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53 minutes ago, Ziffer said:

I don't know. I think the last round was around $1700.

That is about $2500 AUD, about half the value of my bike as it is, not including shipping to Oz. It would be great to have one, but it’s a bit much for this retiree.

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No, prices are on the first page. Last go around was $1070 complete, that included shipping, passivation & 7.75% CA sales tax for those of us in CA. Wasn't sure if those prices were going to stand or not this time around?

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9 hours ago, Ziffer said:

I don't know. I think the last round was around $1700.

I paid $830, and the option for passivation is $90.  7.75% CA tax, not including shipping. (8G)

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2 hours ago, MikeOConner said:

Is there some sort of order form that we need to fill out? Does anyone know if it includes the high mount pipe?

 

-Mike

Hi Mike

The last go-around it was just the header.

 

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On 12/15/2022 at 8:48 AM, Gotama said:

I’m seeing a lot of posts about what exhaust cans to get for the system. Here’s my two. Cents.
Long time ago FMF racing made a dual can system for these bikes, those days are long gone.

  What I was able to do and research is that any exhaust system off of a similar year Yamaha R1 can be fitted up to a custom splitter pipe. Which sfdownhill fabricated for my particular project 

I wasn’t expecting him to knock this completely out of the park with such an awesome fabricated job.

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One thing to keep in mind with the header is the header exit, where it mounts to the splitter pipe, is the same diameter as the stock pipe with gasket. In other words, if you were using the stock mufflers they would slip-fit over the header without a gasket. The problem is some of the aftermarket slip-ons are designed to slip-fit over the stock exhaust without the gasket. In other words, the outer diameter of the header exit is the same diameter as the entrance to the splitter pipe and the splitter won't slide over the header. I'm pretty sure this was brought up somewhere in the thread on the header build, but I figured I'd bring it up again. I bought a Black Widow system and ran into this problem. I used an expander to expand the end of the Balck Widow system just enough to slide over the header, it was somewhat of a PITA! Then I used a lap joint band clamp to tighten the splitter pipe to the header. The Balck Widow systems appears to be well built. 20220131_162825.thumb.jpg.b140a5d2db78469dd3145614ca6dfc10.jpg20220208_201254.thumb.jpg.ce941e831418759e488e9811db5c5c1f.jpg20220208_201525.thumb.jpg.f3655e15bca7578c4cab8ce49e53729f.jpg

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I had an exhaust shop expand my Delkevic pipe to match the VFRD header.  I gave them $20, it took them five seconds and they didn't want anything for it.  It's way easier for them than any of the home-expanders.  The one I picked up gave up before the Delkevic pipe did.

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2 hours ago, ShipFixer said:

I had an exhaust shop expand my Delkevic pipe to match the VFRD header.  I gave them $20, it took them five seconds and they didn't want anything for it.  It's way easier for them than any of the home-expanders.  The one I picked up gave up before the Delkevic pipe did.

I had a muffler shop try to expand my connector pipe and they split it. I ended up having a welder guy remove the center stand stop bump, and at the same time, fix the crack in my connector pipe the muffler shop guy created when trying to expand  the diameter.  The expansion of the pipe has to be done by someone skilled and someone not in a rush. 😉 

See video below for my end result, you can see my welder guys handy work. I was super pleased!

Nice to hear you found a competent muffler shop guy 😉 

 

 

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58 pages! I finally got round to reading every page, but then we are sat on a beach in 33°C / 91°F chillin’ with a few ice cold Changs so what better place to while away the hours!

Firstly, thanks doesn’t sound anywhere near enough to Lance and Darryl for continuing to provide the worldwide VFR community with such a fabulous product. Thanks also to all those others who have contributed.:beer:

Now that I have purchased and refreshed an 01 5th Gen and ridden for a brief few miles before the dreaded winter weather hit, I want to nail down what I plan to do and see if anyone with greater skills and experience than me can forsee any issues with what I’m considering.

