71Rob Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Grum said: Step - 2. Remove both fuses. Again with your Red lead probe the two fuse contacts for each fuse. Do you get 12v on one side for each fuse? voltage at right hand side of 20 amp fuse, both sides of 30 amp fuse, with fuses removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Grum Posted September 19, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, 71Rob said: voltage at right hand side of 20 amp fuse, both sides of 30 amp fuse, with fuses removed Step - 3 (this is fun) Unplug the 4 pin plug at the top of the relay. And repeat Step 2 . Do you now have 12v at one side of each fuse contact ( fuses removed) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, Grum said: Step - 3 (this is fun) Unplug the 4 pin plug at the top of the relay. And repeat Step 2 . Do you now have 12v at one side of each fuse contact ( fuses removed) ? lol, it is, voltage present at both sides of both fuses, fuses in, fuses removed, right hand side of 20 amp, left hand side of 30 amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Grum Posted September 19, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, 71Rob said: lol, it is, voltage present at both sides of both fuses, fuses in, fuses removed, right hand side of 20 amp, left hand side of 30 amp Step - 4. With the plug still removed and your fuses reinserted. Note the Red wire and the Red/White wires on the removed plug, these two wires will be a heavier gauge than the other two. Measure on the relay side where each of the two wires go into the plug socket. Do you read 12v on each pin/socket within the relay for the two wires? Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Grum said: Step - 4. With the plug still removed and your fuses reinserted. Note the Red wire and the Red/White wires on the removed plug, these two wires will be a heavier gauge than the other two. Measure on the relay side where each of the two wire go into the plug socket. Do you read 12v on each pin/socket? Â 11.2 red wire, 0 red and white wire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, 71Rob said: 11.2 red wire, 0 red and white wire  6 minutes ago, 71Rob said: 11.2 red wire, 0 red and white wire SORRY, miss read your last post and tested the plug and not the relay, yes 12v both sides of the relay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Grum Posted September 19, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, 71Rob said:  SORRY, miss read your last post and tested the plug and not the relay, yes 12v both sides Don't stuff up on me now! Step - 5. With your Ignition Swith to OFF (just incase you had it on). Reinsert the 4 pin plug. Now take your red meter lead to the Clock/Haz fuse and measure the Voltage at this fuse using the top of the fuse meter points I told you about. Do you measure 12v? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Grum said: Step - 5. With your Ignition Swith to OFF (just incase you had it on). Reinsert the 4 pin plug. Now take your red meter lead to the Clock/Haz fuse and measure the Voltage at this fuse using the top of the fuse meter points I told you about. Do you measure 12v? yep , ignition off, 12v both sides of fuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Grum Posted September 19, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, 71Rob said: yep , ignition off, 12v both sides of fuse Now we appear to be getting somewhere! The BIG test. Step - 6 Switch On your Ignition. What happens? If nothing check the voltage at the Tail/Meter/Turn 10amp Fuse. Do you measure 12v? Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Grum said: Now we appear to be getting somewhere! The BIG test. Step - 6 Switch On your Ignition. What happens? If nothing check the voltage at the Tail/Meter/Turn 10amp Fuse. Do you measure 12v? Â ignition on (nothing happens) sorry, measured the first time from the other side of the relay then realised when i came back in and posted my answer, this time measured from the other side of the relay and 12 volts either side of the fuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 same fuse measures 12v with the ignition off too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Grum Posted September 19, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 19, 2019 Is there something wrong with my English? Step 6 mentioned nothing about the relay! We are nearing the END........ Step - 7. Ignition to OFF. Remove BOTH Main Fuses. Remove the Clock/Haz Fuse. Now set your meter to continuity or low ohms or buzzer mode. With one lead on the Tail/Meter/Turn Fuse and the other one on the contacts of the clock fuse. Turn ON your Ignition Switch DO YOU GET CONTINUITY? If not try placing your probe on the other contact for the clock fuse and try again. IF YOU GET NO CONTINUTIY your Ignition Switch or its wiring is faulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Grum said: Is there something wrong with my English? Step 6 mentioned nothing about the relay! We are nearing the END........ Step - 7. Ignition to OFF. Remove BOTH Main Fuses. Remove the Clock/Haz Fuse. Now set your meter to continuity or low ohms or buzzer mode. With one lead on the Tail/Meter/Turn Fuse and the other one on the contacts of the clock fuse. Turn ON your Ignition Switch DO YOU GET CONTINUITY? If not try placing your probe on the other contact for the clock fuse and try again. IF YOU GET NO CONTINUTIY your Ignition Switch or its wiring is faulty. again not reading properly, just repeated step 6, measure both sides of fuse with ign on, no voltage, just done step 7, open circuit no continuity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Grum Posted September 19, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 19, 2019 Sorry I'm getting tired, it's after midnight here. One last test to simply check your Ignition Switch. Remove the Tail/Meter/Turn Fuse. All other fuses installed. Place your VOLTMETER probe on the Start/Horn/Stop Fuse. Switch ON Ignition. If you don't read 12v then your Ignition Switch or its wiring is Faulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Grum Posted September 19, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, 71Rob said: again not reading properly, just repeated step 6, measure both sides of fuse with ign on, no voltage, just done step 7, open circuit no continuity OK so after all that. And you previously were stating NO voltage at the Main Fuses, this was proved to be incorrect! Bit of a wild goose chase. You now have an open circuit Ignition Switch OR a break in its wiring. Case Dismissed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 sorry mate, thanks for your help just tested the horn fuse, no voltage, ign switch it is then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Grum Posted September 19, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 19, 2019 46 minutes ago, 71Rob said: sorry mate, thanks for your help just tested the horn fuse, no voltage, ign switch it is then At Last! Yes the Ignition Switch ORRRRRRRRR its wiring. Suggest you check out the wiring Before buying a new switch! Good Night and good luck Rob! Weirdnesss........You Bet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Is this place awesome or what! Thanks Grum for sticking with it to help out another member in need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer MaxSwell Posted September 19, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 19, 2019 I'd like to nominate Grum for Member Support Hero Award. Man Grum! You are tenacious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer eastbowl2 Posted September 20, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 20, 2019 6 hours ago, MaxSwell said: I'd like to nominate Grum for Member Support Hero Award. Man Grum! You are tenacious! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalumL Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Rob  Glad you have fault found the issue, now just a case of getting hold of and fitting the replacement part/fixing the wiring. Please update the thread with the final result so we all know what to look out for.  Grum, well done for taking the time to step by step walk through the checks needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 21, 2019 Author Share Posted September 21, 2019 22 hours ago, CalumL said: Rob  Glad you have fault found the issue, now just a case of getting hold of and fitting the replacement part/fixing the wiring. Please update the thread with the final result so we all know what to look out for.  Grum, well done for taking the time to step by step walk through the checks needed. Thanks, and a HUGE thanks to Grum for walking me through it, as you may have gathered I'm not the best with electrics, as for the replacement its on backorder from Belgium and i won't get it until the 10th of October, so the old one is being taken off my vfr and I'm gonna see if the sparky at work can do anything with it just to get me running until the new one turns up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Grum Posted September 21, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, 71Rob said: Thanks, and a HUGE thanks to Grum for walking me through it, as you may have gathered I'm not the best with electrics, as for the replacement its on backorder from Belgium and i won't get it until the 10th of October, so the old one is being taken off my vfr and I'm gonna see if the sparky at work can do anything with it just to get me running until the new one turns up Hi Rob. Â Sounds like you've already removed the switch. Did you run a meter over it.? Have you confirmed it's open circuit? Keen to know. Hope you're up and running soon, keep us posted. Â Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 21, 2019 Author Share Posted September 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Grum said: Hi Rob. Â Sounds like you've already removed the switch. Did you run a meter over it.? Have you confirmed it's open circuit? Keen to know. Hope you're up and running soon, keep us posted. Â Cheers. no, not removed it yet had to make a lot of space in my garage and then swap things around with my c10 chevy, so i'm not working on it on the side of the road, had to go and collect a works van so i can at least get to work for a bit, been a busy day. hopefully it won't be too much hassle to get the loom out, the switch base is held by 3 screws or bolts (again hoping they aren't shear bolts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Rob Posted September 21, 2019 Author Share Posted September 21, 2019 I think it may just be an open circuit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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