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5 minutes ago, gll429 said:

no idea, i am not lock smith!  i did take off the cylinder and gave it to him.. he cut a key and and pulled up something on his lap top.. and matched the chip.. 

gll429.

Are you saying, you have a HISS bike? You had NO keys? You took the Ignition switch barrel to a locksmith and he gave you a new Transponder key that matched your HISS ECU on your bike, without the locksmith even seeing your ECU?

 

If this is what you are saying, then it's news to me, I've never heard of that happening and defeats the purpose of Honda inventing HISS.

As to how the guys in Poland (who DO need to have the ECU so they can match a couple of keys to it) do it I do not know?

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OK kids I'm not a locksmith but I played one on TV once...  🙂

Actually I could tell you how I know but I'd have to kill you.

 

First, about the keys getting cut.  A qualified locksmith can pick the lock and at that point either replace the cylinder, replace the tumblers and make keys accordingly, or figure out how to cut the keys for the tumblers in place.  Picks do exist for Honda's "wave" locks.  It's not that tough.  Actually there's another option which is to leave the tumblers out altogether, then anything can turn the lock!

 

Second, about matching up chipped keys and ECUs.  If it's anything at all like the computer tools for the automotive segment, the "legit" OEM or OEM -blessed ECU interface gadgets and software usually does have certain requirements to prevent criminals from getting their hands on the stuff and abusing it.  But there's no shortage of bootleg tools and software that doesn't give a darn.  Good locksmiths who keep current with technology often have several hardware and software options on-hand.

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Grum said:

gll429.

Are you saying, you have a HISS bike? You had NO keys? You took the Ignition switch barrel to a locksmith and he gave you a new Transponder key that matched your HISS ECU on your bike, without the locksmith even seeing your ECU?

 

If this is what you are saying, then it's news to me, I've never heard of that happening and defeats the purpose of Honda inventing HISS.

As to how the guys in Poland (who DO need to have the ECU so they can match a couple of keys to it) do it I do not know?

 

 he came to the bike in the parking lot

. had is laptop sitting on the bike.. 

 i took off the cylinder because as a motorcycle mechanic, it was 2 min and saved me $50..

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6 minutes ago, Grum said:

 I've never heard of that happening and defeats the purpose of Honda inventing HISS.

 

Is there anything unique about H.I.S.S. aside of the name?

 

http://www.armstrong.com.au/automotive/what-are-transponder-keys-chip-keys/

 

http://mcguirelocksmith.com/service-articles/automotive/history-general-motors-security-keys/

 

 

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OK then. The strong suggestion is for Petar to contact a specialist Locksmith that is fully set up for Transponder Keys and get their advice. 

Thanks for the heads up Rectal and gll429.

You've got my curiosity running in overdrive! I am definetly going to research this and see just how a locksmith can code a key and match it to an ECU without forcing the ECU into program mode. Perhaps via the Vin number OR the key cut code they can identify the original Honda Transponder Codes to program a new key - just guessing at this stage.

 

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3 hours ago, gll429 said:

 

 he came to the bike in the parking lot

. had is laptop sitting on the bike.. 

 i took off the cylinder because as a motorcycle mechanic, it was 2 min and saved me $50..

 

Hi again gll429.

Just a couple of quick questions. I'm trying to wrap my brain around the process, and thanks for any info.

Did you need to remove the Ignition Switch barrel to identify any cutting code numbers?

Did the locksmith have to access your bikes ECU?

Roughly how long did the process take?

Did the locksmith need to look at your Vin number?

Thanks again gll429 anything you can offer as to how the process was done is appreciated.

 

Really think it's important information for all of us to clearly know, that with a HISS bike there is another alternative, rather than what is stated in the Service Manual that "loss of both keys means fitting a new ECU with matched keys and cut to your cutting code"

 

Cheers.

Grum

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i took it of in case it did have the code for the key.. not sure if it did.

it took him about 20 min from arrival to leaving.

.he had access to my whole bike. ecu was out in case he needed it.

i dont know what he did , but he said he had done a ton of bikes and that is not any different than a car.