1.       5th Gen WILD headers (I like that name), passivated, NGK Titanium spark plugs, currently have new OEM air filter but happy to buy the larger K&N as it looks worth it. Question whether there is a better option than the supplied Delkevic crush washers? Some folk seem to have been having issues.

2.       Looking to purchase a high-mount GPR end can/muffler but slightly concerned with the potential fitting issue from the link pipe to the new headers due to differing diameters. I’m not aware of any specialist exhaust folk near me and don’t want to be left with all this beautiful kit lying on the bench because I can’t get 2 pipes to fit. And no, I possess neither the skills nor tools to DIY this. @sfdownhill (or anyone) – what’s the od at the back end of the WILD headers please? I can contact GPR and see what the id of their connector pipe is.

3.      PCV or RBM? PCV costs £432, which RBM is likely to be best suited as they don't seem to id which kit for which bike like DJ do? Atm, I'll plan to purchase a PCV, update so it runs with the 01. I’ll try stock map first but then look to pay the $50 for the Attack map. Never tried to tune a bike like this before so am a little nervous about it. Currently discounting the RBM as I think it’s a little overkill for my needs/skills, but does depend on price and skill level required to fit. The bike will only be on the road from April to September, no track days, just ridden to enjoy.

4.       O2 sensor set up – question; O2 eliminators on the front 2 sensor holes, PCV sensor on the rear one? Is this the way the PCV should be setup? 2 x O2 eliminators included with PCV. What connections does RBM require? 

 

Sorry if most of these points have been covered but with $1500+ more being invested on a bike that has already (willingly) cost me an arm and a leg but one I do not plan to sell, ever, I need to make sure I get it right. 

Any issues with what I'm planning, what have I missed or simply got wrong? 

Finally, @sfd/duc2v4 - can you email me when you want the deposit please, I don't check in on this site every day and don't want to mess you around with a delayed payment.

Thanks. 

Cheers. :beer:

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Hi Skids. Sounds like you're up to a lot of fun with gen5. Sorry can't help you much, but I think you're up for serious trouble sourcing "NGK Titanium spark plugs"! Reckon you're thinking of Iridium, the ones you want for a 5gen are CR9EHIX-9. 

Could enjoy an ice cold Chang myself damn hot over here too.

Cheers.:beer:

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3 hours ago, Grum said:

Hi Skids. Sounds like you're up to a lot of fun with gen5. Sorry can't help you much, but I think you're up for serious trouble sourcing "NGK Titanium spark plugs"! Reckon you're thinking of Iridium, the ones you want for a 5gen are CR9EHIX-9. 

Could enjoy an ice cold Chang myself damn hot over here too.

Cheers.:beer:

I blame the beers. Of course I meant Iridium 🤦‍♂️ :beer:

 

 

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Stick with a PC3 unless you need the additional functions of the PCV or RBE, the RBR is overkill as 5th Gen won't take much if any ignition advance. I'm not sure if PC do a FuelCommander for the VFR.

 

Re the exhaust outlet I think the Wild was spec'd to take the Honda link pipe and its stupidly thick gasket. Everyone else's headers come with 2" (51mm) exit for direct connect to link pipe with paste sealant & no gasket. 
 

5th Gen only needs 1x O2 eliminator resistor to kill Fi fault light. Can be on either circuit. Stock O2 feed from ECU is NOT man enough for a wideband sensor, so I coupled both together to feed my wideband from the ECU. 

PCV bypasses stock O2 & just fits eliminators to kill the Fi fault light. This generates electrical resistance on the O2 heater circuit. But with no Lambda circuit the ECU defaults to a fixed map imternally. Then you tune the fuelling from this base setting. PC use 13.2/1 AFR which I believe may have been correct back in the 70's on Air cooled, iron bored, carbed bikes. But is way to rich for EFI water cooled machines. I currently run 14.4/1 AFR & the bikes makes as much power as before, dyno tested. Gets better mpg, runs at the same coolant temps. 
 

I hope that helps. 

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47 minutes ago, Mohawk said:

Stick with a PC3 unless you need the additional functions of the PCV or RBE, the RBR is overkill as 5th Gen won't take much if any ignition advance. I'm not sure if PC do a FuelCommander for the VFR.

