Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Kochan

Engine noise RC46

Recommended Posts

Hi all!

 

I’ve found a few threads with similar title but I get an impression that the noise in my case is bit different. Anyone have an idea what could be the problem?

 

 

Thanks a lot!

Kochan

 

Patient: VFR 800 VTEC ‘09, 60kkm

 

 

Wysłane z iPhone za pomocą Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Dzien dobry Kochan.

 

Sounds like the good old CCT (Cam Chain Tensioner) failure, and at 60,000kms that's about when they play up. Just need to establish whether it's the front or rear CCT, listen closely around the cylinder head area.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for the reply. I’ve replaced the CCTs and now it sounds like this:

http://



Is this ticking sound normal? Or it’s the timing chain being loose? Or maybe I’m just paranoid? ;)

Best,
Kochan


Wysłane z iPhone za pomocą Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Dobry, all fixed, sounds as good as new.  Enjoy your ride.:wheel:

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, actually it’s still noisy :(

This is how it sounds now with the clutch lever being pulled (no noise) and released (knocking).

http://




Wysłane z iPhone za pomocą Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is quite common. In the video your engine appears to be idling slow and a little rough, this makes the situation worse, may just be the clutch plates rattling in the cage.

 

Does is go away with a warm engine and higher RPM's?

Is your Oil level correct and of the correct viscosity?

Does the bike ride ok when shifting gears?

Is your warm idle speed set to 1200rpm?

 

What may improve this a lot is Starter Valve Synch which will hopefully smooth out your idling. Otherwise apart from the noise it may be nothing to worry about.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Grum,

I’ll check all things you’ve pointed out as soon as I’ll put my bike together ;)
I did not change the oil yet (since last Autumn) since I was not sure if I’ll have o drain the oil to check the clutch or replace timing chains.... I’ll do it and go for the test ride.

Thanks for your help,
Much appreciated!

Best,
Kochan


Wysłane z iPhone za pomocą Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi, so... answering your questions 🙂

 

Is your Oil level correct and of the correct viscosity?

- yes

Does the bike ride ok when shifting gears?

- shifting is bit hard but it works, the clutch seems to 

Is your warm idle speed set to 1200rpm?

- yes, approximately

Does is go away with a warm engine and higher RPM's?

- Hard to say with accessory exhaust 😉 But it goes away and comes back randomly. It's pretty 'hard', metal knocking so based on suggestion from a mate on Polish VFR forum I decided to inspect the clutch...

 

I took it apart yesterday and this is how it looks like: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jn6y3wbe96lag30/AADd1--llCsE5IMBnuGuWOQYa?dl=0
Can you spot any issues? 🙂

 

This is what I've noticed:

- 1.mov & 4.mov - the sprocket wobbles when I spin the clutch inner

- 3.mov & 8.mov - the oil pump chain is veeery loose

- 12.mov - the basket wear marks

- A.jpg - the springs free length too short according to manual

 

Best,

Grzegorz

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Kochan.

A great lot of videos. I hope that some of the other members with a lot of Clutch experience can help you here, as I have never pulled a VFR clutch apart!

 

But the things that concern me are:

The wobble of the clutch Outer as you spin the inner. Could this mean a slightly bent Main Shaft.? (1.mov).

Not sure wether your oil pump drive chain is too loose, it might be ok. (3.mov).

Have no idea how the score marks have appeared on the clutch Outer (12.mov).

 

Good luck, let's hope some of the more experienced members can help you here.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for your help buddy!

Regarding the outer basket wobble, I hope it’s not the Main Shaft... I think I’ll start with replacing the bearings and the clutch guide. I hope it’ll solve the problem.

Maybe somebody else have other ideas/opinions?

Best,
Kochan


Wysłane z iPhone za pomocą Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would appreciate your help guys...

I’ve replaced the bearing and the tube and the basket is still wobbling. The only thing that comes to my mind is the spacer or the bent main shaft ... anyone has any suggestions?

Best,
Kochan


Wysłane z iPhone za pomocą Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Inner and otter baskets are cast aluminum and may not run true even when new...  Honda considers it

normal and thats why I machine my own billet basket on my  500 Belt-o-Ceptor... I may machine a billet

basket on Mr.RC45 because it wobbles like yours...

 

VFR800
Problem develops over time and its normal for the clutch knock at idle... over time
means slop develops allowing the gear teeth to knock about and thus the
noise... grab the clutch lever and the inner basket helps align the
outer basket and the noise deadens... the only cure is to eliminate
the slop with new clutch parts... namely replace the clutch guide p/n
22116-MB0-000 and clutch bearing 91024-MB0-003

 

Another cure is aftermarket exhaust and ear plugs which effectively
curbs the amount of clutch noise from invading your space...

 

VF500BilletClutch.JPG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks a lot for a descriptive answer! Much appreciated!

I’m putting everything together now. I have a quick question regarding the pressure plate position. There are marking on the pressure plate but I can’t find anything to align it with not I can find anything about it in the manual. Is the position of the pressure plate important?

6be121b0d295b0eacbb055894e993468.jpg


Wysłane z iPhone za pomocą Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi guys,

Just want to update you with the current status. I put everything together replacing:
- clutch basket guide
- clutch basket bearing
- pressure plate bearing
- oil pump sprocket chain
- friction plates
- clutch cover gasket

The noise is gone! The annoying metal knocking is completely gone. The only thing I can hear is noisy cam chains (tensioner already replaced) but this is something for another thread ;)

Thank you for your help!

Best,
Kochan


Wysłane z iPhone za pomocą Tapatalk

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy.