RossC Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Hey all...I've searched a bit...but just haven't found a definitive answer. I'm sure this has been covered lots, so I apologize in advance. Got an 07 for use mostly as a commuter about a month ago. I reached out to Jamie at DMR and will be getting his shock and will have him do the fork work. My question is regarding the F4/F4i forks. Jamie recommends just using the lower fork legs with VFR uppers because of the length issue. I didn't follow up with him to ask the next portion, but I will after some input from you guys. What is the length difference between the F4/F4i forks compared with the 6th gen vfr? Aren't some of you running the complete f4 fork? Are there clearance issues? I'm running stock forks raised 10mm currently and a little quicker turn in wouldn't hurt. I would imagine I'll wind up using the vfr uppers and f4 lowers. But it would be nice to be able to sell off the complete vfr forks to recoup some of the costs. I'm having a bit of a hard time justifying dropping $2k or so on a $3k craigslist special. But then I think I'll have suspension and brakes I like...and a really good long term commuter. And a quick note, I appreciate that some of you like the linked brakes. I'm sure I could learn to live with them, pretty sure Fast Freddy taught with them back in the day at his school. But I don't want to. Thanks in advance for the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer zupatun Posted September 3, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 3, 2019 F4 and F4i forks are not the same. F4i forks total length are shorter than VFR forks. Also, the brakes from your VFR and fender wont work either. The F4 ('99-'00) forks are indeed 795 mm in length to the VFR's 800 mm (funny that). The F4i forks are 785 mm. The end result is that the fork tubes sit about 10 mm below the handlebar top edge, but more than enough for the bolt to clamp, the handlebar-to-fork mount being 33 mm in height. VFRworld threads are where I started my research: https://vfrworld.com/threads/vf4ir-the-project-begins.20085/ And https://vfrworld.com/threads/vfr800-5th-generation-a-gearhead’s-delinking-brake-saga-and-the-interceptor-ss.3617/ Matt in Haymarket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossC Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 Much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer mello dude Posted September 4, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, zupatun said: F4 and F4i forks are not the same. F4i forks total length are shorter than VFR forks. Also, the brakes from your VFR and fender wont work either. The F4 ('99-'00) forks are indeed 795 mm in length to the VFR's 800 mm (funny that). The F4i forks are 785 mm. The end result is that the fork tubes sit about 10 mm below the handlebar top edge, but more than enough for the bolt to clamp, the handlebar-to-fork mount being 33 mm in height. VFRworld threads are where I started my research: https://vfrworld.com/threads/vf4ir-the-project-begins.20085/ And https://vfrworld.com/threads/vfr800-5th-generation-a-gearhead’s-delinking-brake-saga-and-the-interceptor-ss.3617/ Matt in Haymarket Wow, I didnt know my 13 year old delink post was still active. Not sure its all valid anymore either and its primarily for 5th gen...... I think the OP is talking about a 6th gen..... I'm sure guys have dropped in F4i forks on 6th gens, and probly have done the F4i fork lower with VFR uppers too. Dont forget to take care of the rear brakes too with a master cylinder change to 14mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer TheLimey Posted September 4, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 4, 2019 Also, I believe the travel is different between VFR and F4i forks. From memory, the VFR is 109mm and the F4i forks are 120mm, so the VFR cartridge tubes must be used in the new frankenfork to prevent the front tire bottoming out on anything it shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer zupatun Posted September 5, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 5, 2019 No Frankenfork for me. I used 6th gen triples, F4i forks, fender and calipers with my 5th gen wheel. Matt in Haymarket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Terry Posted September 5, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted September 5, 2019 I used F4i forks, 954 calipers, CBR600RR 03 master, 6th gen triples and bars, F4i fender and the 5G wheel/axle/spacers on my 5G, was a great combination that gave me no issues at all. The only bit that did not align perfectly was the steering lock, and I used a couple of washers to lower the mechanism down from the top triple which worked fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer jkboyd Posted October 10, 2019 Member Contributer Share Posted October 10, 2019 On my 5th gen I went with Jamie's recommendation and used 6th gen fork tubes with F4i lowers. I really like the setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieg Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 On my 5th gen I went with Jamie's recommendation and used 6th gen fork tubes with F4i lowers. I really like the setup. I'm considering using 6th Gen fork tubes and F4i lowers on my 6th Gen. Looking at part numbers (90126) it looks like the lower cartridge retaining bolts are different diameters and lengths ( 8x27mm vs 10x35mm.) How did you overcome this issue? Did you use the 6th cartridge or install a custom one?Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Terry Posted May 23, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted May 23, 2020 F4 cartridges in F4 lowers with the F4 bolt. No issues there. The cartridges are the same external diameter so no issue using the 6G fork tubes. You can take any fancy valve parts (e.g. Gold Valves or similar) from the 6G cartridge and use them in the F4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Mohawk Posted May 23, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted May 23, 2020 If you’d do a little research then you would know that F4/F4i have fully adjustable forks, 1.Preload, 2.Rebound,3.Compression. The 6th gen only has Preload & Rebound adjustment, the reason for swapping to F4 lowers is to gain Compression damping & for Brake delinking with much better front brakes. The only consideration here is the damper rod length at full extension, if with the forks fully extended you have the damper rod out of the fork top just high enough to attach to the preload adjuster then they are good to go. So swapping lowers with their associated cartridge means using the same bolt/washer designed for it. The one thing that has always Pee’d me off about Japanese manufactured bikes is they keep changing parts like damper rod bolt for no apparent reason, it would be much cheaper for all concerned if they’d pick a standard & stick to it. And don’t get me started on part numbers 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieg Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Thanks guys, however is it possible to use the VFR cartridge with F4i lower cases only? The part numbers for the cases are 51420-mbw and 51520-mbw. I've managed to find some lower cases for a good price but obviously they don't come with any cartridges... My main objective is to replace the linked brakes with brakes from a F4i. I would like to use as much of the vfr fork internals as possible initially to keep costs down....The ultimate goal is to upgrade to a DMr BD20 fork cartridge but in the short term was hoping to get up and running with brake upgrade only...Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Mohawk Posted May 23, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted May 23, 2020 The F4 has compression damper adjusters at the bottom on the sliders, so if you use the VFR cartridge you will need a means to seal that extra hole. I fitted Honda cartridges to a Kawasaki lower, that had a much large bottom bolt. I turned the Kawa bolt down & cut a new thread to suit the Honda cartridge. You might be able to do the same, or use a sleeve to centre the VFR bolt in the CBR hole ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer jkboyd Posted June 4, 2020 Member Contributer Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 3:17 AM, richieg said: I'm considering using 6th Gen fork tubes and F4i lowers on my 6th Gen. Looking at part numbers (90126) it looks like the lower cartridge retaining bolts are different diameters and lengths ( 8x27mm vs 10x35mm.) How did you overcome this issue? Did you use the 6th cartridge or install a custom one? Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk Sorry I'm just seeing this. I sent everything to Jamie and let him take care of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87013sz Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 2:45 PM, richieg said: Thanks guys, however is it possible to use the VFR cartridge with F4i lower cases only? The part numbers for the cases are 51420-mbw and 51520-mbw. I've managed to find some lower cases for a good price but obviously they don't come with any cartridges... My main objective is to replace the linked brakes with brakes from a F4i. I would like to use as much of the vfr fork internals as possible initially to keep costs down.... The ultimate goal is to upgrade to a DMr BD20 fork cartridge but in the short term was hoping to get up and running with brake upgrade only... Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk Hey, did you manage to this? As I'm in the process of doing the same. Sourcing parts is very difficult where I'm from. I may have found F4i lowers but thats it. So if I could use my 6th Gen stanchions and internals (also have custom springs in) and fit them to the F4i lowers without any modification that would be awesome. I'm ready to give up the compression adjustment for the moment as my main goal is to delink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieg Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Hey, did you manage to this? As I'm in the process of doing the same. Sourcing parts is very difficult where I'm from. I may have found F4i lowers but thats it. So if I could use my 6th Gen stanchions and internals (also have custom springs in) and fit them to the F4i lowers without any modification that would be awesome. I'm ready to give up the compression adjustment for the moment as my main goal is to delink. Not yet, I have the fork lowers now and some fork oil on order. The main issue is the cartridge retaining bolt. The VFR one is 8mm, the F4i 10mm. I have bought some brass sleeves that fit in the F4i fork lowers with an internal diameter of 8mm so I'm hoping that I can use the VFR bolt. I already have wilbers springs so just want to rebuild my forks with the cbr lowers so I can delink the brakes.Might upgrade the fork internals later bit want to be more comfortable rebuilding forks (it my first time!) so thought I'd attempt it in stages.Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieg Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Forgot to mention you also need to remove the bottom out cone form the F4i forks I'd you are going to use the VFR cartridge. Part number starting 51432. It's supposed to be quite difficult to remove. Fortunately the fork lowers I bought already had them removed.Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87013sz Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 That is awesome Richieg. We have the same goal lol. I rebuilt my 6th gen forks last year and put in Wilbers springs in too. All I want to do now is delink the brakes as I am really hating the clutter and want to shed some weight off.I already knew about the 10mm to 8mm difference and was thinking about sleeving it too. However I didn't know about the bottom out cone so thanks for the heads up.I might just go ahead and order everything, but I managed to find a pair of complete F4i forks in good working order I just need confirmation on shipping price. If so it'll save me a huge headache. But if that fails at least I have the F4i lowers ready to be shipped just incase.Let me know how it goes Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFR750F3 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Can you post a picture and dimensions of the sleeve and were you purchased it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieg Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Got them from a UK eBay seller but no more available from that source I'm afraid.Anyhow details as followsbrass sleeves 7.8 centers that fits an m8 bolt The length is 25mm longOuter diameter is 9.7I have inserted them in the fork lowers and they look like they may be a few mm too long. Will probably shorten them with a hacksaw and file.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233589668761Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFR750F3 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieg Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 thank you very much These should work as wellhttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362590752089From HK I guess you are US based?Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87013sz Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 I finally recieved my F4i forks complete with axle, calipers and master cylinder. Will take them to a specialist to strip them so I can paint the lowers in satin black and hopefully my Wilbers springs from my 6th gen forks fit in with no problems.Will also be rebuilding the calipers and paint them in gold. Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFR750F3 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 i decided just to drill and tap keeping the 10mm bolt. the 8mm bolt is a little too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieg Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 i decided just to drill and tap keeping the 10mm bolt. the 8mm bolt is a little too short. What parts from the vfr forks are you using? Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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