 

Re the exhaust outlet I think the Wild was spec'd to take the Honda link pipe and its stupidly thick gasket. Everyone else's headers come with 2" (51mm) exit for direct connect to link pipe with paste sealant & no gasket. 
 

5th Gen only needs 1x O2 eliminator resistor to kill Fi fault light. Can be on either circuit. Stock O2 feed from ECU is NOT man enough for a wideband sensor, so I coupled both together to feed my wideband from the ECU. 

PCV bypasses stock O2 & just fits eliminators to kill the Fi fault light. This generates electrical resistance on the O2 heater circuit. But with no Lambda circuit the ECU defaults to a fixed map imternally. Then you tune the fuelling from this base setting. PC use 13.2/1 AFR which I believe may have been correct back in the 70's on Air cooled, iron bored, carbed bikes. But is way to rich for EFI water cooled machines. I currently run 14.4/1 AFR & the bikes makes as much power as before, dyno tested. Gets better mpg, runs at the same coolant temps. 
 

I hope that helps. 

Yeah but the RBR also skips all those manual steps, or the need for dyno testing... 🙃

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12 hours ago, Skids said:

58 pages! I finally got round to reading every page, but then we are sat on a beach in 33°C / 91°F chillin’ with a few ice cold Changs so what better place to while away the hours!

 

Cheers. :beer:

I found the Delkevic washers to be a little delicate and didn't quite make the seal, went back to the Honda washers.

 

I just put my Erion pipe on and measured the VFRD header OD at just over 49mm. My Erion mid-pipe is slotted but had a 54mm ID. I sourced an exhaust gasket to match off of AliExpress.

 

RB reading here, worth a few more cold ones.

 

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18 hours ago, Skids said:

1.       5th Gen WILD headers (I like that name), passivated, NGK Titanium spark plugs, currently have new OEM air filter but happy to buy the larger K&N as it looks worth it. Question whether there is a better option than the supplied Delkevic crush washers? Some folk seem to have been having issues.

2.       Looking to purchase a high-mount GPR end can/muffler but slightly concerned with the potential fitting issue from the link pipe to the new headers due to differing diameters. I’m not aware of any specialist exhaust folk near me and don’t want to be left with all this beautiful kit lying on the bench because I can’t get 2 pipes to fit. And no, I possess neither the skills nor tools to DIY this. @sfdownhill (or anyone) – what’s the od at the back end of the WILD headers please? I can contact GPR and see what the id of their connector pipe is.

3.      PCV or RBM? PCV costs £432, which RBM is likely to be best suited as they don't seem to id which kit for which bike like DJ do? Atm, I'll plan to purchase a PCV, update so it runs with the 01. I’ll try stock map first but then look to pay the $50 for the Attack map. Never tried to tune a bike like this before so am a little nervous about it. Currently discounting the RBM as I think it’s a little overkill for my needs/skills, but does depend on price and skill level required to fit. The bike will only be on the road from April to September, no track days, just ridden to enjoy.

4.       O2 sensor set up – question; O2 eliminators on the front 2 sensor holes, PCV sensor on the rear one? Is this the way the PCV should be setup? 2 x O2 eliminators included with PCV. What connections does RBM require? 
 

Finally, @sfd/duc2v4 - can you email me when you want the deposit please

 

Hi S, I'll share my experince, hopefully this will help you or others.

 

First a Public Service Annoncement: 2 years ago @Dangeruss wrote an index on this thread. A+ work.

 

1) Presently Delkevic website is out of 42mm crush washers and have been since late summer when I tried to order a set. I've called them a few times but the phone was not answered.  I also emailed a few times, again no answer. Have not reached out the them in a few months. The crush washers are available on Delkevic's eBay store for $37.99 each (not doing that).  I think you'll have better luck finding 42mm crush washers on your side of the pond. Why 42mm crush washers over the stock 41mm? Note G from SF's Intro on the mega header build thread: "Significant improvement can be achieved over OEM gas flow through the exhaust port into the header primaries by using crush gaskets that do not intrude into the gas flow path when installed."

