Baileyrock Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 My brother sent me this link, Seems like pretty solid info. Something to read this Winter!!! 540 RAT – TECH FACTS, NOT MYTHS MOTOR OIL ENGINEERING TEST DATA https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/ Top Rated oils w/o additives added: ( This first one is Not recommended on any vehicle with a Cat ) 4. 5W30 Motul 300V Ester Core 4T Racing Oil, synthetic = 112,464 psiThis Motorcycle Road Racing oil is from France and comes in liter bottles (slightly more than a quart). At the time this oil was tested in spring 2014, it cost $24.25 per bottle. And with the shipping cost added to that, the final cost was about $33.00 per bottle (shipping was all inside the U.S.), making it THE most expensive motor oil I’ve ever tested. But, since this oil is in the INCREDIBLE wear protection category and is ranked number 1, for oils just as they come, right out of the bottle, with no aftermarket additives, you could say you at least get the best possible wear protection available, for that super high price. This is an extremely impressive motor oil just as it comes, right out of the bottle. So, no aftermarket additives should be used with this oil, because that would only reduce its capability overall.zinc = 1724 ppmphosphorus = 1547 ppmmoly = 481 ppmcalcium = 3141 ppmTBN = 7.4This oil contains sufficient amounts of the components required (detergent, acid neutralizer, etc) for normal change intervals in street driven vehicles. But, it has way too much zinc/phos for use in cat equipped vehicles. However, it is well suited for Race Cars, Street Hotrods and Classic cars. 7. 5W30 Oil Extreme Motor Oil, API SM synthetic (per the Oil Company, even though synthetic wording is not shown on the label) = 110,286 psi The Company claims this oil contains their proprietary formula of calcium petroleum sulfontate EP (Extreme Pressure) technology that is NOT found in any other motor oil. They also claim that it will provide 5 to 7 more HP, 7 to 10% better fuel mileage, cut engine wear in half, and will extend drain intervals two or three times safely. This oil is endorsed and promoted by Tech Author David Vizard. And he was so impressed by this oil’s performance that he also became a share holder in the Company. The results from the “Dynamic Wear Testing Under Load” performed here, fully supports their claim regarding wear protection. So, their hype about that, turned out to be absolutely true. And since this oil beat nearly every high zinc oil I’ve ever tested, it also proved another one of their claims, that using zinc as the primary anti-wear component, is outdated technology.zinc = 765 ppmphosphorus = 624 ppmmoly = 52 ppmcalcium = 7,652 ppmTBN = 23.2 10. 5W30 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 105,875 psi zinc = 801 ppmphosphorus = 842 ppmmoly = 112 ppmcalcium = 799 ppmTBN = 7.5 Looks like I'm staying with Mobil 1 5w30. BR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted March 5, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 5, 2015 Rotella T6 121st on the list of best oils. Not good. Here's you a quote : "BOTTOM LINE: Thinner oils are better for most engine lubrication needs." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted March 5, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 5, 2015 My favourite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted March 5, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 5, 2015 Looks like I am changing to Mobil also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer rangemaster Posted March 6, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 6, 2015 I'd like to see his test apparatus. I wonder when BLS-Larry will chime in. I have been running his M1 0-40 in my '97. STOS. (slicker'n owl snot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Belfry Posted March 6, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 6, 2015 BR--Don't you have to ban yourself now? Isn't one of the commandments: "Thou shalt not intentionally start an oil thread." As to oil, I'm in favour ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rush2112 Posted March 6, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 6, 2015 I'd like to see his test apparatus. I wonder when BLS-Larry will chime in. I have been running his M1 0-40 in my '97. STOS. (slicker'n owl snot) When will Larry chime in???? Heck... I read most of the article and it sounds like Larry wrote parts of it!!! They author and Larry are certainly in agreement on topics of oil flow, lubrication, and internal engine component temperature as it relates to oil flow and viscosity... the author, along with actually testing the oils, also carries the following credentials: Mechanical Engineer U.S. Patent Holder (Mechanical Device for Military Jet Aircraft) Member SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) Member ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud786 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 actually that motul is fine with a Cat as long as you don't burn oil. However the add pack is very strong, and more than likely is trying to get that 5w30 to hold up in a motorcycle, it definitely has a far better chance than those light weight car oils 5w30's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Q-Dawg Posted March 6, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 6, 2015 How about cold weather performance? I want to know what oil to run when it is so cold your snot freezes in your nose...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted March 6, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 6, 2015 What impress me was the Ford Motorcraft 5W50 Syn like for the Harley boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer jlrotax583 Posted March 6, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 6, 2015 121. 5W40 SHELL ROTELLA T6 Diesel Oil, synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4, SM, SL = 67,804 psizinc = TBDphos = TBDmoly = TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rush2112 Posted March 6, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 6, 2015 121. 5W40 SHELL ROTELLA T6 Diesel Oil, synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4, SM, SL = 67,804 psi zinc = TBD phos = TBD moly = TBD Article Quote: "The poor wear protection performance of all but the one particular top ranked Diesel oil, makes it very clear that in general, Diesel oils are a poor choice for High Performance gas engines." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted March 7, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 7, 2015 Rotella T6 121st on the list of best oils. Not good. Here's you a quote : "BOTTOM LINE: Thinner oils are better for most engine lubrication needs." The only good thing for me is I always change my oil between 1500-2000 miles so even tho Rotella T6 was 121 I changed it early . The new bike has T6 in it now because I just changed it 5 days before Kevin post this thread so back to Mobil 5W30 Syn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rush2112 Posted March 7, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 7, 2015 I had just picked up a case of M1 5w30 based on Larry's feedback and this gentleman's test results strengthen that argument and really eases my mind... I almost want to drain the T6 without running and warming it up first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud786 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 You guys really ought to run a uoa, before sheeping on the 5w30 ban wagon. I think you'll be a little shocked. I know BLS has not for any useable runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Rush2112 Posted March 7, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 7, 2015 I stress my engine every time I ride... the engineer did oil wear stress tests on 151 types of oil and M1 5w30 is in the top ten and available almost everywhere. I've been using 5wXX oil for a decade for the same reason Larry and the blog author state and I agree with the logic & physics it is based on. The oil I'm currently using ranked #121. I'm a scientist by training and pride myself on intelligent decision making based on the best available data... that is not a sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud786 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Ive seen the results of larry's , wasn't too impressed, compared to known better results. Im just saying better to get real results , generated from your motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baileyrock Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 I think there is some damn good data here, use it as you wish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted March 8, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 8, 2015 Thanks Bailey... I love oil threads and that author too... it's like I found a brother... have you sent a sample of your oil off to Blackstone Labs??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted March 8, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 8, 2015 I know BLS has not for any useable runs. I decided to test whether a motorcycle specific oil produced better numbers than a Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO)... Selected were Asmoil MCT 10w30 and Mobil 1 AFE 0w30... granted the miles are low but they are miles not in moderation either more like tracks speeds which simulates the distant my customers cover in a year of racing or track days... my customers are usually consummate riders with enough spare cash to afford to own any exotic homologated racer they desire from the Golden Years of World Superbikes or a Desmosedici... .. You can see the wear and shear slightly favored the M1 but was up to them whether they want to spend $64.75 OCI @ $12.95 qt for Amsoil or $27 OCI @ $5.40 qt Mobil 1... Mobil 0w30 Amsoil 10w30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted March 8, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 8, 2015 I think there is some damn good data here, use it as you wish! Adding to that sentiment here is a good explanation how oils are graded... [video:youtube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer BusyLittleShop Posted March 8, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 8, 2015 How about cold weather performance? I want to know what oil to run when it is so cold your snot freezes in your nose...... API ranks the first number and the letter W from the newest to the oldest on its ability to lube your engine during critical start up... Watch the Amsoil video in my post for details... 0w 5W 10W 15W 20W If you wish to employ the latest in cold start technology then you want an one with an API rank of 0W... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud786 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Run a real oil and drop that metal count 70% actually I cant guarantee the full drop without the leaded Fuel diet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baileyrock Posted March 9, 2015 Author Share Posted March 9, 2015 I think there is some damn good data here, use it as you wish! Adding to that sentiment here is a good explanation how oils are graded... I LIKE MOVIES, THX LARRY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted March 9, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted March 9, 2015 I think there is some damn good data here, use it as you wish! Adding to that sentiment here is a good explanation how oils are graded... I LIKE MOVIES, THX LARRY. And popcorn !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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