 

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2 minutes ago, gll429 said:

i took it of in case it did have the code for the key.. not sure if it did.

it took him about 20 min from arrival to leaving.

.he had access to my whole bike. ecu was out in case he needed it.

i dont know what he did , but he said he had done a ton of bikes and that is not any different than a car.

 

Thanks for that.

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http://mcguirelocksmith.com/service-articles/automotive/sidewinder-honda-motorcycle-keys/ 

 

 

 as quoted.   

  1.  Bring or call in your key code to our store.
  2.  If you have no idea what a key code is, chances are you don’t have it.  We can still make you a key by bringing in the entire bike or just the ignition to our store in Kansas City.

 

 this not the shop i used.. i was in VT.. 

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OK. So just off the phone from two specialist locksmiths and without divulging any information one said yes it can be done, with both keys lost and no key cutting code.

The other also said it could be done at a cost of $800 to $900AU ! They would need to access the ECU and somehow deconstruct the ignition switch for key cutting.

Reckon the cheapest option might be - fit a non hiss ECU, modifying the bikes wiring (looks simple) and have a non transponder key made to suit the locks! OR perhaps the $220 option of sending the hiss ECU away to have new transponder keys matched to it.

YMMV.

Cheers.

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4 hours ago, Grum said:

OK. So just off the phone from two specialist locksmiths and without divulging any information one said yes it can be done, with both keys lost and no key cutting code.

The other also said it could be done at a cost of $800 to $900AU ! They would need to access the ECU and somehow deconstruct the ignition switch for key cutting.

Reckon the cheapest option might be - fit a non hiss ECU, modifying the bikes wiring (looks simple) and have a non transponder key made to suit the locks! OR perhaps the $220 option of sending the hiss ECU away to have new transponder keys matched to it.

YMMV.

Cheers.

 

so they like screwing you guys over ??  it cost less than $100 with roadside service  in VT.:blink:

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Hm, nice... 
I would try to find someone, but I don't believe... 
If you can help us somehow,... Please
Oh this is rich... It's not a question of faith. It's getting off your ass... We have given you the benefit of the doubt and gone so far as to provide you with working knowledge and several easy options and this response gets my back up again...
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Don't worry, I'll give my best to get this bike together, to make him good, OEM! 

I appreciate your time, help, searching for answers, helping to someone who know a very little... 

 

But believe me man, it's very hard when you have to work in Germany, and I'm not a German, Its very hard for me to find some pages, for example (lock, keys handler, ) cause I don't speak so very well. 

 

It's hard to understand some English words, cause we say that on our way in our language.. And you say the same, but with other words,,, so Google translate can't help a lot. 

Point is meaning of your words, which when I translate - mean something else on my language.... 

I "kidding" all of you already enough... And to search from you every single word what I didn't understand.... Not good... It's very stressful and hard enough that all for me with no money in my pocket, sommer is hier, beautiful Croatia waiting for me and my Interceptor... But I don't know how I'll handle it this Sommer... 

But I promise to all of you that I'll handle it, cause I Love it and cause of your work hier with me. 

 

I'm not a fool if I'm young and I don't know.. I just, don't know. 

12 hours of work every day, cooking, traveling to work - left me one big stress. 

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Google translate will not give you the meaning of a word,

 

Using your browser, if you hold your finger on the word it will turn blue, with "Select/Define/Copy", select Define and there'll be a definition in your language 

 

Have you got the bike registered for the road? 

 

I'm assuming not as it generally involves emission and full mechanical inspection, do you have the OEM silencer?

 

Seems there's an additional option on the site, like this

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1 minute ago, InterceptoRRC79 said:

My VFR is on "the way", she has to be delivered to my place... 

On VFR is OEM exhaust, 

 

I got the bike without keys, fairings... 

A lot of work, 

 

My first desmo Ducati was delivered in 4 dustbins, every nut and bolt had been removed ... a lot of work

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9 hours ago, Grum said:

OK. So just off the phone from two specialist locksmiths and without divulging any information one said yes it can be done, with both keys lost and no key cutting code.

The other also said it could be done at a cost of $800 to $900AU ! They would need to access the ECU and somehow deconstruct the ignition switch for key cutting.

Reckon the cheapest option might be - fit a non hiss ECU, modifying the bikes wiring (looks simple) and have a non transponder key made to suit the locks! OR perhaps the $220 option of sending the hiss ECU away to have new transponder keys matched to it.

YMMV.

Cheers.

I'll send it to the Poland 

I think, that best solution is Poland, to get everything OEM, cause I don't want to make a bicycle 🚲 from this amazing, legendary, long trip-f****×* MACHINE! 😎

 

But if I didn't saw it, if someone has wrote me better (OEM) solution, (cheaper), she is welcome of course... 

Thanks Grum. 

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23 minutes ago, Thumbs said:

 

My first desmo Ducati was delivered in 4 dustbins, every nut and bolt had been removed ... a lot of work

I can't just believe that nobody makes aftermarket fairings for our Honda '14,...there is  nothing to find,... Only Ebay, and there also companies sell little parts (cowl) for expensive price then they really are in OEM Honda Haus... 

 

I need all fairings

A both of seats, 

Back light, 

Keys, 

Right mirror, 

All little parts, for example, air tube, Duct,...  everything! 

 

And then TÜV hier in Germany, that's our mechanical inspection... 

And then DRIVE ME CRAZY, 

 

And I need some SC project, or Akrapovic Megaphone or Delkevic... Or nothing,... Cause its embarrassing to make this machine quiet 🤫 (joke, but, it's like that..) 

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Like most of us said: why would you buy this bike in this condition. It's too recent a release for there to be a generous second hand market or even aftermarket suppliers.

 

You could search on this forum for a Chinese fairing supplier a lot of members were happy with and send them an email asking when/if they will have a full set for the RC79.

 

Then google, eBay, the internet, etc. You would have to watch eBay like a hawk and try different key words in your searches. Your young, that should be an advantage for using the WWW.

 

I was doing 14-15 hour days until recently and I'm 46... So shut your whingin'

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Thumbs said:

 

If there exist Chinese fairing for some BMW, Honda CBR, (2014,2015....), of course I ask myself - why? ? 😁 

I'll l handle it somehow... I'm all in this Ebay, belive me... 

Words of searching (fairing kit, cowl) 

 

I believe you sir, however, I'm not hungry like a half of world, so big reason to not a "cry",.. Thats True. 

 

I hope I'll not "lose" in this Game... 

 

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You need to understand this isn't the typical sport bike.  It's a relatively low volume bike.  For example, Honda sells not more than 450 units per year of this bike in Japan.

 

And because it isn't the typical "dropped-it-twice-got-scared-and-sold-it" bike, there isn't much of an after market for cowling parts, etc.

 

Honestly, buying one in this condition, with no experience or ability to work on it yourself and apparently very little knowledge (or money, since it seems you are doing this as cheaply as possible), isn't a recipe for a successful outcome.  

 

Besides, one wonders about your priorities.  For example- what's the condition of the engine internals and transmission? This is one of the biggest issues on a stolen/crashed bike. 

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When I would saw somebody, that he bought a bike from Ebay, almost stolen bike, and he even didn't saw it, tried it, tried to start it up.... I WOULD also said - "what a fool,..." 

 

No problem man, it's understandable 

😎...

 

 

 

 

But thats not important now, I'll pick up my shit... I'll have to... 

And I get your point, and thanks... But it's how  it is,.. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can someone tell me where should be "key number"? 

I saw few words about key number in this forum, but that smells not good,.. 

 

I've find some local "key master", but he need a key number... And on the Honda, i don't know where I can find that number, I even don't have bike jet,... 

 

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13 hours ago, gll429 said:

so they like screwing you guys over ??  it cost less than $100 with roadside service  in VT.:blink:

 

This is just like anything else.  Shop around unless you don't care about money.

 

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22 hours ago, gll429 said:

 

 

YES YOU CAN.. a good lock smith with current tools can match the ecu to chip key!  been there , done that!!

 

 

I didn't think Honda had ever sold HISS-equipped bikes in the USA?  

 

Ciao,

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