V4 Rosso Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 How to do the motorcycle lay down I am not surprised to hear that riders are 51 times more likely to get killed than cagers, video's like this will only help increase that figure. Question for the MC police officers on here: do they really teach you how to lay the bike down in case of an emergancy? And if so, what kind of emergency would that be? From the pics I've seen MC PO's do not wear protective clothing so laying it down sounds like no option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer YoshiHNS Posted December 29, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 29, 2011 I like how in the CG part, they showed the motorcycle steering the wrong way. I can't really think of a good time to lay the bike down. You're probably better off trying to slow yourself down as much as possible before impact instead of just tossing the bike and hoping you don't slam into whatever you were fixated on too hard. I think years ago they taught how to lay the bike down when you were getting your license or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworth Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 This can only work if you are on dirt and going under 30 mph, and you know there's going to be a hay bale dropped in front of you. It has nothing to do with riding on pavement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer adamf18 Posted December 29, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 29, 2011 I'm an MSF rider coach and this is the last thing you want to do. The whole is to avoid this by swerving or braking properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 All things being equal(knowing you can't stop/go around), and you're heading for a tanker(semi trailer) that's going to be in front of you at impact(and ducking won't get you low enough to go under) so if you try to stop only, you're going to hit the tank which will stop you and not the bike(much), and the round angle is going to push you down on the bike that's still going under. Plus if you did get a soft stop, then the trailer wheels will roll over you. so I would probably go for the slide and hope I go all the way past the tanker. This is going to be hard to do, because I don't practice slides, and to make it worse "I do practice fast stops". I use the front*3/rear/clutch for power stops.... and for normal riding, I use the front brake 1 to 2 *fingers...........Rear & clutch only for slow parking lot stuff(and dirt bike leans/head turns). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoothillRyder Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I happened to catch that particular scene - and the show (Stuntbusters) was instantly off of my 'watch' list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer slo1 Posted December 30, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 30, 2011 That has got to be one of the stupidest most irresponsible things I have ever seen. The rider ends up past where the hay bale was, so he would have hit the truck/car/whatever. Sliding bikes loose speed wayyy less that one with the brakes applied. A guy asked "What should I do if a car pulls out and I know I can't stop/swerve/etc", my answer "how fast do you want to be going when you hit it ?" Even the cops quit teaching how to "Lay it down" a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 As soon as the racing season is over -- lots of times before --Speed is just a waste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Muff Posted December 30, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 30, 2011 Damn. I wish I had read the rest of the post before I went out and practiced laying it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthshake Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Screw that layin' it down, I just drink a Red Bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 2thdr Posted December 30, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 30, 2011 Pu$$ies! I lay my bike down at least once evey outing whether I need to or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer mello dude Posted December 30, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 30, 2011 That has got to be one of the stupidest most irresponsible things I have ever seen. Ditto - so now the newbie rider gets the impression that laying it down is more important than building riding skills. Idiots! - A big fickle finger of fate to Speed channel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Ryanme17 Posted December 30, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 30, 2011 Just ridiculous. The very idea that hard parts sliding will stop you faster than rubber tires never made sense to me. I suppose if you were going to slide UNDER the semi-truck, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer hondalover Posted December 30, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 30, 2011 Remember the name of the show, "Stuntbusters". If you have watched the show in the past, you would have seen other things that you wouldn't try at home. Like driving your SUV through a strech limo, how to flip a car, etc. The show isn't on DIY network, it's how Hollywood gets the stunts done for movie. Take it for what it was intended, only entertainment, not instruction. Although I do admit, the technique hasn't been in any motorcycle safety curriculum for a long time, which they do state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4 Rosso Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 which they do state. She doesn't speak in the past tense when she says: "The laydown is typicaly being tought in MC safete and police training classes" Although the purpose of this video is entertainment, there is no point in giving false information. Nitro Circus is also for entertainment but those guys are riders and will never tell you that laying it down is the quickest way to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer hondalover Posted December 30, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 30, 2011 I'm agreeing with you, that this is incorrect information. I didn't state it clearly, that they misguided viewers on that fact. And I'm willing to bet the producers didn't give that false information out intentionally. They just didn't do their homework properly. Which is exactly my point. Nothing on that TV show should be attempted by the regular viewer, regardless of the 'mis'-information that they provide. I know you won't be catching me trying to jump from the hood of one car to the hood of another, and then into the back of a truck; all while wearing skin-tight clothes and high-heels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Dutchy Posted December 30, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 30, 2011 That video does have a feature I would lay........................ and it ain't a motorcycle...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4 Rosso Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 I know you won't be catching me trying to jump from the hood of one car to the hood of another, and then into the back of a truck; all while wearing skin-tight clothes and high-heels. If you ever change your mind, make sure you have someone catching it on video and post it on VFRD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Duc2V4 Posted December 30, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 30, 2011 I didn't notice if they showed the "Do Not Try This At Home" text across the screen (don't care to watch it again). I've even seen some car commercials flash this up once in a while. I have mixed feelings on this, on the one hand, yes it's a show about stunting and on the other they are telling people this is a method taught in MC courses and Police training is a little misleading. It could give young unsupervised riders the wrong impression! Personally anything I see on TV and/or in the Movies I take as pure entertainment, unless it is a documentary or a historical program. Even the reality TV shows out there to me is just entertainment. Apart from the Police and Military reality shows once in a while, (Alaska State Troopers, Surviving the Cut, Border Wars, etc.) I usually stay away from reality TV. I've been so busy lately, I haven't watched much TV in quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDO-VFR Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I've read an article where they measured the emergency stopping distances of a motorcycle with various braking methods, as in 'front brakes only', 'rear brakes only', 'both brakes', 'laying it down', ABS, etc. BELIEVE IT OR NOT...stopping distance (of the rider) while "laying it down" was slightly shorter than using 'rear brake only', when the rider was wearing jeans. So of course ALL of you (I hope) are saying "who the hell would use rear brake only in an emergency stop". Well incredibly, there is a significant percentage of cruiser riders that NEVER use the front brake. Try to imagine a raked out custom with a skinny little front tire and brake drum, not a whole lot of stable braking potential there! Given that fact, I see where the 'lay it down' act of desperation comes from. I have first hand experience of the 'rear brake only' syndrome, having seen a group of cruisers go wide and hit the guard rails with long black skid lines as they all locked up their rear wheels. Ever since my first touring pedal bike that had front brakes (grew up mostly on the 1-speed foot brake type) the rear brake has been relegated to a 'use only on slippery surfaces' device. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorman Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I thought this dates back to when bikes didn't have brakes other than drums front and back and the only effective way to slooow down was on it's side. Tires didn't work too good either back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer 5thGenJim Posted December 31, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 31, 2011 That video does have a feature I would lay........................ and it ain't a motorcycle...... Only if I could duct tape her yapper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VietHorse Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Can't find any video about how to have a safe lay-down technic with sport bikes. Anyone knows? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Contributer Chuckster Posted December 31, 2011 Member Contributer Share Posted December 31, 2011 Can't find any video about how to have a safe lay-down technic with sport bikes. Anyone knows? Thanks. Seems like from what I'm reading that it's not what most people would recommend. May be why you are having a hard time finding one. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VietHorse Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 So the best recommendation is ride with full gears and try to never get down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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