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Chain Oiler Update


elizilla

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Last spring I wrote about installing three different chain oilers and that I planned to compare them. Here are my results so far.

I have not had to lube a chain all summer. I have not had to clean a chain all summer. I have not had to adjust a chain all summer. Yet my chains all look clean and new. This is awesome and I am very happy about it. However, all three chain oilers drip on my garage floor. I have developed the habit of pushing a piece of cardboard under the chain, each time I park a bike in my garage. I feel this is manageable and beats the heck out of constantly having to fiddle with chains at gas stops.

Hawke Oiler

The Hawke Oiler is out of the running, because the V-Strom is gone. I only put about 500 miles on with the Hawke Oiler, before I sold the bike. This bike spent half the summer sidelined due to unrelated problems (water pump seal). During this time it marked my garage floor more than either of the other oilers. It never stopped leaking no matter how long the bike stayed parked, and it wasn't just a few drops - it was a puddle. I think the reason it never stops dripping, is because the aquarium tubing it uses has too large an inner diameter. I've been told by other Hawke Oiler users that the manufacturer will provide some sort of choke to put in the line, to stop this from happening. So I wrote to them and asked for this. I never got a reply.I am also not convinced that manually managing an oiler by pushing a button is the best plan. I am liking the "set it and forget it" aspect of the other oilers; automatic chain oilers should be automatic, IMHO! But it works fine once you push the button, the oil goes onto the chain, though the applicator is not as precise. I cannot confirm whether it would improve chain longevity since I stopped the trial so early, but I think it would help - the chain never dried out, which is the goal, right? If you prefer an oiler you manage manually, and you don't mind the mess, the Hawke Oiler is likely OK. But really, the ability to place the button somewhere easier to reach, is the only improvement it offers over a cheaper option such as the Loobman, or this home brewed oiler I found on the V-Strom forum. Or this one posted to VFRD by JETS.

ScottOiler

The ScottOiler, on the TDM, has now run for about 1500 miles, and run through about half a quart of ScottOil. The chain was already close to shot when I installed it, and I hoped the ScottOiler would keep it going a bit longer. But I quickly gave up on eking it out, and I replaced it about 900 miles ago. The ScottOiler has kept the new chain nicely wet and clean. It drips just one drop of oil on the floor every time I park the bike, so the mess is very slight. At one point I ran the reservoir down too low, and it turns out that when you do that, just refilling it is not enough - you have to bleed it. I ended up using the mityvac to pull oil through the applicator to get it started again. Note to self - add oil *before* it runs low. Apart from having to bleed it when it ran out, I like the ScottOiler, I think it works very well.

Pro-Oiler

The Pro-Oiler, on the 4th gen VFR, now has about 6000 miles. I have used less than half a quart of oil in this time. I installed a new chain and sprockets at the same time I installed the oiler. It uses a lot less oil than the ScottOiler, but it still marks spots on my garage floor. The spots are not nearly-clean oil dripping from the applicator, like they are on the other two oilers. The floor spots are thick, black, tarry sludge that drips from the end of the chain guard or the countershaft sprocket area. The Pro-Oiler seems to be getting every bit of cleaning ability from every drop of oil flung. I have turned the Pro-Oiler down, down, down, to deliver ever smaller amounts of oil. I've now got it set on table 21, level 1, when the recommended setting for clean dry weather is table 17, level 3. The chain continues to look perfectly clean and not at all dry, and I have not had to adjust it.

My big complaint may not have to do with the Pro-Oiler; I think it is a characteristic of the bike's geometry: Oil keeps getting on my tire. No matter how much I turn the oiler down, I keep having to clean oil off the tire, and I don't like this at all. I am considering filling the Pro-Oiler with ScottOil, since it would be easier to wash off. (Right now I am filling it with the same 10w40 synthetic I put in the engine.) I am also considering modifications to the chain guard, to try to change the way the oil flings. And I think that I might do well to swipe the spots where the tarry oil sludge collects, with a paper towel, at gas stops. Remember, the oil from these oilers is supposed to fling off and take the dirt with it - it's a total loss system. It's just not supposed to be deposited onto the tire! (Note: brake cleaner is the hot ticket for scrubbing oil off tires, much better than degreasers and soaps.)

