Member Contributer Bent Posted April 12, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 12, 2016 There's no way to measure it but I was wondering how hard some of you twisty riders use engine braking. If it weren't for twisties I wouldn't own a motorcycle. I engine brake hard at times. In fact, if you ride The Dragon and other roads fast you will HAVE to engine brake hard along with being a very smooth rider. I feel better and safer using the bike brakes as little as possible and the VFR does engine brake well. I haven't seen any evidence in the three VFR's I've owned that it hurts the engine. The VFR engine will take a beating in my experience. Just a curiosity question. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Duc2V4 Posted April 12, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 12, 2016 I use engine braking all the time, I do it with the Duc too! Both have great engine breaking attributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rice Posted April 12, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 12, 2016 I engine break a lot in the twisties. Not so much while riding relaxed and commuting. Not aware of any issues engine breaking may cause. And even if it did, I'd still do it. Engine is just one of the wear items, which serve to provide me fun. If it wares out I will replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhenley17 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I engine brake even commuting. I've always done it since I started riding and I just like the sound of blipping the throttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allyance Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Saved my ass on going through the twisties when a fawn jump out in front, instinctively killed the throttle before I had time to brake. It came out the other side unscathed. Guess it is a function FI bikes, my 83 doesn't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzed_viffer Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I engine break a lot in the twisties. Not so much while riding relaxed and commuting. Not aware of any issues engine breaking may cause. And even if it did, I'd still do it. Engine is just one of the wear items, which serve to provide me fun. If it wares out I will replace it. How many engines have you broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Cogswell Posted April 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 13, 2016 I'm also a card carrying member of the engine braking club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atx Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I'm still a newbie so i'm busy trying to build good habits by braking a little before any turn(even if engine braking is doing most of the work), that way if i do need a sudden stop i've already initiated it. If i get used to just rolling off the throttle to slow down for corners and a deer pops in front of me i might just instinctually chop the throttle and be toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer slo1 Posted April 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 13, 2016 wish my bike was like a 2 stroke.......engines to go and brakes to slow most of the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer HighSideNZ Posted April 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 13, 2016 Everyone uses engine braking, even if you don't realise, and it will not hurt anything unless you end up with the rear wheel hopping. The only way not to use engine braking is to pull the clutch. If the clutch is engaged and you are decelerating, then you are using some amount of engine braking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhenley17 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 wish my bike was like a 2 stroke.......engines to go and brakes to slow most of the time...You could restore an old Kawa triple, then sell it to me cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L8Apex Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Everyone should be engine braking, I can't imagine not doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Bent Posted April 13, 2016 Author Member Contributer Share Posted April 13, 2016 I engine break a lot in the twisties. Not so much while riding relaxed and commuting. Not aware of any issues engine breaking may cause. And even if it did, I'd still do it. Engine is just one of the wear items, which serve to provide me fun. If it wares out I will replace it. How many engines have you broken? None. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellowgold Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Everyone should be engine braking, I can't imagine not doing it. +1. Not sure it's ever occurred to me to not use engine braking? Who just holds the clutch in when they're slowing down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Everyone should be engine braking, I can't imagine not doing it. +1. Not sure it's ever occurred to me to not use engine braking? Who just holds the clutch in when they're slowing down? The comparison is using the brakes vs. engine braking. It is good for you to bring up "coasting" as a point of reference. You are right in that one should not coast but should always be in a gear and an RPM range appropriate for accelerating due to the unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer slo1 Posted April 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 13, 2016 Everyone should be engine braking, I can't imagine not doing it. It's a tool in the box, But.... You can't modulate the braking force as much with the throttle as you can with the brake lever. Engine braking also has less effect on chassis geometry than the brakes do, if you are into tip in feel and stuff like that.....Great when it's a lazy pace road with smooth transition curves and good visibility, just roll off and on. Toss in some 20mph turns, or blind ones, on a 40-50 mph curvy road and it's time for brakes imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rice Posted April 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 13, 2016 I engine break a lot in the twisties. Not so much while riding relaxed and commuting. Not aware of any issues engine breaking may cause. And even if it did, I'd still do it. Engine is just one of the wear items, which serve to provide me fun. If it wares out I will replace it. How many engines have you broken? None so far Try as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateRiderBen Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I engine brake in all conditions on all bikes, always have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer zupatun Posted April 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 13, 2016 Modulating engine braking is done primarily with the clutch...a good trackda school or class can give folks a great chance to practice...I learned from Jason Pridmore at his Star School, he gave Nicky Hayden a few pointers also...watch Nicky's clutch hand in some videos...shows a lot. Matt Everyone should be engine braking, I can't imagine not doing it. It's a tool in the box, But.... You can't modulate the braking force as much with the throttle as you can with the brake lever. Engine braking also has less effect on chassis geometry than the brakes do, if you are into tip in feel and stuff like that.....Great when it's a lazy pace road with smooth transition curves and good visibility, just roll off and on. Toss in some 20mph turns, or blind ones, on a 40-50 mph curvy road and it's time for brakes imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Fz6wja Posted April 13, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 13, 2016 Honda recommends it (on downhills) straight out the owners manual: What can I say I was bored at work one night and read through the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Forbes Posted April 17, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted April 17, 2016 As HighSideNZ says...it's a natural part of riding. It'll become second nature! I've been out of bikes for awhile, but remember friends of my sister's bought first Ninja 900.. accelerated heavily then tapped off and bent the crank. Think they'd only had the bike a month...costly. Sent from my HTC_PN071 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhINO Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Just one tip of advise, even though I'm a very fresh motorcyclist. If you're motor braking in "regular traffic", put a finger on the brake hadle so the brake light lights up, otherwise you might get someone hitting you from behind. /R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted September 18, 2016 Member Contributer Share Posted September 18, 2016 Being smooth out in the bendy bits requires a rider to establish a brake less pace... that means to adjust corner entrance speed with throttle alone... if a rider doesn't learn to judge the speed of the corner with throttle alone they'll never learn by adding brakes... brakes make cornering a lot more complicated than it is... so keep it simple... just roll off and roll on... and once you start rolling it on keep it on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFR4Lee Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Anytime the throttle is less than neutral, you are getting some engine braking. Bikes get more than cars. I'm thinking twins that rev get more than 4's. I am not considering 2 smokes. Roll on, roll off. The roller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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