 

Reading @MooseMoose install thread, you can see how much the stock 41mm gaskets block the exhaust flow.  To install 42mm crush washers, I used a 32mm socket to press the washers in place, my sockets slightly < 42mm OD was a good fit to insert the crush washers into the exhaust port.

 

A note from MooseMoose's installaion, "For some reason, TBR made their (front) pipes very narrow, and you have to somehow spread them out to get them into the ports. I mean SUPER narrow. Like, line one up with a port and the other one is only covering 1/3 of its port. I texted @sfdownhill and asked if this was normal. His response was that this was expected and that he found lining up those back pipes first and loosely slip fitting them helped to get these lined up."

 

After a few thousand miles and subsequent heat cycles, I removed my headers to polish them. When I reinstalled them,  the front pipes were not as narrow as they were when new, this made reinstallation easier.
I did not remove the center stand for install. Just like you have to spread the front pipes for initial install, you can spread the header where it meets the center stand.

 

2) More info from SF's detail Intro:
-header's collector exit tube will have a 51mm od [See Note c below]

IMPORTANT - when having a slipon's midpipe expanded to fit this performance header, make certain the muffler shop expands it gradually in two or more small steps. Wade recommends drilling a relief hole at the muffler side ends of the midpipe's slots to distribute stress and reduce the possibility of tearing. Wade tested the viability of expanded slotted 304 stainless steel 18 gauge 2" od tubing by slotting a piece of 2" tubing while I was at his facility. He then expanded the slotted end of the tube in two steps to fit over the 51mm od collector exit pipe with no tearing at the slots.

 

I had my Staintune expanded by a shop that's both an exhaust shop (MGR Mufflers) and motorcycle repair shop (Pro J's Cycles). The technician took multiple small steps, the end result was perfect!  No drilling of relief hole was necessary.

 

3) I also had a Power Commander / Rapid Bike dilema. Found a few old threads here on VFRD dicussing the pros and cons. I noted a few questions and called Rapid Bike. Unfotnunatly the call did not go well. I must have called Y.T. on a bad day, after a few questions, he felt I would not be a good customer, would not be able to handle the installtion and hung up on me. I was disapointed and surprised as Y.T seemed friendly on his introductory thread. C’est la vie.

 

My next question: PC5 with or without a 02 sensor? I have a '99 so by default no sensor.  Understaing that the autotune functionality on a PC5 is not as robust as RB I opted to go bungless header and no sensor.  I know I'm not getting the optimum performance by getting perfect A/F ratios but I'm not trying to build a supreme racebike where every little HP counts.  This is just a bike to cruise around SF Bay with occasional trips to the Sierras.  Inititially I used a new PC5 that the nice folks at Revzilla priced matched an obscure eBay seller then gave me a promo 20%.  Though first I had to update the firmware on my PC5. I ran it with the Attack map and it was crazy, power wheelies in 2nd gear!  Then I torched  the PC5 when my Main Fuse B fused. I was lucky and found a used PC3 on ebay for a good price. I still have the PC3 and change between the Attack map and a map for a full Erion system I downloaded from VFRD. Eventually I'll get it tuned, but it runs fine and don't have access to a bike with autotune functionality to see what I'm missing out on.

 

4) No bungs, no sensors, no input here.

 

5) In the past, vfrheaders@gmail.com is what I used to communicate with the WiLD Development Team.

 

 

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Greetings gentlemen. The holidaze have been everything they are cracked up to be - intense, fruitful, and busy.

 

First of all, let's all send whatever thoughts and prayers we can to Duc2V4 and his wife Katie, especially over the next few days, but also over the next couple months, as he went in for a serious surgical procedure this morning. His spirit is strong and he has prepared well, but what he's facing is much more than a tuneup, and getting back to regular life won't be quick or easy. Godspeed D.

