VFR80025th Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Before I replaced my sprockets and chain with an RK X ring chain last year I used to use Kerosene to clean my chain and it did an incredible job. When I replaced sprockets with chain on the RK literature it said not to use Kerosene to clean Chain withn orings. So now I am using Motul chain clean .(O ring safe) Lots of videos by experts say to use kerosene i don't get it. What are you guys using. to clean chain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburashka Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 I believe kerosene may dry out the rubber used for the orings. If the manual specifically says not to use kerosene, probably best to avoid it. I use the DuPont chain cleaner and it works well. Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstehman Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 I've used Motorex chain cleaner and kerosene to clean chains and couldn't really tell the difference other than smell. That kerosene stench just lingers lolSent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted April 14, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 14, 2020 Using kerosine (what we call petroleum or lamp oil) or diesel does the trick very well. Use an old tooth brush to GENTLY rub in, let it soak a short while, then an old cloth to wipe it down. This if you like the look of a nice clean chain. Donot FORCE the brush hairs between the pins.. Cleaning is not required for long-levity, regular lubing is. Donot use gasoline/petrol. Just my 2 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer FJ12Ryder Posted April 14, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 14, 2020 Personally I don't clean the chain. I don't trust that a good penetrating cleaner won't seep through slightly worn O-rings and clean out the grease that is supposed to be there. JMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer St. Stephen Posted April 14, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 14, 2020 Agree that kerosene will not hurt an O or X ring chain. I use WD40, which I believe is mostly kerosene. Here is a quick video on the subject from Ari Henning, who I respect tremendously on these matters: I disagree with Dutchy that cleaning is only for looks. The biggest enemy to O-ring chain life is dirt, which eventually grinds down the rubber seals. Chain lube is important in moderation, but not for the seals. I hope I'm not turning this into an oil thread! 😬 My chain maintenance array: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Marvelicious Posted April 14, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 14, 2020 I've got a pretty involved process... Step 1: wash bike (this happens AT LEAST once a year...) Step 2: take a quick ride to spin the water off. Since I installed my chain oiler (Cameleon) I have basically stopped thinking about my chain. It just never needs attention. I take a look at it when I change the oil, but it just doesn't ever need any attention. If you're OCD about cleanliness then it probably isn't for you, but that's the only down side I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted April 14, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, St. Stephen said: Agree that kerosene will not hurt an O or X ring chain. I use WD40, which I believe is mostly kerosene. Here is a quick video on the subject from Ari Henning, who I respect tremendously on these matters: I disagree with Dutchy that cleaning is only for looks. The biggest enemy to O-ring chain life is dirt, which eventually grinds down the rubber seals. Chain lube is important in moderation, but not for the seals. I hope I'm not turning this into an oil thread! 😬 My chain maintenance array: Well... At least we agree on the lube... 😉 Though some may frown if 2 adult men agree on which lube to use eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted April 14, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 14, 2020 Since its handy I employ gas to clean my chain and to remove all the grit... petroleum products have no lasting effect on the X W or O rings because instead of rubber chain manufactures today actually use a highly fluorinated fluoroelastomer known commercially as Viton or Kalrez... very tough stuff... It has a excellent resistance to most chemicals including sulfur... sulfur chloride... sulfur dioxide... sulfur hexaflouride to name a few... most important it doesn't need protection from drying out... they will far out last a chain's life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted April 14, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 14, 2020 What we are lubing are external roller and between the roller and the sprockets (red area in my drawing)... we are not lubing the X rings nor behind the X rings so any oil applied in that effort is a waste and will only fling off... I believe Motul Chain paste is the smartest product on the market and the right solution everyone has been looking to *properly* lube their chain and sprockets because it brushes a layer of white grease like from the factory that clings with no flings... Motul Chain Paste... squeeze the white grease from the tube and load the brush... Hold the loaded brush to the inside of the chain rollers to transfer the white grease... After a couple of spins of the chain it's lubed like from the Factory... After 1400 miles Motul Chain Paste clings with no flings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer St. Stephen Posted April 14, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Dutchy said: Well... At least we agree on the lube... 😉 Though some may frown if 2 adult men agree on which lube to use eh? A zinger from Dutchy, no way!! 😀 In return for making me laugh I've posted a photo for you below, taken exactly one hour ago. BLS, thanks for the tip. I'll give the Motul paste a try, anything to eliminate the "flings." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted April 15, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 15, 2020 4 hours ago, St. Stephen said: BLS, thanks for the tip. I'll give the Motul paste a try, anything to eliminate the "flings." You're welcome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer KevCarver Posted April 15, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 15, 2020 How do you guys deal with the packing grease on brand new a brand new chain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer FJ12Ryder Posted April 15, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 15, 2020 Leave it alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted April 15, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, FJ12Ryder said: Leave it alone? +1 Add "a half" if and when required... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted April 15, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 15, 2020 5 hours ago, BuzznerSuntrusts said: How do you guys deal with the packing grease on brand new a brand new chain? Chains come with so much excess grease that either you wipe off or it flings all over the bike... my deal is to dip a rag in gas and wipe clean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Philois1984 Posted April 27, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 27, 2020 On 4/15/2020 at 1:01 AM, VFR80025th said: Before I replaced my sprockets and chain with an RK X ring chain last year I used to use Kerosene to clean my chain and it did an incredible job. When I replaced sprockets with chain on the RK literature it said not to use Kerosene to clean Chain withn orings. So now I am using Motul chain clean .(O ring safe) Lots of videos by experts say to use kerosene i don't get it. What are you guys using. to clean chain? I know this subject is like asking what oil is the best but here’s my two cents worth. I have been using kerosene applied liberally with a soft paint brush to regularly clean my OEM Chain since new. I now have 30,650km on it and haven’t noticed any problems. The chain is nearing the end of its adjustment range so I will be replacing it no later than the 36,000km service. I have noticed other knowledgeable members of this forum also getting mid 30ks out of there chains so I am presuming this is about normal. If you search the following video on YouTube “Will WD-40 destroy your motorcycle chain o-rings by MC Garage”, (WD40 is basically kerosene) he addresses this very issue. I also saw a video where someone grinds a link off an old chain he had cleaned with kerosene and the grease was still there. Also a lot of chains are now x-rings which seal even better. I have no doubt chain cleaners like Motul’s do a fantastic job if you can afford them, but kerosene is way cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Philois1984 Posted April 27, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 27, 2020 On 4/15/2020 at 4:57 AM, BusyLittleShop said: What we are lubing are external roller and between the roller and the sprockets (red area in my drawing)... we are not lubing the X rings nor behind the X rings so any oil applied in that effort is a waste and will only fling off... I believe Motul Chain paste is the smartest product on the market and the right solution everyone has been looking to *properly* lube their chain and sprockets because it brushes a layer of white grease like from the factory that clings with no flings... Motul Chain Paste... squeeze the white grease from the tube and load the brush... Hold the loaded brush to the inside of the chain rollers to transfer the white grease... After a couple of spins of the chain it's lubed like from the Factory... After 1400 miles Motul Chain Paste clings with no flings... Hi “ busy little shop” I will be giving Motul chain paste a try as soon as I have used my Motorex chain lube. I have even started to apply this with a paint brush, it makes less mess and goes further. Is Motul chain paste a different product to the Motul spray on lube or just the same applied a different way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted April 27, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted April 27, 2020 Hiya Philois I don't know enough of Motul spray to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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