Bad Boy Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I have been working on repairing my 6 gen. left hard bag after 60 mph low side. Broken arm is healing up. Leather saved my skin. The bike is completely repaired except for this hard bag. I have been working on this for a while and making good progress so far. I welded the ABS cracks with soldering iron and filled in the lost plastic with ABS cement. Layer upon layer and sanded smooth until the shape is filled in. A little bondo to fill in the small imperfections and sanded smooth. Then masked off about 1/3 the bag and sprayed with Color Rite Primer and sanded smooth with 400 grit. I was able to touch up my '02 fairing 4"x12" with Color Rite "Italian Red" and clear coat using an air brush. Turned out well. Now red and clear paint for the hard bag. I am artistic but very little spray painting experience, figuring this out as I go. Do I prime and paint the whole bag with my miniature air brush or do I try to blend the new paint with the old. I only have about 1 oz of red which I will thin with 1 oz reducer. Almost 2 oz of clear coat left. I may need more paint. Won't be perfect but better than it was. I find this red very difficult to work with. Any advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer MBrane Posted July 23, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted July 23, 2014 Given the size of the repair I would shoot the whole thing, but red is notoriously hard to match. I wouldn't attempt it with an airbrush unless you like to sand. Might be worth it to have a local shop do the final coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I would (and have) ripped the whole bag down to repair/re-shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer IntAceptor Posted July 23, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted July 23, 2014 Dupli-Color GM 398 was pretty much an exact match out of a rattle can but when you buffed it, the color went to more of an orange. I doubt you can find 398 anymore in that it was around about 7-8 years ago but if you do and can get it on smooth, it may work if there are no other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Ultimatevfr Posted July 23, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted July 23, 2014 I agree with Seb for that size of repair you are better served to spray the entire side( appears the back is black). Ask around the car dealerships (high end models)for a mobile painter that services them , matching color is a way of life for us. I have a complete mixing system on my truck, and routinely mix to match at least four to five times a day, yours would be a piece of cake . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Any advice? DSCN4331.JPG do I try to blend the new paint with the old. Italian Red is a lot easier to blend than Candy Glory Red I can tell you that much but you will spend a lot more effort trying to make it perfect than painting the whole thing. Usually it is easier to blend when you have a bigger area to work with. If you mask off the areas of the original paint, there will always be a thick visible line you will have to aggrassively buff and at the end it will slightly show. Take the whole thing apart like Seb has shown you and paint the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Boy Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Thanks all for all the advice. I am sure you guys are right painting the whole bag will give the best results. The bags are 12 years old and well used. Painting both of them would make good sense too since the other one is scratched up. Cost will be a big factor. I have enough Color Rite paint left over from a previous fairing repair to paint the damaged area only so cost of material will be 0. Quality will not be great but an improvement. I may sell the bike and bags next spring so that is a factor. How much would be reasonable cost for new paint and have it sprayed? How much paint and clear coat would it take for each bag? Afraid cost of painting may be close to what the old bags are worth. David Silvers sells new bag sets for $495. Painted mine would be worth half that. Still not decided if I want to spend the money to do this right. Buying new $495 bags and selling the old ones on CL may make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 You will spend up to around $200 to have those painted for you. Red is not cheap. If you know you will be selling, then do your prep and just shoot them with black rattle can paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 If it were me, I'd just buy the aerosol paint from color-rite and spray the whole side. i just bought one of their tri-pack aerosol kits off of amazon for my RC51 that has 3 cans, undercoat color, red, clearcoat. The package was only $70 or so. More than enough paint for one bag lid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer dalesvfr Posted July 24, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted July 24, 2014 You could paint them black and put a GIVI logo on them. I bought a used red Shad topcase for my wife's green bike. I hit the colored top with Rustoleum peelable black rubber wheel coating. It looks good, is reversible and didn't cost much. Not saying you should do that but if you're gonna buy new bags to go with the bike when you sell anyway just do a down and dirty cheap paint job on what you have now that you can live with. That way if you sell your present bags you won't limit the possible buyer to a red bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer dr.toto Posted July 24, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted July 24, 2014 Another option is to take an undamaged bag to a PPG dealer and let them shoot it with the color match gun. They will be able to possibly do a formulation match to an available color. I did that years ago on my 99 and that's what my bags are painted with. As far as spotting in, absolutely not. You have way too many things to try and fix. That bag is small and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEBSPEED Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 The PPG paint formulas to mix R-157 Italian Red and R-258 Winning Red have been posted here on the forum. I have mixed both. Search the forum for "psa". R-258 runs about $108/pint but can be mixed in much smaller quantities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Boy Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 After reading the responses here I think I should prime paint all of both bags. I may try to sell them that way, ready to paint. If they don't sell I will paint both R157 red later. Options are: I can buy 2 each of Color Rite R157 red and clear coat in 11 oz aerosol cans for about $120 which should do both bags. I can get PPG paint mixed up locally and put into aerosol cans. I can take to a shop and have it professionally done. Most cost, best results. If I go the professional shop route could they add hardener to the paint to make it more durable? Which I could not do with aerosol cans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Switchblade Posted July 26, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted July 26, 2014 That bag has Dragon all over it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Another option is to find a shop and have them vinyl carbon fiber wrapped. I just threw some on my Givi bags to hide some of the scuffage and it looks pretty good. You will need a pro to do the bags and get around the corners prefectly, unless you like wasting money practicing. I was able to do the roof of my Corvette, the Halo behind the roof, the A-pillars and the door stills and have enough left over to tackle the Givi cases. A small 80" x 60" roll is under 30.00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Boy Posted August 18, 2014 Author Share Posted August 18, 2014 OK, so I have both bags now sanded and primed. Ready to paint. I could sell them that way. If I paint them I would order Italian Red and clear in rattle cans. Would one can of red and one of clear do both lids? If I have them professional sprayed should a hardener be added to the paint for durability? Would this be big advantage over rattles cans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer gmtech94 Posted August 18, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 18, 2014 Adding hardner to paint makes it more durable but also adds to the cost . The colour R157 is a mid 60's gm formula that matches very well most paint shops should be able to mix it with the info from this site ,as far as spraying it maybe find a body shop locally that will paint them as a side job . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer dalesvfr Posted August 21, 2014 Member Contributer Share Posted August 21, 2014 "Would one can of red and one of clear do both lids?" Depends on if you used grey primer as your first photo showed. It will take more to cover that than red primer obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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