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That time of the year again, vfrd is 14 years old as a forum as of a week ago. This year we are using invisionboard 4 and it's different. it's a bit more expensive but a much better package from my stand point as an admin. Some of the issues we had have been addressed with great IT support from invisionboard. As always no commercial advertising because we are fully member supported. Volunteer donations have more than covered expenses for the last 14 years, no reason to expect any less this year. As always thanks for your participation in discussions, rides, rallies, mutual help, and the monetary support that keeps this forum working. HS