The photo at the top of this post is a close-up of the VFR's chain, and the oil on the tire, at 6000 miles. I last cleaned the tire about 700 miles before taking this picture. I have never cleaned the chain, and I have not adjusted it since the day I installed it.

Conclusion

I like the dual applicators in both the ScottOiler and the Pro-Oiler. They deliver the oil precisely where it needs to be, instead of squirting too much and then counting on fling to carry it around. The Pro-Oiler's dual applicator is smaller and more elegant, but the ScottOiler dual applicator works just as well and you can order it separately. If I hadn't sold the V-Strom, I might have ordered up a ScottOiler dual applicator and retrofit it to my Hawke Oiler - I am sure it would have reduced the mess.The Pro-Oiler just barely nudges out the ScottOiler, as my current favorite, because it can be precisely tuned to use so much less oil, and because the parts are more elegant. The ScottOiler is a very close second. And I think the TDM is a better bike to run an oiler on, than the VFR, due to the issue with oil on the VFR's tires. I will post another update when I have put more miles on these remaining two oilers.

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I ran the pro-oiler on my Kaw 650R for about 18k miles. In that time I never had to adjust the chain nor clean it. I never had any dripping from it either nor did I get oil on the tire unless I was running it too rich. I've now put the pro-oiler on my VFR. A couple of days ago I notice some spots where the oil from the chain had dripped. Very black as you say you see and it was coming from near the front sprocket where the oil was being flung onto the cover. This means too much oil obviously. I was running schedule 18 setting 2. Today I changed to schedule 20 setting 3. I'll see how this works. The chain should never look wet, just clean. I don't see oil on the tire though. The pro-oiler is the best but I think the suggested settings are too rich.

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Swimmer, how many miles have you put on your VFR with the Pro-Oiler, so far? I'm curious to know how quickly you accumulated that oil on your tire. And I'll be interested to hear your results as you go, please do share!

Someone not on this forum asked me to elaborate on why I did not disqualify the Pro-Oiler because of the oil on the tire. I'm posting my response here, in case anyone else has this same question.

I don't think the Pro-Oiler is more likely than any other oilers, to put oil on the tire. I think that this problem is bike specific. The ScottOiler puts the oil on at exactly the same spot on the rear sprocket, and pushes four times as much oil through, yet no oil ends up on the TDM's tire. So if I was going to disqualify anything based on the oil on the tire, I think the thing to disqualify is the VFR.

If you look at the rear sprocket on the VFR, it is much closer in to the wheel. The TDM's rear tire is narrower and there's more space between the path of the chain, and the bike's tire. So the VFR's tire would be closer to the flight path of the flung oil.

I've noticed that when I ride in rain, the flung oil on the tire seems to rinse away or wear away somehow. I only see it on the tire when I've been riding in the dry. And I've gotten a few responses to my comparo, from other chain oiler users who report oil flung on their tires, who say that it hasn't hurt their traction any. You can see in the picture that the flung oil is not a thick coating. It's all those narrow streaks. It may be safe to ignore, but half the cornering ability I have comes from my own confidence in my tires, and having that oil on my tire reduces my confidence. So I don't intend to give up on fighting it yet.

The oil is supposed to fling - that's a feature, not a bug; it's what keeps the chain so clean. And I have to say that apart from the drips when the bikes are parked (easily managed by sliding a piece of cardboard under the sprocket when I park), the flung oil from all the chain oilers has been surprisingly low on mess. It's way easier to clean up, than the spray can chain lube, which is creates a tar-like coating that is very difficult to scrub off, and fills the countershaft sprocket compartment with a solid black mass that has to be shoveled out every 10K or so. My bikes look pleasingly clean since I installed the chain oilers, and it's not because I'm working harder to scrub them.

I like everything else about the oilers, so much, that I am going to keep trying to resolve that oil-on-tire issue. Here are my ideas:

1. Dial the amount of oil I'm feeding, down even further.

2. Modify the chain guard, make it slightly longer in the back, to catch a bit more of the fling before it can get out to the tire.

3. Add a step to my gas stop routine, of using the gas station paper towels to quickly swipe the areas where the most fling accumulates. Maybe the tire oil is not going directly from chain to tire, maybe it's getting there by way of some secondary accumulation point. And wiping the heavy fling spots regularly will probably reduce the amount that ends up on my garage floor, so this could be a good habit regardless.