 

Visiting Duc2V4 a couple times has been a priority lately; he and I have connected on several critical topics, some even more important than headers, so please allow me to beg your forgiveness here for the delays in getting this order under way. I am back home in Las Vegas after logging a ton of miles over the past two weeks. Most of the miles have been in the car or on one of the bicycles, which doesn't make me sad, but am missing the motorcycles. Thinking about riding down the baja peninsula next month. Not sure if I'll rent an adventure bike to keep up with my friend on his BMW GS - he wants to do more dirt and ADV than my 5 gen will tolerate.

 

D and I have gone through the details, checking pricing on the pipes and passivation, etc. I stopped by Wade's shop unannounced [But brought him a 12 pack of good beer to soften the blow of my surprise visit] and found him grudgingly welding stainless steel - woohoo! He's really building! I wish I had taken a photo of the manifold he built for the monster of a Razr side-by-side that was in his shop...that thing appeared to have 20 inches of suspension travel! The primary headers Wade built all elegantly wound and twisted together to the point where a new turbo was perched. Beautiful work, as usual.

 

On 1/9/2023 at 12:42 PM, VFR78 said:
On 1/9/2023 at 11:48 AM, Ziffer said:

I don't know. I think the last round was around $1700.

That is about $2500 AUD, about half the value of my bike as it is, not including shipping to Oz. It would be great to have one, but it’s a bit much for this retiree.

 

So here's current pricing: Headers are $85 more than the $830 they used to cost and passivation is still $90.

 

[Passivation is acid dipping the finished headers for strength and a beautiful appearance. Please refer to the opening pages of this thread to learn what passivation means for exhaust systems like ours that are made of welded stainless steel].

 

From here on out, passivation is no longer an option - we are passivating all the headers for several reasons:

1 - everyone who ordered headers has opted to have them passivated [Except two guys back in 2019]

2 - passivation improves strength and longevity

3 - passivation makes the pipes look great

4 - due to external forces, we can't be sure Duc2V4 will be able to monitor the orders as closely as he usually does, so having a single price for every set of headers will help us keep the details straight and deliver a better product to every person who orders headers.

 

Net result is that a set of headers for 5 gen, 6 gen, or 8 gen VFR800s will cost $830 [old price] + $85 [price increase] + $90 [passivation] = $1005.00 plus shipping [CA residents pay 7.75% sales tax - sorry]. The deposit to order a set of headers is now $300.

 

Duc2V4 and I will be getting PMs out to all the folks on the list that Ziffer has so helpfully posted here, so if you're on Ziffer's list, expect a Personal Message in your VFRD inbox. The PMs will include instructions on steps to take when ordering headers and a request for info like shipping address, etc.

 

In a nutshell, in case you're not on the list yet, to purchase headers, here's how you do it:

 

Send your $300 deposit as 'SENDING TO A FRIEND' via paypal to the paypal account of vfrheaders@gmail.com. SENDING TO A FRIEND will always be capitalized here so it doesn't slip past peoples' perceptions.

 

In the 'note' section of the paypal transfer for your deposit, please include the following information:

-your VFRD username

-your actual name

-how many headers you are ordering

-what gen VFR your headers are for

-shipping address

 

More to follow shortly. Onward and upward!

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I'm sure you will, but please keep us updated on Darryl's progress and next time you see him, give him our best wishes for a speedy and successful recovery. 

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On 1/13/2023 at 4:18 PM, Skids said:

I'm sure you will, but please keep us updated on Darryl's progress and next time you see him, give him our best wishes for a speedy and successful recovery. 


Will do skids. Duc2V4’s surgery was Friday and went according to plan - he woke up in  the recovery room and spoke  with his wife and sister same day, albeit groggy from anesthesia. He’s not up to talking on the phone yet, and we don’t know the  results of the follow up MRI, but the surgical crew believe they removed all of the tumor from between his brain and his skull - it’s very good that the malignant tumor was not in or among his brain tissue. Member here shotgonz and I will be visiting him Tuesday and we’ll report back.

