction from the competition.

Guys, guys, guys ..... you're still missing the point!

We don't want *just* a 400lb VFR with great, adjustable suspension.... we want BOTH bikes! The VFR1200 is a GREAT next-gen uber-sport tourer ... but it is too heavy and got stuck w/ limited range because Honda didn't want to cross the 600 lb barrier. The Crossover will probably be a GREAT do-all bike but still has the limitations of weight and average, non-adjustable suspension.

This.

I like the new bikes, the Crosstourer especially. But it's long past time for a Honda V4 supersport line. A 600cc version properly executed would turn the middleweight racing world upside down. And maybe they're working on it. They did say that there would be a whole line of V4-powered bikes. And the 2012 model year would be the time for a 30th anniversary Interceptor...

The VFR1200F was the first model to utilize the new iconic V4 engine that signified the beginning of the new era in Honda’s engine line-up.

Let's hope something like this comes along in 600 and 1000cc versions:

Dirk

Is yours a kit or a custom paint job??

It's a picture I stumbled across some time ago. I'm pretty sure it's a custom paint job.

Some real possibility here, but I wonder if the 5th Gen isn't a little too stout for the RWB...

All VFRs are supposed to be RWB. :biggrin: I don't know where this single color nonsense came from, and god forbid someone should do a 5th gen in flat black. :goofy:

Dirk

I thought 47degrees for a pilot power or other ss road tire. How am I at 54degrees and still up?

Michelin says 50.6 and they may be measuring lean angle from the contact patch center rather than the center of the tire.

Dirk

Is that a custom paint job, or is that a Chinese body kit? I want that SO BADLY.

Custom paint job, I believe. When I get a 5th gen, that's how I'm going to paint it.

You made that kid's week. :fing02: And I got a big smile reading about it. It's a little thing to us, almost nothing, but it's huge to them.

Dirk

These companies (GM, Ford, Chrysler, BMW, Honda, Yamaha, Nissan, Toyota, Suzuki, etc...) don't see HHO as a technology that will increase their bottom line, so it gets ignored.

And yet, several of them make and sell hybrids, capitalizing on the market desire for more fuel efficient vehicles. If your claims about the gas mileage benefits of HHO were true, I would think that they would be all over it since it is a much cheaper and less expensive/complex solution than a hybrid setup.

Dirk

let me ask you this. If the combustion that occurs in the cylinder is so close to complete, then why oh why do we need the catalytic converters to meet emissions?!?!?!?!

Because engines are run slightly rich to prevent overheating damage. The extra fuel cools things but, of course, has pollution consequences. (Which is why bikes have lean spots around the RPM range where EPA testing is done.) But the increase of fuel to air needed is a few percent, not large factors as HHO proponents imply. Anyway, we can argue until we're blue in the face. Let's see how your tests work out.

Dirk

How about a better analogy then -think about a super-charger. You are taking a little bit of crank energy to turn the blower, but you are putting more air into the bike so the fuel burns better. Would anyone say that a supercharger violates the laws of physics?

I'm sure there were skeptics who said JUST THAT when the supercharger was first envisioned.

Very poor analogy. With a supercharger, you add more air but you also add more fuel and, hence, get more energy. That's why toro's supercharger requires fuel remapping to work.

And I'm still not convinced that a large fraction of the fuel goes unburned. I have several bikes that have no catalytic converter. If they were pumping out a bunch of unburned fuel, the exhaust would smell very rich. It does not. No need to do a master's thesis to test that idea.

Dirk

Again you make good points, but the two things to remember are what does the HHO do to the combustion of the gasoline mixture and how inefficient is the combustion of gas before.

The combustion in just about every ICE out in the world today is so slow that most of it goes out the exhaust port unburned.

What's a source for this claim? I think you are confusing the combustion efficiency with the thermal efficiency. Yes, most of the energy generated by combustion is lost (the thermodynamic conditions are stacked against you from the start) but most of the fuel is burned. Only a small amount is unburned. From this source:

However, unburned fuel and fuel-derived organic combustion products representing ~1–2% of the HC mass in the initial fuel mixture are present in the engine-out exhaust. These emissions are subsequently reduced by 95–99% by the exhaust catalyst.

Dirk

Yep, there are a quite a few V4s on display at the Honda tent.

Those pics give me all sorts of warm fuzzies...

Dirk

Go with newer tech or old school?

thanks

ben

Buy the '92 and then tell me who's selling the '86 so I can buy it. :biggrin:

Dirk

The '84's had the best paint scheme of the 3 years of the VF750F's. :goofy: I prefer them without a lower fairing though. Show off that beautiful V4.

Dirk

Am I as predictable as Timmy? :blink:

YES

:goofy:

Thought so. :ph34r: When I get my hands on a 5th gen, it'll be painted to look similar to this:

Am I as predictable as Timmy? :ph34r: