SmokinRZ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Hello, I got the bike a few months back and it came with a Sergent seat and the bolts for the tail faring missing. I also got a small plastic bag from Sergent with some mounting pins and the upper bolts/bungee mounts in the bag. I went to put the bolts in and there are no threads in the tube that is welded across the top of the subframe. I looked at the parts fiche on-line and it looks like the bolts go right in. There are also some spacers in there that I am missing. Can someone tell me what is going on? What re the pins from Sergent for? Does this have something to do with the solo cowl which I am missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC24 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I went to put the bolts in and there are no threads in the tube that is welded across the top of the subframe. there should be. The previous owner do something to strip them clean? Sounds like you'll need a helicoil kit I'm afraid. take a better look at those tube ends with a flashlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer vfrcapn Posted January 4, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 4, 2015 Are these the push-in quick release pins from Sargent? They sold those to replace the original screw in bolts for the seat cowl. Bad news is to use them you had to drill out the threads of the cross bar. Not a very good design but sounds like that's what a PO did. Link: http://www.sargentcycle.com/Seats-Accessories/Sargent-Fast-Access-Pins/ Designed to replace any 6mm fastener (with a 10mm cap head) where torque is not specified, FAST ACCESS Quick Release Pins install quickly and permanently (drilling required). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer KevCarver Posted January 4, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 4, 2015 What Capn said. The pins are designed to be used with the cowl and Sargent 2 piece seat. With the rear portion removed, the cowl makes a large storage space and the pins allow easy tool-less access. You can use them as you would the regular bolts. By spacers, can I assume you mean the plastic bits that fill the gap where the cowl tabs fit? You can do without, but OCD may force you to get them. There is a rubber filler piece for the rear slot, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer vfrAustin Posted January 5, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 5, 2015 And that is why anyone who owns a motorcycle should regularly read this site. Bravo men! Kinda scary, really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC24 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Holes were drilled for the seat? What a terrible design. Some aftermarket luggage racks require those threads if you chose to go that route. A stock seat with an Airhawk pad is more comfortable anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veefer800Canuck Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 You don't have to drill anything for a Sargent seat. Only for the quick release pins, if you purchase them separately. They allow the solo cowl to be taken off without tools. I have run my Sargent seat for years using the stock frankenbolts. No issues. I need the threads because my Ventura rack secures there using those threads in the tubes for the frankenbolts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer MaxSwell Posted January 5, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 5, 2015 Part number 13 in this fiche is the "frankenbolt": http://www.powersportscompany.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=4747662&category=Motorcycles&make=Honda&year=2001&fveh=204645 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Mohawk Posted January 5, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 5, 2015 If the thread is gone, just go to your local harware type store & buy a couple of feet of M5 threaded rod. get a couple of nyloc nuts for the same & pass it throught the cross tube. cut to length & use the nuts to secure your rack ends. Job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinRZ Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Thanks everyone. Mystery solved. I used a flashlight to confirm that I'm threadless. I didn't get the seat cowl so that explains why the pins are in a bag and not on the bike. Is part number 2 the plastic spacer? I hope to find a seat cowl and I'm not sure I trust those pins. I may try to tap some threads in the tube ends and run an oversized cap screw. That would probably look cleaner than the frankenbolt anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowJP88 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I bought this on eBay to replace them http://www.ebay.ca/itm/271133365227?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D271133365227%26_rdc%3D1 Haven't received then yet but I suppose they'll be better looking then the frankenbolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer KevCarver Posted January 6, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 6, 2015 I've been using the pins for nearly a decade now with no issues. Lost a frankenbolt before I got the pins. YMMV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinRZ Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 I've been using the pins for nearly a decade now with no issues. Lost a frankenbolt before I got the pins. YMMV... I might give them a try, nothing to lose. I'm still confused on how they stay on. Is it simply the pressure of the little balls recessed in the pin? My bike is over in my brothers garage so I can't have a look at the moment. Also, do you use the plastic spacers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wera803 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 My GF's 2000 came with the pins and she has been using them without any issue for the past few years. Last year I took some safety wire and clear plastic tubing and made lanyards for them. Since they are so easy to take off..........and not cheap to replace, I didn't want them to come up missing while parked at a hotel over night or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer KevCarver Posted January 6, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 6, 2015 I'm not as fancy as that guy, so I just used an old ear plugs tether to secure them. Still not 100% clear on the spacers. If you mean the plastic bits that fill the cowl mounts, then yes. I guess there's a ridge behind the drilled out threads that the detent balls in the pin grab onto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer sa1713 Posted January 6, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 6, 2015 I have these and they work perfectly. http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/67469-my-newly-fabricated-quick-release-frankenbolts/?hl=%2Bquick+%2Brelease No drilling of the threads and very secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinRZ Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'm not as fancy as that guy, so I just used an old ear plugs tether to secure them. Still not 100% clear on the spacers. If you mean the plastic bits that fill the cowl mounts, then yes. I guess there's a ridge behind the drilled out threads that the detent balls in the pin grab onto. I'm looking at the exploded view link provided by Max Swell and there looks to be spacers that slide in the slot on the top of the tail section above the bolt holes. I could be looking at this wrong but I think I need to order those. I have these and they work perfectly. http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/67469-my-newly-fabricated-quick-release-frankenbolts/?hl=%2Bquick+%2Brelease No drilling of the threads and very secure. Those look nicer than the Sargent pins. Since mine are drilled out i would probably need 6mm diameter. I will put the calipers on the Sargent pins to see what size they are. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer KevCarver Posted January 7, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 7, 2015 If you're buying stuff, buy #2 (x2) and #18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer MBrane Posted January 8, 2015 Member Contributer Share Posted January 8, 2015 Part #2 is indeed a spacer, and if you leave them out you will crack your tail around the bolt holes. They are designed to take up the slack between the plastic, and the mount when you're not using the seat cowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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