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On 1/11/2023 at 9:44 AM, Skids said:

 

Now that I have purchased and refreshed an 01 5th Gen and ridden for a brief few miles before the dreaded winter weather hit, I want to nail down what I plan to do and see if anyone with greater skills and experience than me can forsee any issues with what I’m considering.

1.       5th Gen WILD headers (I like that name), passivated, NGK Titanium spark plugs, currently have new OEM air filter but happy to buy the larger K&N as it looks worth it. Question whether there is a better option than the supplied Delkevic crush washers? Some folk seem to have been having issues.

2.       Looking to purchase a high-mount GPR end can/muffler but slightly concerned with the potential fitting issue from the link pipe to the new headers due to differing diameters. I’m not aware of any specialist exhaust folk near me and don’t want to be left with all this beautiful kit lying on the bench because I can’t get 2 pipes to fit. And no, I possess neither the skills nor tools to DIY this. @sfdownhill (or anyone) – what’s the od at the back end of the WILD headers please? I can contact GPR and see what the id of their connector pipe is.

3.      PCV or RBM? PCV costs £432, which RBM is likely to be best suited as they don't seem to id which kit for which bike like DJ do? Atm, I'll plan to purchase a PCV, update so it runs with the 01. I’ll try stock map first but then look to pay the $50 for the Attack map. Never tried to tune a bike like this before so am a little nervous about it. Currently discounting the RBM as I think it’s a little overkill for my needs/skills, but does depend on price and skill level required to fit. The bike will only be on the road from April to September, no track days, just ridden to enjoy.

4.       O2 sensor set up – question; O2 eliminators on the front 2 sensor holes, PCV sensor on the rear one? Is this the way the PCV should be setup? 2 x O2 eliminators included with PCV. What connections does RBM require? 

 

 

Interestingly, the RBM (EVO) is cheaper than a PCV; £376 vs £432.

 

So I guess I'll go with the RBM but I may need to ask on here for some assistance setting it all up once I've got the WILD headers and hi-level fitted.

 

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8 hours ago, sfdownhill said:

Hey guys - great news! Darryl (Duc2V4) is recovering well from his surgery. Visited him in the hospital yesterday. He’s walking and talking and mostly his normal flippant happy self. Pain meds are keeping him comfortable and he will be going home today to begin the rehab process. Heading down to the hospital now to see if I can help with the move. He grilled me about whether I’ve been paying close enough attention to the header project and sends his best to everyone here.

 

Cheers!

 

Please give my best to Darryl. I have enjoyed riding the Sierra with him a few times--well, watching his taillights disappear into the distance anyway--and he is a classy and incredibly knowledgeable guy. Thanks for the updates Lance, much appreciated. 

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On 1/18/2023 at 6:22 PM, St. Stephen said:

 

Please give my best to Darryl. I have enjoyed riding the Sierra with him a few times--well, watching his taillights disappear into the distance anyway--and he is a classy and incredibly knowledgeable guy. Thanks for the updates Lance, much appreciated. 


Hi Stephen - yep, D has mentioned your jaunts into the sierras and what great rides they were. I was along on one of those sierras weekends when you were there (On your 1200 IIRC)…super fun. I wonder if BrianF is thinking about doing the sierras again? If not, I’m pretty sure I can recreate the ‘Greatest Hits’ routes he shared with us.

 

Darryl came home from the hospital Wednesday. His recovery is starting out well - every step along the way has gone the best it possibly could have gone, so optimism is strong on all friends and family fronts. More to follow.

 

Congratulations to RC51Nick for being the first deposit placed on this round of headers. We’ll update the list and keep everyone apprised.

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6 hours ago, sfdownhill said:


 I was along on one of those sierras weekends when you were there (On your 1200 IIRC)…super fun. I wonder if BrianF is thinking about doing the sierras again? If not, I’m pretty sure I can recreate the ‘Greatest Hits’ routes he shared with us.

 

Glad to hear Darryl is progressing as hoped.

 

Yes, my 7th gen was parked outside when you walked into the breakfast place in Kernville, ~2016. Why do I remember? Finally, another rider would be wearing an Aerostich! 

 

Apologies for hijacking...

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