4. Use the ScottOil or ATF in the Pro-Oiler, instead of 10w40 - maybe these other lubes are less inclined to stick to tires.

5. Ride the twisties more often, so I can scrape the oil off my tires before it accumulates enough to be scary. :-)

6. Ride in the rain more often. :-(

Can anyone think of anything else I should try?

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I like everything else about the oilers, so much, that I am going to keep trying to resolve that oil-on-tire issue. Here are my ideas:

1. Dial the amount of oil I'm feeding, down even further.

Can anyone think of anything else I should try?

eli,

I'm envious. Your chain looks very clean at the current setting compared to my first results. Here's my 4gen with the stock pro-oiler settings after an afternoon ride when I first installed it. The foamy bubble material is from a new tire install so disregard that.

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Due to many other circumstances including a highside wreck, I removed it to mess with it later. I'm hoping your settings will net me the same results when I re-install it. Shoot, I'd be happy with what you're concerned with! LOL Since my chain is not new like yours, I suspect that I'll have to endure the "cleansing process" of black fling for a while, huh?

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Swimmer, how many miles have you put on your VFR with the Pro-Oiler, so far? I'm curious to know how quickly you accumulated that oil on your tire. And I'll be interested to hear your results as you go, please do share!

elizilla, The only time I've gotten any significant oil on my tire was on my 650R when I had the setting rich and, to make matters worse. I was on a road trip which mean higher speeds so more frequent oiling. I've only had the pro-oiler installed on my vfr for about a month. Last weekend I washed off the built up oil around the front sprocket (where my dark oil drips were coming from) and put a setting of schedule 20/3 and am going to see how that works out. Even though I ride every day it may take another week to see how that is working out.

Other than some odd drop if you are getting streaks of oil on your tire you've got too much oil coming out. If you ride a lot on the highway it can be good to back off the flow as well since you are going to get more oil coming out due to more frequent triggers.

No way would I have another motorcycle without a pro-oiler - I just need to get this one tuned right for me and all will be well. At that point I'll probably replace the chain since I don't think the previous owner took good care of it.

PM me if you have any other questions as I might forget to check this post.

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So I've gone through about 2 tanks with the 20/3 setting on the pro-oiler. The side plates of the chain are pretty much dry but the o-rings and rollers still look a little wet. The chain seems a little loud but I think that is because the previous owner did not maintain well for the 8800 miles before I got it. I am definitely not getting any fling off onto the tire. This seems like a pretty good setting. If anything I might go up to 20/4 but I am going to leave it as is for a while.

I think if the VFR had a normal type of rear sprocket with a large face on it and not the little ridge that the nozzle has to sit on it would work better and more oil would get on the o-rings and less on the rollers.

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Nice write-up. While I still am not a fan of the "oilers," I enjoyed reading your thoughts. I am too skeptical and ponder if that oiler failed and the oil got dumped onto the rear tire---probably a bad day.

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E.,

I am seeing little threads of chain lube on the tire surface. Does this worry you??

Also, I am wondering why the sprocket bolts are so long. Maybe they would be different if you were running a stock sprocket. Looks like you could cut these down to the top of the nut and save a half pound of rotating weight.

My hat , helmet is off to your fastideous wrenching.

Cheers, . . .... . .

MikeC

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Jon, the oil has gotten dumped onto the rear tire, repeatedly. So whatever the problem is, it's not a one time deal.

MikeC, the oil on the tire surface does worry me. I've turned the oiler down even farther, and chain guard mods are on my list for this winter's projects. But even as it is now, it's less work to clean the tire periodically than it is to manually clean and lube the chain all the time. I'm hoping I can eventually get it perfectly fine tuned, to get the oil to stop going onto the tire.

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Call me. Happy to help, but time is what I have,...not so much $$$.

Signed-

Willing to HELP. LOL.

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FWIW, I am still running the 20/3 setting. Looked at my chain pretty closely this weekend as I had the rear wheel off to get a new tire mounted. The rollers and o-rings still look wet and the side plates dry. The chain guard still is getting some accumulation on it. The tire I pulled off did not have any signs of fling-off save for a few specs here and there.

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